Combat Medic Archive
Thread: Are CM 2 powerfull in PvP
Mild-Breeze-Trooper
Sat Nov 20, 2004 9:56 am
#40
Minirova wrote:
I think we're too powerful, i'm not even master and i can take out a master swordsman in about 2 minutes.
I see you are not even master since you haven't got all the prereqs for CM 
You need marksman xxx4 to even begin looking for novice CM.
You need marksman xxx4 to even begin looking for novice CM.I don't oppose balanceing Combat Medics, but frankly there is so much bulldret slung arround that it completely makes any reasoned debate impossible.
Obata
Sat Nov 20, 2004 11:18 am
#41
DKVoltar wrote:
with doctor resist buffs, aakuan shirt, some odd +10 resist from a skill tape, and a magical orb that you touch and gives you +100 poison resist for the rest of your character's life that i just made up right now:
1k still ticks 1k
Not true. Resist buff C's mitigate poison damage even if it does hit.
Shakaru
Sat Nov 20, 2004 12:58 pm
#42
"a cm needs a rifle that does any damage (something at 0 condition will do) and a button for burst run. that's all. disease also will work in the place of a weapon.
let's run the numbers on an exceptional t21. let's say 500-1000 to keep the math simple. still a lot more rare than a 1000 tick poison.
headshot3: and average of 1687.5
pvp damage reduction: 421
heavy armor piercing over player light armor: 657
85% energy resistant helmet: 98.
and that's with no shield or synthsteak...with those, let's look at that657 number again:
40% sheild: 394
40% synthsteak: 236
85% energy resistant helmet: 35.
'oh not fair' you say. let's try something else as idiotic as a 200-400 damage krayt ion rifle.
675 headshot
168 after pvp reduction
no difference in ap
100 with 40% stun helmet
or of course...
100 with 40% sheild
60 with 40% stun helmet.
but wait, nuh uh. headshot gets spammed!
correct which means that the rifleman attacker must stay in range to continue to do damage whereas the combat medic can (andalways does unless in a group that outnumbers you) run around and hid behind things (buildings, trees, rocks, faction hq's) and let his 3 individual and 3 area poisons (which all stack) and his 1 or more tick disease do it all for him.
now. say i'm a rifleman cm in pve...and i have one of these exceptional weapons that the cm forum seems to think runs from a faucet somewhere. my 2 combat profession (cm is NOT a combat profession according to thunderheart. it's medic profession for combat) can be used simultaneously. i cannot, in comparison, spam spitting rawl and strafeshot2 at the same time.
cm IS overpowered in general and is one of the biggest game breakers for most people. what it should be is what it is now without the poison/disease and with a lot of the doctor heals (states/poison/disease/fire) which would make more sense. but then the cm population would drop to about 10% of what it is now.
oh yeah, i forgot to mention. with the 1k tick poison:
with doctor resist buffs, aakuan shirt, some odd +10 resist from a skill tape, and a magical orb that you touch and gives you +100 poison resist for the rest of your character's life that i just made up right now:
1k still ticks 1k"
Your numbers are ludicrous. I hit people for 200-400 with a 467 Jawa with headshot3, every second. Only the very best pvpers have all of the damage mitigators that you mention.
Docs can make cures and resists that help mitigate the damage a CM can do. You have to understand that in order to maximize the damage tick you need to sink most if not all of your experimentation into that. That leaves the chance that your poison wont stick greater. And eventually those Venom enhanced poisons get used up while the Acklay Stun Baton or the Krayt T21 does not.
Now if the stick on the poison is 180, and you have a 175 resist buff with a +10 resist from a tape or shirt or something, the poison never sticks. So docs should be trying to get that resist number up as high as possible to either nagate the toss altogether or at least make CM crafters spend more experimentation points boosting the stick, which takes away from max damage.
Combat Medics are not medical professions, and they are not combat professions. They are whatever I feel to make it, and I'm getting sick of you and others telling me how to play the game I pay for. Its the one profession I get to do both, so back off.
skyhawkGR
Sun Nov 21, 2004 6:05 pm
#43
simple example: 8v8 with 2 jedi each group. What jedi go first? U said ranged? U won! 1 jedi comes for a rm/cm puts all states on u, u r so dizzy u fall down, 4-5 dervush and u r history. If your group dont protects u, u r dead as rm/cm. Keep it real, Group is evrything and Im not saying about 20 ppl gang squad vs 5. Im saying about even numbers. And if u are using rm/cm on killing tef noobs on ah yeah u r teh true pownagor. /salute. If u face a descent group with janta area cures and doc 4030 on some templates u r dead. Face a baton 400-600 with 4030 with your "exceptional" rifle without a descent fair group and u r dead meat. Simple like that melee gets ranged and ranged gets melee. With cooperation a group of 5-6 ppl can pown 15. I have seen it many times happen trust me.
End of cm ubah pownz all story
Lloyd_Banks
Mon Nov 22, 2004 10:03 am
#44
CM sux without help...
Im master doc/cm as it says in my sig...
Without a team i get owned im only good for heals and throwing poison as the rest of my group charge in and hit them with sticks 
ZandorFelok
Mon Nov 22, 2004 11:36 am
#45
Yes CM as well as ANY OTHER WEAPON/TOOL that does a DOT it to powerful for today's style pvp.... oh wait what am I talking about, thats all todays' pvp is.. Stack DoT's and lets see who dies first.
I would have to agree with a move by SOE to apply the same nerf to DoT's that they applied to our weapons damage. Something like 75% or so...
skyhawkGR
Mon Nov 22, 2004 2:30 pm
#46
better some ppl think about doc 4030 at least on their template, with some janta cures. Cms>stackers easily. So dont whine and think what is the best to stay alive in the battlefield
jball2k
Mon Nov 22, 2004 9:24 pm
#47
Shakaru wrote:
That level of tick indicates a poison crafted with good quality spider venom, a looted item dropped by the fire spider in the geno caves.
Consider a 1000+ tic an uber CM weapon. A uber weapon no more uber than any other uber looted dot VK, high damage Stun Baton using Acklay Bone, a high damage Krayt Jawa Rifle, etc.
CM poisons are weapons that bypass armor, toughness, mitigation, and foods. Not to mention it can be put on a non healable pool (unless you have a CM right next to you, yeah right)
I'm just glad to see a huge decrease of the CM population on my server. Not so many because everyone realized it's the most powerful profession in the game. It's no fun when you can't even use any specials, or when you get 1 shot killed or even tripple incapped by the poison/disease combo.
I don't think a VK, Acklay Baton, or Jawa Rifle can do the things that a Poison can do.
*cough* 80% kinetic armor kills TKA, Stun armor+PSG stops Stun *cough*
And 1k PvP damage? That's INSANE. I'm a Master Lightsaber, and I do about 600-800 damage to a non-stacker and that's when he's on his back!
If you don't think CM is overpowered, you must be high.
If I get a poison/disease on me from a zerging CM, I heal it (Forec Cures) then tripple incap his arse.
Message Edited by jball2k on 11-22-2004 08:38 PM
Shakaru
Tue Nov 23, 2004 2:28 am
#49
Your forgetting resists, cures and attachment modifiers that help mitigate CM damage. And the fact that if you hit me I die almost instantly since I have virtually zero defense mods.
jball2k wrote:
Shakaru wrote:
That level of tick indicates a poison crafted with good quality spider venom, a looted item dropped by the fire spider in the geno caves.
Consider a 1000+ tic an uber CM weapon. A uber weapon no more uber than any other uber looted dot VK, high damage Stun Baton using Acklay Bone, a high damage Krayt Jawa Rifle, etc.
CM poisons are weapons that bypass armor, toughness, mitigation, and foods. Not to mention it can be put on a non healable pool (unless you have a CM right next to you, yeah right)
I'm just glad to see a huge decrease of the CM population on my server. Not so many because everyone realized it's the most powerful profession in the game. It's no fun when you can't even use any specials, or when you get 1 shot killed or even tripple incapped by the poison/disease combo.
I don't think a VK, Acklay Baton, or Jawa Rifle can do the things that a Poison can do.
*cough* 80% kinetic armor kills TKA, Stun armor+PSG stops Stun *cough*
And 1k PvP damage? That's INSANE. I'm a Master Lightsaber, and I do about 600-800 damage to a non-stacker and that's when he's on his back!
If you don't think CM is overpowered, you must be high.
If I get a poison/disease on me from a zerging CM, I heal it (Forec Cures) then tripple incap his arse.
Message Edited by jball2k on 11-22-2004 08:38 PM
jball2k
Tue Nov 23, 2004 8:48 am
#50
Shakaru wrote:
Your forgetting resists, cures and attachment modifiers that help mitigate CM damage. And the fact that if you hit me I die almost instantly since I have virtually zero defense mods.
jball2k wrote:
Shakaru wrote:
That level of tick indicates a poison crafted with good quality spider venom, a looted item dropped by the fire spider in the geno caves.
Consider a 1000+ tic an uber CM weapon. A uber weapon no more uber than any other uber looted dot VK, high damage Stun Baton using Acklay Bone, a high damage Krayt Jawa Rifle, etc.
CM poisons are weapons that bypass armor, toughness, mitigation, and foods. Not to mention it can be put on a non healable pool (unless you have a CM right next to you, yeah right)
I'm just glad to see a huge decrease of the CM population on my server. Not so many because everyone realized it's the most powerful profession in the game. It's no fun when you can't even use any specials, or when you get 1 shot killed or even tripple incapped by the poison/disease combo.
I don't think a VK, Acklay Baton, or Jawa Rifle can do the things that a Poison can do.
*cough* 80% kinetic armor kills TKA, Stun armor+PSG stops Stun *cough*
And 1k PvP damage? That's INSANE. I'm a Master Lightsaber, and I do about 600-800 damage to a non-stacker and that's when he's on his back!
If you don't think CM is overpowered, you must be high.
If I get a poison/disease on me from a zerging CM, I heal it (Forec Cures) then tripple incap his arse.
Message Edited by jball2k on 11-22-2004 08:38 PM
have you ever used the poison/disease resist buffs?
I use them all the time. Still get poisoned 75% of the time. Even with my Jedi State Defense, the poisons/disease still come through.
No defenses? You don't need defenses. Just toss a few poisons and burst run away. Hell most CM's are Rifleman. Rifleman has the most defense of all the Ranged professions. And the ability to hit the mind every second.
The anti-poison and foods are also broken. They don't do anything at all.
I used to be a CM. I once took out a group of 7 Rebels just as they were getting off the shuttle in a Player City. They had a Doc with them. BAM, I toss 3 area poisons and a few diseases and spammed Strafe Shot while running away from the Rifleman of their own. I managed to get away, I came back to find 4 of them incapped from the poison/disease combo including their Doc. Run in a DB the 4 and had 2 of my grp members finish the near dead other Rebels.
That wasn't fun for me, and I know it wasn't fun for them. That was the day I realized that CM had totally ruined PvP on my server. (ruins it on every server) I dropped CM that day and never even dreamed of picking it back up.
No defenses huh? I used to Tank Canyon Krayts as a Rifleman/CM.
VTmoon
Tue Nov 23, 2004 10:02 am
#51
WTeeF? people still come complain about us? the 1100 tick sh1T is not normal, it's based on a looted component, it's like complaining about someone using a Krayt weapon or a rare looted weapon.
Shakaru
Tue Nov 23, 2004 9:19 pm
#52
If you use resists and you still get stuck 75% of the time, then your resists suck.
All you need to do is get the resist higher than the potency. If resist is 175 and pot is 174, most likely wont get stuck (there is always a 5% chance). If the resist is 175 and the pot is 245, youre going to get hit almost every time (there is always a 5% chance).
So instead of complaining that we are too uber, go troll the doc boards or better yet find a doc on your server that makes high quality resists.