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Thread: Dev Response to CM top 5 issue List

Trystan1969
Sun Jan 18, 2004 3:41 pm
#40






PadiOne wrote:

Here's my vote on the poison problem.


A. Scale back the dmg done in PvP in a similar (or even same manner as other dmg's).


B. Target should remain incap'd for the duration of the poison.


C.Combat Medics need to remember that we are required to have ranged support 4 for a reason. We are expected to carry a weapon. We are a support class. Poison is not suppose to be a main weapon but a complement to what others are doing.


Basically A and B are my proposed solutions. C is an attempt to stop the Wambulance from showing up after we get nerfed. Because we need a PvP nerf, same as the commando's do.







I disagree. I've been a Master Doc with other combat classes. Started out at release going for commando, later went doc, 2 weeks ago, decided to try out CM.


Quite frankly, if you're going to add any combat combo to an elite medic class, melee/doc is far better and more useful. The poisons I could make with basic components (no adv resources on Gorath in the last 2 weeks), I could easily outdamage with a bleed. Even taken into consideration that poisons tick every 10 seconds, while bleeds are every 20.


You say commandos need a nerf, they don't. Their flamedot is the only thing their class has. If you factor in the time it takes for it to tick, and the limited range, another class can easily outdamage it. I think the people that want to nerf commandos' damage just don't understand how messed up that class is. Only thing I could see is a better way of putting out the flamedot.


You think area poisons are good, at master fencer, I could sit in the middle of 8 mobs doing area attacks for a few hundred damage every second. Area poisons can't touch that.


Perhaps with some lucky resource spawns, you might be able to come up with decent poisons and diseases, but basing class damage/balance off of lucky resource spawns shouldn't be a consideration. Perhaps if they made the required resources spawn all the time, then a reworking of poison damage might be in order.


But really, CM doesn't compare to the damage an elite class can dish out. Even at Carbine IV, I could kill a small group faster than I could with a 450 dam poison. The best damage I've heard was around 1k, still could kill faster than that and alot cheaper.

pyclone
Mon Jan 19, 2004 2:20 am
#41

Why does fire still incap, and our dot got nerfed?


Fire ticks twice as fast and is typical as strong or stronger then poision, not to mention that there is a fire attack that can be used at full 64m range.


I'm not saying there shouldn't be a dot cap just apply it to all classes




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Tringard
Mon Jan 19, 2004 10:30 am
#42



Xytroncore wrote:


DeQuosaek wrote:


BuB64882 wrote:

I disagree Greeblesnort....Docs have REZ...far more useful in combat than any area/ranged stim. Their ability to cure states/poison/disease, oh AND BUFF make them the healers of choice in any group I've ever been in. CM is second choice for group healer in my experience.


Rez is nice, but area heals that can be used from a distance are the best possible heals in the game. I don't care if a doc can heal 1 person for 3000. He has to stand practically on top of him to do it. I can heal everyone in a 25m (or further) range for 1200 points each in one shot. That's way better than any doc.



Trying to get people close enough to even both with area stims is a joke, if you're lucky you may hit 4 people out of 25 potential targets because the area heals are so bugged it's not even funny...every little stick, crack in the ground, afk person/enemy seems to stop the area stim dead in it's tracks and not actually hit the people you want it to (even if they are in range and are in your LOS)




you need to organize the ppl you hunt with better....
yes i do understand and hate the bugs though



Tringard

Former MCM / Master Carbineer
Then, Ranger in training/TKM, medic
Now, unsure of myself
DeQuosaek
Mon Jan 19, 2004 1:29 pm
#43






Myhylinn wrote:

Even so a CM should be able to heal the state effects...


This would make a combat medic to a very useful supporting character in every raidgroup and even the multiperson-pvp-raids would be very amazing and would be last more then a few minutes...



But, that would make the Doctors less necessary. The reason we cannot heal states is because the doctors can. Groups should have both. You can't give one prfession more than another. Sure, it would make us great, but it would gimp doctors.




Some of my pet peeve bugs:
•Armorsmith protection layers were not converted with the CU.
•Ship Details window does not close when you click "Travel" resulting in the message "You have lost the target. Closing interface."

Xytroncore
Mon Jan 19, 2004 1:49 pm
#44






DeQuosaek wrote:





BuB64882 wrote:

I disagree Greeblesnort....Docs have REZ...far more useful in combat than any area/ranged stim. Their ability to cure states/poison/disease, oh AND BUFF make them the healers of choice in any groupI've ever been in. CM is second choice for group healer in my experience.




Rez is nice, but area heals that can be used from a distance are the best possible heals in the game. I don't care if a doc can heal 1 person for 3000. He has to stand practically on top of him to do it. I can heal everyone in a 25m (or further) range for 1200 points each in one shot. That's way better than any doc.





Trying to get people close enough to even both with area stims is a joke, if you're lucky you may hit 4 people out of 25 potential targets because the area heals are so bugged it's not even funny...every little stick, crack in the ground, afk person/enemy seems to stop the area stim dead in it's tracks and not actually hit the people you want it to (even if they are in range and are in your LOS)



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Xytroncore
Mon Jan 19, 2004 1:51 pm
#45

I'd love for us to get the area cure poisons/diseases and not the docs, we are the masters of area attacks/heals, not docs...even if they made it so that the area cures are half as powerful as single cures used by docs I think it would be a great perk for us. I mean our mind heal perk is pathetic, why not give us this so at least someone on the battlefield has an area cure.



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Djamonja
Mon Jan 19, 2004 3:46 pm
#46

Runesabre worked on UO back in the day (with Raph), and yes, he is a very good dev -- SWG is lucky to have him


He's been working SWG for a long time, but his posts these past couple days have been his first on these boards.

Xytroncore
Mon Jan 19, 2004 5:26 pm
#47






Tringard wrote:





Xytroncore wrote:





DeQuosaek wrote:





BuB64882 wrote:

I disagree Greeblesnort....Docs have REZ...far more useful in combat than any area/ranged stim. Their ability to cure states/poison/disease, oh AND BUFF make them the healers of choice in any group I've ever been in. CM is second choice for group healer in my experience.




Rez is nice, but area heals that can be used from a distance are the best possible heals in the game. I don't care if a doc can heal 1 person for 3000. He has to stand practically on top of him to do it. I can heal everyone in a 25m (or further) range for 1200 points each in one shot. That's way better than any doc.





Trying to get people close enough to even both with area stims is a joke, if you're lucky you may hit 4 people out of 25 potential targets because the area heals are so bugged it's not even funny...every little stick, crack in the ground, afk person/enemy seems to stop the area stim dead in it's tracks and not actually hit the people you want it to (even if they are in range and are in your LOS)






you need to organize the ppl you hunt with better....
yes i do understand and hate the bugs though




PvE may be easier to organize to get people together for area stims, but, there's no way in hell I'm asking my buddies to stay together in PvP, that would just be asking them to get poisoned. I rarely use area stims in PvP...waste of resources since you may only hit 2 people.



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Arconis_Runicblade
Mon Jan 19, 2004 11:44 pm
#48






vortexala wrote:
Not to be rude, but who the heck are you?




Runesabre
Lead Designer
Star Wars Galaxies



not like its says anything in his signature or anything!!!




Arconis Darkfyre
rLHitman
Tue Jan 20, 2004 5:31 am
#49

combat medics are a support class. get over the fact that you can't incap with poison anymore. If you had ranged/melee defense and other defenses, then you could be called a fighting class. That is one of the main reasons why you should be nerfed. A support class should NOT be as strong as you guys are. Why do combat medics get mind heal? Doesn't make sense. They can mind poison and disease, why not give doctors mind heal instead? Decrease poison/disease effectiveness, give docs mind heals and area poison/disease heals, or what I think would be best, GET RID OF MIND POISON AND DISEASE.



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Pahdbacca
Tue Jan 20, 2004 9:09 am
#50

Edit: Sorry, just getting tired of this kind of post.


I value almost everybody's opinions, but...I am pretty sure that in this case, the regular CMs that post in this forum are more interested in what the Devs think about the role of CMs.



Message Edited by Pahdbacca on 01-20-2004 11:26 AM



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vortexala
Tue Jan 20, 2004 11:56 am
#51



Arconis_Runicblade wrote:


vortexala wrote:
Not to be rude, but who the heck are you?

Runesabre
Lead Designer
Star Wars Galaxies

not like its says anything in his signature or anything!!!






Ok, maybe I should make myself clear for those who seem to not understand.

I have no idea who runesabre is as I have yet to see any welcome posts regarding this person. Yes, I CAN actually read that he is the Lead Designer but a title does not a person make.

So, in essence, I simply want to know who he is(letters to the community style).

Clear enough for you?



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Zarlor
Wed Jan 21, 2004 7:10 am
#52

Maybe Q likes you, Texxie, since he posted that they now have one of theseup for Runesabre.


http://starwarsgalaxies.station.sony.com/team_comments.jsp?id=60442&page=Team%20Comments






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