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Scoooter

Thu Jan 27, 2005 12:57 pm

Kinshi wrote:
I feel for ya, but welcome to the R/L world of city management, where personal property rights trump the city.

Ever seen a POS house and wonder why its still there? Its because the law doesnt allow for the property to be seized unless its in arrears on property taxes.

As long as someone pays the taxes, the place can be a rathole for a LONG time (until someone burns it down for insurance money)

Bout all you can do is make sure new citizens place buildings according to your city plan (you have a plan right? RIGHT?), and only allow people who will enforce the city plan to be militia members. As Mayor you need to stay in touch with your citizens and encourage them not to abandon buildings or move buildings that dont belong.

I think most of you would be pissed off if you say got sent away on extended military duty, and all you built just went POOF because you handnt logged on on for 2 months. Also SOE is being smart for the time being in that the expect a lot of people to return to SWG and they want to make sure they have a chance to preserve the stuff and keep them as active subscribers (I mean cmon how would you feel about starting over from ground zero having to buy all new houses at 100k a crack?)

My thought is prevention is worth far more than cures. Its up to Mayors and their militia to make sure people dont stick houses wherever they feel like and be willing to tell their citizens, NO. (you realize that the unwanted, abandoned house in the bad location was allowed to be built by someone with the power to make sure it didnt get built there in the first place?)

Ok captainclueless is back and I have to respond to him

Condemned houses here mean no maintenence, no money in the bank ... SO THEY ARENT PATING THEIR TAXES.................

You are not a mayor of a city and have no clue.

People on military duty are sure to place mnore than enough maintenence in their houses. Or they admin a friend to make sure their house stays up.

Oh wait but that taks accountability and evidently you dont want that...I am sorry

There is limited space in teh city and when condemned houses occupy the free space where are you supposed to place them....and these taxes generate no revenue for the city maintenence

When you run a metropolis and get a clue let me know. Until then keep you clueless comments to yourself.

This is the second thread you started imeediatly flaming without you having any idea of what you are talking about

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Jedialex04

Thu Jan 27, 2005 4:39 pm

#28

DarthScin wrote:

Y'all are missing a very, very important point here.

Structures take up space, yes. Having structures not decay takes up increasingly more space, yes.

This means that space becomes more and more limited, correct?

And therefore, more and more valuable.

And what do we do with valuable things? We charge money for them.

As they become more valuable, we charge more money.

What's to stop people from just building outside city limits? Well now. That's a problem of making city space more valuable than wilderness space. If you can make this happen, you can make a tidy sum.

It's not just property tax. No, politicians should be landlords as well.

lol are u suggesting that he is gonna charge everyone tonnes of cash to have a house, that doesnt solve the inactivity problem there will still be inactive members, that doesnt make much sense or solve the problem

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Dezelle

Fri Jan 28, 2005 12:14 am

#29

Why do some of you overlook the obvious here???

It's simple, keep it simple...

XXX cancels his account, he leaves game, for whatever his reason, it DOESN'T MATTER. Fact remains, he left behind houses, factories, vendors, miners, whatever, that are taking up space that those of us who are PAYING TO PLAY, couldbe using. He left houses in our city, taking up room, so that newer member's can't live within limits, simply because he MIGHT return to the game, and the real KICKER is SOE is giving HIM priority over those of US who are still paying their 14.99 per month, while his account is inactive, tell me how that makes even the slightest bit of sense???

Give me a break, I don't give two hoots if XXX might return to the game,if he must leave the game for an undetermined amount of time, then be smart, take 1 hr out of your day and pull down your houses, bank your stuff, give what's left over to your guild or friend who still play, WHATEVER! When you return you have LOST NOTHING, except the land your house was on, and why for the love of god should someone who isn't paying to play be able to hold onto realestate when they don't even play the game, and it's not known if they ever will return for sure or not????

Those of you who will critisize us Mayors, and say we should be more careful where we let militia place houses, all I can say to you is this, stop talking about stuff you know nothing about, cause you are clueless. Our city is probably one of the most organized and well laid out designs you will run into, houses are perfectly spaced and placed. Militia member's DO NOT go around placing or giving out zoning right's unless they clear it with me first. I put a LOT of thought into the design and layout, but one thing I can not do is predict who is gonna dissapear and never be heard of again! I maintain approximatly 20+ houses that people have abandoned, on the hopes that they will return, and when I need space for new member's I stop paying those maint fees, and let the house BURN, so that I can open the spot for someone else. Now that house is gonna sit there FOREVER!

Don't talk to me about character/account purges, spare me the headache, SOE promised purging that would start LAST OCTOBER, and then commence on a monthly basis to follow,they published this on their website, made an official announcement, and it NEVER HAPPENED! We had two people return to the game after a year's absence, and their chars and items were perfectly intact. This purge is a scare tactic nothing else, SOE puts more stock into trying to lure back old customer's than they do in making sure that those of us who still are paying to play can enjoy our gaming experience, and what I mean about that is, give a couple months and you gonna see so many condemmed houses alongside all the new growth, that it will be an obsticle race just getting from one place to the other on some planets.

Bad Bad Bad idea, and to those of you who think it's a good idea, youneed to wake up, cause all you're focused on is the yaaaaahhooooo my stuff is still here even though I cancelled my account 4 months ago, yay ME ME ME, forget about those who were put out, I don't care cause MY stuff is still here wooohooo!!!!

Ya know what ,call me names, call me whatever you want. but I don't care if you got called to duty, bank what you can, give the rest away, or to someoen to hold, and when you come back in 6 months, start OVER! It's not like it's hard to rebuild....

...and Darth Mayors are not asking for the right to destroy structures in their citty, we should never be given that kind of control, all we ask for is that SOE doesn't allow these condemmed houses to indefintaly sit there taking up space, on the slight chance someonen MIGHT start playing again.

DarthScin

Fri Jan 28, 2005 1:08 am

#30

Scoooter wrote:

Kinshi wrote:
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As long as someone pays the taxes, the place can be a rathole for a LONG time (until someone burns it down for insurance money)

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Ok captainclueless is back and I have to respond to him

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You are not a mayor of a city and have no clue.

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When you run a metropolis and get a clue let me know. Until then keep you clueless comments to yourself.

This is the second thread you started imeediatly flaming without you having any idea of what you are talking about

I think you should learn to control your temper, boy. He was not flaming. You are flaming. So calm the **** down before you start posting about someone else's comments.

And as for me not making sense, clearly I did not use simple enough language. I will reiterate.

More houses = less space = lower supply = greater demand = willingness to pay for space.

And to reiterate again in different terms to assure understanding:

By reducing the amount of space available (decrease in supply), people are more willing to sacrifice things - such as credits - to obtain the limited space available (increase in demand). This is basic economics.

Yay! I managed to restrain myself from flaming anyone. I'm so proud.

/laugh

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Scoooter

Fri Jan 28, 2005 1:14 am

#31

DarthScin wrote:

Scoooter wrote:

Kinshi wrote:
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As long as someone pays the taxes, the place can be a rathole for a LONG time (until someone burns it down for insurance money)

.....

Ok captainclueless is back and I have to respond to him

.....

You are not a mayor of a city and have no clue.

.....

When you run a metropolis and get a clue let me know. Until then keep you clueless comments to yourself.

This is the second thread you started imeediatly flaming without you having any idea of what you are talking about

I think you should learn to control your temper, boy. He was not flaming. You are flaming. So calm the **** down before you start posting about someone else's comments.

And as for me not making sense, clearly I did not use simple enough language. I will reiterate.

More houses = less space = lower supply = greater demand = willingness to pay for space.

And to reiterate again in different terms to assure understanding:

By reducing the amount of space available (decrease in supply), people are more willing to sacrifice things - such as credits - to obtain the limited space available (increase in demand). This is basic economics.

Yay! I managed to restrain myself from flaming anyone. I'm so proud. /laugh

Part of my flame was because of the flame he did in another thread.

Paying for space does not cit it. People are just not willing to do that. Plus the game mechanic for paying for the space on a long term nasis is the property tax. That is the only thing you can count on. One time payments is not a lonmg term solution.

Plus mayors are constantly trying to stock their cities with active players. But this is a game and not real life and active players come and go and there is no way you will know who will lquit the game and who will not. So the house not burning down takes up space and city revenue.

Both of you need to talk to some mayors of large cities and see what the challenges really are

Message Edited by Scoooter on 01-27-2005 02:15 PM

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DarthScin

Fri Jan 28, 2005 7:29 am

#32

What can I say, I'm Imperial by nature, I like control.

But yeah, I guess the permahouse thing needs to go. I'll leave the more experienced in these matters to make these decisions, heh.

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BWVictorious

Fri Jan 28, 2005 8:39 am

#33

Dezelle wrote:

Why do some of you overlook the obvious here???

Ya know what ,call me names, call me whatever you want. but I don't care if you got called to duty, bank what you can, give the rest away, or to someoen to hold, and when you come back in 6 months, start OVER! It's not like it's hard to rebuild....

call you names.... ok

Visionary, Wise, Correct... that should do it.

As for anyone who isnt paying attention:

Bank holds 50 items free of charge without ever deleting them or damaging them

Inventory holds 60 items free of charge without ever deleting them or damaging them

Backpack (equiped)holds 50 items free of charge without ever deleting them or damaging them

Buy 5 droids with storage and you get 50 extra storage free of charge that does not delete them or damages them

thats 210 storage for a player who decides to quit the game and possibly return within a day or a year or a millenium.

that should be more than enough.

If for any reason a guy has to leave the game without having the chance to store his stuff and return after many months, then the perma houses would have been fair. How many times this happens? only if you dont care about your stuff. Worst case scenario you ask a RL friend to use your account details to store your stuff while you are away.

When I play quite often I have noticed harvesters burning.... after a day or two they are gone. If permastructures occurs soon there will be prime resource spots overcrowded with condemned harvesters. Isnt this nice?

There are, it has been said, two types of people in the world. There are those who, when presented with a glass that is exactly half full, say: this glass is half full. And then there are those who say: this glass is half empty. The world belongs, however, to those who can look at the glass and say: What's up with this glass? Excuse me? Excuse me? This is my glass? I don't think so. My glass was full! And it was a bigger glass!

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Scoooter

Fri Jan 28, 2005 9:45 am

#34

BWVictorious wrote:

Dezelle wrote:

Why do some of you overlook the obvious here???

Ya know what ,call me names, call me whatever you want. but I don't care if you got called to duty, bank what you can, give the rest away, or to someoen to hold, and when you come back in 6 months, start OVER! It's not like it's hard to rebuild....

call you names.... ok

Visionary, Wise, Correct... that should do it.

As for anyone who isnt paying attention:

Bank holds 50 items free of charge without ever deleting them or damaging them

Inventory holds 60 items free of charge without ever deleting them or damaging them

Backpack (equiped)holds 50 items free of charge without ever deleting them or damaging them

Buy 5 droids with storage and you get 50 extra storage free of charge that does not delete them or damages them

thats 210 storage for a player who decides to quit the game and possibly return within a day or a year or a millenium.

that should be more than enough.

If for any reason a guy has to leave the game without having the chance to store his stuff and return after many months, then the perma houses would have been fair. How many times this happens? only if you dont care about your stuff. Worst case scenario you ask a RL friend to use your account details to store your stuff while you are away.

When I play quite often I have noticed harvesters burning.... after a day or two they are gone. If permastructures occurs soon there will be prime resource spots overcrowded with condemned harvesters. Isnt this nice?

Bank holds 100.

Lets face it, players planning to return place a boat load of credits in their houses, they do not need the condemned structures. Or they admin a friend. Or the liquidate as many assets to credits.

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Dezelle

Sat Jan 29, 2005 3:46 pm

#35

Talk to us SOE, and tell us you are looking into this "condemmed" housing plan you implimented, and are trying to work up a comprimise to accomidate our concerns...

Haqin2

Sat Jan 29, 2005 4:51 pm

#36

Dezelle wrote:

Talk to us SOE, and tell us you are looking into this "condemmed" housing plan you implimented, and are trying to work up a comprimise to accomidate our concerns...

/echo

The first city I lived inended up havingso many inactive residents that not only was it a mess (there were houses standing for 6 months after ppl left the game)it became impossible to elect a new mayor when our current one left the game very suddenly, and we had to abandon it

The town hall crumbled 2 weeks before they introduced the new voting rules that would have saved it.

Although the voting issue has been resolved, thecore issueof old characters houses remaining andtheir still be declared residents means not only do current cities have problemsas stated in many posts above, but alsomany old cities live off dead populations and allow no room for new cities with new and current players, especially on the 3 core worlds. The need for deleted/left-the-game characters to be purged/cleared (at least from our cities)is one that has needed addressing for some time -this is, as Dezelle has so clearly stated, a game for the playing.

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Dezelle

Sat Jan 29, 2005 7:02 pm

#37

Hagen you bring up a good point about many cities living off dead populations, allowing no room for growing cities. Our city on Naboo has qualified for Rank 4 for about 4-5 months now, and still we get denied the update because the planet its capped for large cities, many of which are held together by a very large chunk of lot trade and inactive/cancelled accounts. This doesn't make sense, and now SOE is adding to the problem by allowing condemmed housing, I just cant see the logic.

Please SOE offer us some kind of explaination, so we can see where your logic lies. If the sole reason is to lure back old players then we need to ask SOE who the heck is more important to them, the current paying subscriber's, or those that cancelled their accounts?

dashbarron

Sat Jan 29, 2005 10:42 pm

#38

So, as long as I have cash in the bank.....Its pointles putting money in my house? It will auto deduct?

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Dezelle

Sat Jan 29, 2005 11:01 pm

#39

Once the maint pool is depleted on the house and it starts to fall into disrepair, it will attempt to draw from your bank account, but at a higher maint rate (I think I read that somewhere?). So, it's not in your best interest to let it fall into disrrepair, it costs you more.

As per patch message:

All maintenance fees will automatically attempt to deduct from Bank accounts after the maintenance pool has been depleted. Once a structure reaches 0 hitpoints, it will flag itself as condemned instead of deleting itself. Condemned houses are not enterable, and all other structures are not usable. To uncondemn a house, simply enter it with enough money in the bank to pay the repair cost. To uncondemn all other structures, use them with enough money in the bank to pay the costs.

Down with condemmed houses RA RA RA!!!

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