Combat Medic Archive

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bcasey03 wrote:

So are you really just mad at your own stupidity for sitting there poisoned for so long? If you want to run experiments on how long stuff lasts then don't complain about it. The rest of us will either die of have someone take it away.

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No, he has a valid issue. He was poisoned but not killed, looked for a doctor for a cure, but was unable to, and then since a significant time had passed decided to play out the experiment and see how long poison lasted.

He wasn't aware of the mechanics that artificially inflate poison duration, and he didn't realize this issue is being addressed (in a manner most CMs find unsatisfactory) on Test Center. I can understand everyone getting a little twitchy when their class gets pointed out for inbalance, but we don't need to go around calling people names for it. He isn't here saying poison does too much damage, he isn't here saying it shouldn't incap. His only problem is that it will (currently) last for far too long and keep a player out of the game.

Yes there are work arounds to "cure" poison if you can't find a doctor, but quick fixes and work arounds are exactly the problem most of us CMs have with the +1 HAM on DOTs change. We can't very well **edit** the devs on one side for going for the quick fix, and then encourage others to a work around when it suits our agenda better.

"So are you really just mad at your own stupidity for sitting there poisoned for so long? "

As I have said MANY times after the point whre I realised that there were truly no docs around I figured I would just see how long it would take.

The fact is that it took 50 minutes. Please explain to me how any attack should last for 50 minutes (player stupidity/curiosity aside).


"If you want to run experiments on how long stuff lasts then don't complain about it."

It didn't start out as an experiment... it turned into one.

So far solutions presented are:

- find a doctor - yeah tried that didn't work
- become a doctor - yeah great idea given I don't want to be a doctor and I spent 4
months
mastering what I do wnat to be.
- Go get DBed - kind of defeats the purpose of my running away from the CM in the first
place... and with the upcoming death penatlies then that istruly a grief (now if time
is lowered to 10 minutes then it isn't such a big deal - but again no other attack
comes close to lasting 10 minutes - bleeds might but anyone can heal those (in that
eveyone has enough points after mastering a profession to get FA 2)).

Here is something for you to think about - when I was poisoned the first time I figured it would last about 5 minutes total - that to me seemed like a fairly long time. After a few minutes I found a doctor and got cured. Add another 45 minutes to that - yeah that is an insane amount of time.


"have someone take it away"

Alright for those of you who clearly CANNOT read... I was looking for a Doctor for an hour before I was poisoned... I looked for a doctor for about another half hour after I was poisoned. There were no Doctors in the house.

Please tell me exactly who could take it away from me last night?


"either die"

With the upcoming death penalties then such a thing is truly a grief (by the devs not the players).

Necro

Take a good long hard look at the dates on those posts. They were from October. In October this was an issue, a very poorly handled issue and the reason why we have the +1 HAM cap today on poisons.

This was a thread pull out out from the dead for kicks it seems. Once they could no longer complain about the incap dance they still had to find something to complain about and evidently its our AE Poisons and the ability to target mind not that this is a CM unique ability, other classes have the ability to give mind bleeds, they're just easier to heal.

"So answer away - convince me this is not a grief."

You seem to have it in your mind that you were griefed, so conviencing you is impossible. Especially now that someone has explained the poison-pause timer that is currently in effect...

However, I'll give you a situation in which "griefing" is the only call to make...
I am currently a TK/CM, however I wear my "Guardsman" title most of the time so as to avoid attention and I rarely PvP. At one starport or another, it doesn't really matter where anymore, a person wearing his "Novice Marksman" title and an overt rebel was having a grand ol' time jumping Overt imps as they first spawned in the port. I, myself, am a covert rebel and have had this happen to me a number of times and I feel it is the one of the most despicable(sp?) things a PvPer can do. There's no sport in it and it proves nothing, only that the person or persons doing it are griefers in the truest sence of the term.

I asked the person to stop what he was doing and at least wait till they fully spawned and had a chance to react and was told a to go to hell. He then challenged me to a duel saying that if I could kill him, he'd stop. Ok, why not. I accepted and got hit with a bleed like I've only seen at Fort Tusken. Keep in mind that I am buffed here and my health and action are above 3k each. The person runs are starts tagging me from a distance while I pull out my pistol and tag him back. Fisrt tick of the action bleed is 2146 points of damage. Um... ouch! -> Stim D gets me near to full and a mind disease gets him thinking that maybe this wasn't a good idea. So he charges me, I guess thinking to over run me before I can heal myself again cause I just ticked again. By this time, I am rather upset. I've never seen a player do a bleed this high. Heal self, out come the VK's, Dizzy and Knockdown on him, Heal self, a beat the heck out of him. Death blow, then heal self and meditate...

I have to stop meditating every few moments to heal myself. While in the middle of this, this person returns, screaming about me being an "exploiter" and how I "cheated" and how's he's getting a CSR in here to deal with the BS and how I shouldn't be able to take him down like that, etc... Even with meditation 3 at the time, it took 20 minutes of meditation, self healing and first aid to stop that bleed.

10 minute poison (yes,yes 50min with the pause) that you had (that did how much damage per tick?) vs an action bleed doing over 2k per tick... hmmm.

Why don't you just cry nerf for all bleeds and DoT effects, nerf 'em right out of the game and be done with it, instead of the one that effected you. I could have easily cried nerf for the 2k+ bleed, yet didn't cause I learned a few things from it. Nerf PvP, I say, and then Nerf PvE and then Nerf the freakin' game and we can just send SOE 16 bucks a month out of the goodness of our hearts and go play solitare...

end rant.

"not posible please come with a more belivable lie. Thank you.

btw I want my 5 seconds back."

Nobody accused me of lying in OCTOBER when I posted it. You can have 5 seconds when I get 50 minutes :-P

Look.. No one forced to u last out the poison.. u chose to do so urself.. most players would haf ended via duel or doc or wutever.. In reality, poisons rarely last over 5min..

u said u didn't haf nothing better to do and that u tested it out of curiousity.. then u must be aware that poisons usually dont' last that long.. u chose to lengthen it urselfand then come here and whine about it????

lemme ask u in another way.. would u haf been happy if the poison actually killed u? r uwhining becoz the poison couldn't incap ufast enough right? coz if it killed u then it wouldn't haf lasted so long right?

let me give u an example so maybe u can understand wut everyone is trying to say.. imagine me migrating all my ham to the lowest possible.. then refuse to wear armor.. then eat neutron pixie and wait for it downer.. and then ask a tka to duel and whine 'Omg!! TKAs One SHots ME!! oMG!! NERFFF!!'

WHY R U WHINING WHEN U ARE GOING OUT OF UR WAY TO HAF THE POISON GRIEF U!?!?!?

Got whining? Well if you can't find a doc and want to play the game instead of whining about the incaps and lost time. Just find someone to db you...

LOL

I understand your frustration, but it is part of the game and sometimes the challenge is getting SOE's stuff fixed.

Couple of nights ago I revisited a character that I didn't use for a while and found him in a imp outpost stuck incapacitated. Ever have this happen? 100% Mind wounds. The icap time gets stuck at 0 and you never stand up.

Well I decided to file a ticket and a CSR "restored" me within 20 minutes.

Frustrating yes, but hey it happens. The whole screaming nerf thing has gotten out of hand for all professions. Cant we all just get along? LOL I want all professions nerfed except for the ones I have... Muwahahaha

Bryno Naturi
Eclipse MDOC and Expert CM.

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0smspiff0 wrote:
(I use the term grief not in the sense that the player did it intentionally - more that the game allows for it).

As I sit in my 25ths minute of being mind poisoned - with 4 incaps so far I think - and absolutly no doctors around (looked for an hour on two planets to get some healing right before I got poisoned) how on earth is poison not griefing?

I have not moved for over 25 minutes now... just waiting to die or for the poison to wear off. I have been unable to play the game for over 25 minutes.

So given that please tell me how this is not griefing? And don't say get a doctor since NONE ARE AROUND.

27 minutes now - 5 incaps... I'll post this when I know the total damage.

31 minutes... soo much fun. Ah and incap #6 at 32 minutes.

34 minutes... why don't you die after the 3rd incap?

37 minutes... incap #7.

40 minutes... incap #8

So I'll ask it again - 40 minutes of game time lost because of a player. Anyone want to explain how this is not a grief?

48 minutes and incap #8.

And the winner is 50 minutes of game time lost due to one hit of poison. And the guy logged off so now I can't go kill him.

So answer away - convince me this is not a grief.

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0smspiff0 wrote:

So given that please tell me how this is not griefing? And don't say get a doctor since NONE ARE AROUND.

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You are right. There are none. Because it is a financial disaster to do anything other then buff or sell Stim B's as a Doc. Try tipping when you dont need lifesaving sometime. I always read posts about how "I always tip in the med center" or "I am so nice to medics". If this was the case, then you would not have had this happen. I will cry a river for you after I do my destroy mission to make some income as a MCM/MDoc.

To play the devil's advocate some more.

This was a legitimate issue. Granted presented in an incredibly whiny instead of contructive manner, but when it was posted it was legitimate.

The thread has now been pulled back up and people didn't read it thorough enough to check the date on the posts.

So we all know that poison isn't meant to grief, and the fact is that there truly aren't that many doctors around that are sporting their title.

Finding a Master Doc can be difficult and the ones that are around and using their title are typically getting bombarded by so many tells that it can be hard to pick out the tell of the person asking for their poison to be cured. This is one issue that was brought up in this thread that does deserve to be looked at. However that's an issue for the Doc boards that has been discussed there.

NECRO

"Try tipping when you dont need lifesaving sometime. I always read posts about how "I always tip in the med center" or "I am so nice to medics". If this was the case, then you would not have had this happen"

1) why on earth was this post thread revived? But ok.

2) From page 1 of this thread I wrote:

"For a poisoning I got a couple of days ago in Theed when there was a doc who was around I tipped 5000. I always tip 500-1000 (and more if the person is getting a TEF from the healing)."

At that time I was tipping for ANY heals (I had people who I tepped 1000 credits to for a single 20 point wound heal ask me if I was sure - and yes I was. It does not matter how much I was tipping - if none are logged on I can't get healed now can I?

"I will cry a river for you after I do my destroy mission to make some income as a MCM/MDoc"

I have since dropped master BHer (labk of bug fixes) and have since master CM and I am about 1/2 done doc - received onetip.

to me, you had to have done something inorder to be given this "grief" poison. You either choose to /duel or join a faction. You reap what you sew.