Combat Medic Archive
Thread: How is poison not griefing?
The Docs are prolly out gathering resources to sell stim Bs or running destroy missions to supplement the wonderous income they get from tipping in the medical center.
heh good one.
I know, i get tipped every single time ... sometimes people hand me stacks of organics, in lew of tips. I get so much Lok wheat i have to destory half of it 
Are you whining because we can kill things with poison?
last time i checked it was a COMBATmedic or a combatMEDIC any way you look at it we have some combat skills,and we will use them if pressed. If you see a CM run away if you dont want to be poisoned,or like others said,become a doctor,or better yet,try being one of us
"In the beginning (beta), if you got a bleed, you got NO grace period."
Yup and it sucked.
"They will sit at +1 HAM until the DOT wears off or someone kills them"
Which means they have to be hit once to be incapped for a DB. Doesn't take 50 or 10 minutes to do that. Also while at 1 point you can't use any specials so you are pretty much svrewed in PvP.
"now, you said "give me a 10 minute KD and see how much you complain". Well, CMs don't have a 10 minute KD. They have a poison that does a bunch of damage, and its not OUR fault your HAM bars are lacking. Seriously though, you can keep people down until you DB them. KD is extremely unfair because, even if I have HAM, I can't DO anything. At least with a poison it is more honest - you ran out of HAM, therefore you are incapped. KDs are irritating "I win" buttons."
Actully I almost never get a DB in unless I am solo :-( And frequenlty I never get the DB in solo because it is very often 3 on 1 so if I fdo get a KD in I still have to fight 2 others and by the time I get back to the first they are up and I am out of mind (cause KD is expensive on HAM). Note that is not a complaint - just saying, at least for me, it is not an I Win button.
I'd like to change that to a 10 minute dizzy though - then you can at least move around as I could but you don't really want to get into combat since you might fall down. That is a better comparison.
So give me a 10 minute dizzy and see how you like it.
In most cases of poisoning I have gone from full HAM to incap in a matter of seconds and then been DBed - I was "lucky" last night in that I got away without getting killed.
The end result was I was out of combat (or any other game play) for 50 minutes. The ,ost I have ever KD someone down for and not gotten a DB in is about 2 minutes. Essentially I had a 50 minute dizzy.
There is simply no justification for a 50 (or 10) minute "time out" for a player. I also agree that a 2 minute knock down is far too long - which is why I use it only against groups attackers (or CMs now).
In PvP you should be able to get the DB in within a minute - and if not move on/start over (with the fighting) like the rest of us. You can't seriously tell me that a player needs 50 (or 10) minutes to kill another player.
No I am whining because I did not die in the 50 minutes it took for the poison to wear off.
Learn to read (I am really sorry for that comment - but it is clear in the first post and all of my other posts) so if you won't take the time to read I'm not going to take the time to be polite.
0smspiff0 wrote:What part of curoicity don't you get?
The part where you attempted to move beyond your 3rd grade education and use 'big boy' words. You're busy telling people to learn to read: why don't you learn to write?
And go whine on your BH board. We've heard it all here before
ROFL you wanna know why the downtime. CUZ PPL LIKE YOU YELL NERF. so they added a delay timer to it. hahahahahahaha. see what you guys are doing, you yell nerf, we get nerfed, but it just makes it worse for you and we laugh in your faces!! HARHARHAR gotta love a whiner on out boards. see you sucka after patch
Dutchess of disease
my .02 credits,
I am sorry you got nailed for 50 min, but that is really not our fault. I tis the devs fault.
Is a 50 min poison party not fun? Hell ya, it sucks, but I could whine about KD followed by eye etc etc, all because I got a TEF for healing someone in med center. Instead I spent 50 min trying to get my HAM healed by going to cantina and med center then get the same thing over and over. Meanwhile I can not throw area stim, because of heals, I cant heal people I can heal, because of tefs and as a result, I dont make any tips.
I have to buy my ingreds to make stims, poison, etc because I can not keep scout, so I cannot harvest what I kill. SO in reality I have spent WEEKS checking my harvesters because of resource shifts trying to harvest the ingrediants. Up until I have to surrender Artisan, then I have to get someone else to survey for me. And then I run mission after mission to afford to buy animal meat, and not just any animal meat but specific meat.....
ButI could surrender artisan, and pick up scout so I could harvest meat, but then I got to run missions to afford to buy the inorganic and organics.............
its a catch 22, you lost 50 min because of poison, I have lost weeks trying to get the ingrediants to make that poison. end result, we are both pissed at what happened, but for different reasons. Your pissedbecause the CM you messed with, did jack you up and you spent 50 min trying to get it fixed.
He's pissed, because he has probably spent, and I am guessing here, a minimum of two weeks gathering the resources for the , what was it? ONE MINUTE OF PVP.
We are both getting ripped off
I am not seeing how you get a ten minute poison duration. Awhile back I did some testing with average poisoin (45 m, 450-500 damage, 90 potency). It only lasted a few minutes. I apologize but I don't have the exact numbers from the testing.
lets assume it was 3 ticks for an incap
8 incaps
24*8=192 seconds=3.2 minutes
8*5=40 minute grace period
8*1 (assumption 1 minute of incap time, it can vary)=8 minutes
3.2+40+8=51.2 minutes
This would fall in line with the testing that I did. The conclusion that I made was that an approx 3 minute poison was being stretched over a fifty minute period. If this is incorrect please let me know. Things may have changed since I last tested but at the time I was fairly confident I was right. However, if I am wrong please let me know. I probably should have posted these findings sooner and in hindsight I don't know why I didn't.
Ummm when did I evey yell nerf? I would be happy if it was NOT on a delay timer. Never asked for it to be put on a timer.
This was my first and only thread aboout poison (or CM in general).
If you consider 50 minutes of down time reasonable then yeah, you do need a nerf.
Which I have said repeatedly in this thread!
"I could whine about KD"
Which I have repeatedly said lasts far too long in this thread!
But hey you are dead after less than a minute - not close to an hour of down time.
"Instead I spent 50 min trying to get my HAM healed by going to cantina and med center then get the same thing over and over"
Go find a doctor. Oh wait that is what I was doing before the poison - I somehow logged in with 50% wounds to health (still no idea how that happened). Oh you don't like that advice? Then you can all stop offering it to me (directed at the thread in general not you specifically).
"Your pissed because the CM you messed with, did jack you up and you spent 50 min trying to get it fixed."
No actually I am pissed for two reasons:
- some designer actually thought 50 minutes of down time was a good idea
- people here seem to find 50 minutes of down time fine (apparently not everyone).
About to go log in an KD every CM I can find and and then torso shoot them for wounds. Enjoy.
"He's pissed, because he has probably spent, and I am guessing here, a minimum of two weeks gathering the resources for the , what was it? ONE MINUTE OF PVP."
More like 5 seconds. I don't think I even got a shot off at him (accidentally targeted his pet). I had no idea that it can take that long to get - seems that eveyone in Theed is tossing them like candy on my server (course this one was in Coronet - but usually he is in Theed).
"We are both getting ripped off"
Yup.
I beleive that the change to 10 minutes is on the Test Centre.
"3.2+40+8=51.2 minutes"
That is basically what I sat through last night (within a couple of minutes).
0smspiff0 wrote:
"There are som many ways out of the 50min poison session its not even funny. I think the grief here is that you couldnt figure any way out of your dilemma."
You guys (not just this post) are missing the point... re-read what I said. I decided to sit it out and see how long it took - out of curiocity.
I could have easily gotten DBed at any time - I could have even gone back to the person who poisened me (we were talking via /tells would not have been that hard to tell him my location and get him to finish the job).
A solution that involves puposly going out and getting DBed is not a real solution - it is a stupid idea.
There should be no attack that has a 50 minute durration (apparently dropping to 10).
For all of you who see no problem with an attack that lasts 50 minutes - what the hell?! I think that the times that I do a 2 minute KD is far too long.... a 50 minute attack? Get real. Even the 10 minute change is not really enough of a fix - give me a 10 minute KD and see how much you complain.
"This game will be destroyed by those who are too unimaginative to actually figure out how to play successfully. "
What part of curoicity don't you get?
Whjy do you need an attack that last 50 - or now 10 minutes? If you can't kill someone who has 1 point of mind in 10 minutes you need help.
So are you really just mad at your own stupidity for sitting there poisoned for so long? If you want to run experiments on how long stuff lasts then don't complain about it. The rest of us will either die of have someone take it away.