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ArthurDentOnBria

Tue Feb 17, 2004 11:26 am

Gotik, that is correct, but this is the falicy of the current chef pricing scheme. You are pricing your brandy SO high, and getting SUCH a migh markup on BE additives, that it will be impractical for both a chef and a BE to make anything other than brandy. Seriously, if your pricing values your own materials at 100cr/u or whatever for brandy, why would you make something that will net you 10cr/u? Similarly for a BE, if a BE tissue is causing an additional profit of 200k/crate for brandy, and a BE prices the supplements rationally, then there is no way you'll be able to afford to add it to anything but brandy.

Gotik-CH wrote:

BE Additives aren't just for Vasarian Brandy. Its true that these drinks is where the money is but we can't keep comparing prices and how much a Chef will make off a brandy run with BE Additives. Theres so many more neat things to make but the price gain wont nearly be as significant.

Gotik

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NemesiS65

Tue Feb 17, 2004 2:47 pm

#67

Nikii_Nightstrider wrote:

Acct # 1 cancelled

Acct # 2 cancelled

Husband Acct cancelled

Sons Acct cancelled

Friend #1 Acct cancelled

Friend #2 Acct cancelled

Ive always been one for bucking systems so Ill just buck that corporate system.

Yes chef was so easy I used 6 accounts for it. I think maybe the easiest thingis to just let go and go join RL again.

Ill take that seat now Vish Bye guys.. It was a great ride while it lasted and I had lots of fun for the first 5 months or so. Hope someone picks up the slack and tries to keep at least a kernel of what chef used to be around.

yea yea all you new chefs, that is the sound of the door hitting me in a$s on the way out. Not only did it hit me but it beat the crap out of me...and yes theres more room for you now.

I thought the object of games was to have fun. The fun has left the building for me.

Please dont leave... You are one of the few that has anything intelligent to say on these forums. You obviously have a passion for your profession and it would be a shame to lose someone whom actually enjoys theclass for more than profit. Maybe come to Sunrunner and start again

I was totally SWG burnt out a few months back... Dropped everything I worked for on Bria and switched servers. Was not an easy choice leaving behinds 10's of millions of credits and houses full of loot but I sure am glad I did it. I will make sure to leave a spot open for you in our fine city /grin

TevooRerio

Wed Feb 18, 2004 7:10 am

#68

Nikki,

I'm not sure if you are leaving (no goodbye thread?) - but I, for one, will be sad to see you go - and very likely I will also be taking a seat on theAccount Cancelled Bus, otherwise known as the Vishna Express...

Take care friend.

Any money spent paying to play a game that frustrates more than it satisfies, is wasted.

/looks to the current gaming market

/looks out the window at the sunrise

Hey! Spring's coming!

The One With a Silent Voice

SpottyGekko

Wed Feb 18, 2004 8:05 am

#69

Yeah ? BE's should be happy with 100k pure profit, when their schematic generates at least 4 million pure profit ? All by itself ? For the Chef ?

See my post on this at http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=chef&message.id=28191

Rankh Xholo (Master Chef)

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jason67

Wed Feb 18, 2004 8:28 am

#70

Nikii_Nightstrider wrote:

Oh and to the BE that says...well if you dont have a BE your food is useless....that is kinda the whole gripe in a nutshell. Chefs are nothing but a BE food salesman. You have more control over our food than we do.

sorry for the hostile tone but...

Ok you idiot. all the more reason that you should be treating your BE's well. You have the potential to make a fortune off of the BE's additives all you have to do is treat them well and pay them reasonably. I haven't heard of a BE that has raked you through the coals yet for these additives and other than the few weeks they were going "Bugged Mount" crazy haven't had a whole lot to make money on.

There are many more professions that make significantly higher amounts of money with less work than BE's, can you say armorsmiths or weaponsmiths. I can't belive that as a chef and knowing what you have to go through in order to produce your products that it would even bother you like it seems to. If I were a BE I wouldn't sell to you out of pure principle. You want to pay them nothing and your gonna be rude about it. If you can't deal politley with BE's then you will end up making stock foods without BE components. Give in a little pay your BE's what they are worth instead of trying to put all of the profit in your own pocket. I mean crap your charging 200k per crate of 25 of this stuff. And yes I have made foods before and know that they are work to produce but so is nearly everything else worthwhile in this game. Perhaps you should try BE out for a while and see how you like taking it in the ass from a chef who then laughs at you. You wouldn't do it for long. You would either drop BE or you would simply stop selling to that Chef. Figure it out, cause if you don't change your attitude you will be the one getting screwed in the end.

Chefs have the ability to make a NON-Resusable product that sells for 200k per 25 and is no more difficult to make than most of the Doctor products that sell for 1/4th that price or less. Take advantage of the opportunity but don't just screw everyone over on your way, those are the same people that you will need later to help you continue producing saleable foods.

/end Rant

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SpottyGekko

Wed Feb 18, 2004 9:26 am

#71

U are right about one thing, Nikkii, I'm grinding Chef as we speak, lol !

Djaz

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DashZero

Wed Feb 18, 2004 9:56 am

#72

Good. Get ready to eat...

your words.

Nikkii Nightstrider - Eat, Drink and Be Merry!
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SpottyGekko

Wed Feb 18, 2004 10:18 am

#73

Nikkii,

I'm grinding chef as we speak, yeah, but not because I intend to make vast profits in a few days. I'm grinding Chef because other than BE, I think post-patch Chef is the other most interesting profession in the game. The range of products, the number of diff resource statistic sets required and the cool clothes (lol), as well as the experimentation possibilities (which sound less than stellar in other posts, unfortunately), all looks very attractive to me.

I'm not a power player, don't have the time, but I've been a BE for the last 5 months. I love it. I followed the unfolding Chef revamp with great interest, and couldn't understand why most of the posts on this board were so negative. It all looked so much better than the old stuff ! Guess I wasn't a Chef, so I wouldn't know, huh ? It's always easier for an outsider, I suppose.

Aside from the inevitable profit-taking that accompanies any new stuff in this game, I think Chef now has more possibilities than ever ! Why would u want to quit it now ? Who says u need to churn out 400 crates of uber-Vassarian a day ? U don't ! Keep on making good stuff, just make less... Will u still be making the best stuff in the Galaxy ? Sure u will, probably more so than the next guy whose going for volume. Yeah, yeah, I haven't been there, don't know what I'm talking about, etc. This will calm down soon, and all the "Goldrush" chef's will move on to: DROID ENGINEER ! Next big thing coming...

Rankh Xholo (Master Chef)

**If I can have more than one account for SWG, can I also get a second account for LIFE ?

apulieus

Wed Feb 18, 2004 10:50 am

#74

The issue is customer base. If your customers want x, y and z and you don't have it there for them they stop coming.

DashZero

Wed Feb 18, 2004 11:09 am

#75

As Ive stated many other times. The fun of chef is gone. I like to make the best food or at least try. The revamp took that ability out. Im not even talking about BE stuff here. Im talking about normal food. The experimentation results have been drastically decreased, the effect of our good resources have been drastically decreased. Its kinda like making spice except with a very minimal buff range on the spice instead of no range. The new foods are a *part* of the problem but I made peace them already. Except the fact there is no mind food and no long duration willpower food...But yet I can feed a dogs mind 3 ways /boggle. Im frustrated to the core already because for 2/3 of the menu it doesnt matter if Im a good chef or not, its gonna turn out almost identical to Joes catering down the street. Then to add insult to injury...BEs can do more with food than I can. As a chef I find it rather insulting that a BE can make supplements which in essence are in themselves better food than I can make as chef. Then this whole greed debate is just absurd...so is the gouging. As i said im charging 150k a crate for casked BE brandy. Im not making nearly as much profit as most people. Thats ok because Im charging what I think is fair. The formula I figured my prices with: cost to make x 5 +cost of supplements + cost of trim...rounded to the nearest 5k. However as much frustration as this BE thing has caused it should be more like :cost to make x 5, + cost of supplements x5 + cost of trim. I just wanted to make good food. That ability has been taken away from me in multiple ways. Additionally, Ive spent too many nights up til 3 am trying to get a grip on 15 factories (had to add 3 after the patch for all the stupid new components and apparantly that isnt enough). My rl is suffering due to something that isnt even fun. All in all its just a bad thing. Meanwhile, while I stand in what looks like some field of windmills which is my factory field figuring what components I have to make and who needs what made and which should come first and how much time I have before factory #1 will have to be restarted, I watch my BE who is demanding half of my profit over decorating his house and spending 5 hours in the cantina chatting up the dancers. Its just wrong. There is not one part of it right. The patch gave some better foods to the general population. The patch took away everything that meant being a chef to me in order to do that.

Nikkii Nightstrider - Eat, Drink and Be Merry!
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Gotik-CH

Wed Feb 18, 2004 11:20 am

#76

Hilarious thread.

Has anyone checked the armorsmith forum to see if Tailors are asking for crates of composite in trade for cloth? Armorsmith A sells composite for 1m a suit so the tailor wants a percentage of that suit selling price. Armorsmith B sells composite for 250k a suit.. Tailor decides to stop doing business with Armorsmith B?

I certainly don't want to charge 150k for a box of biscuits when the main reason I'm raising the prices on drinks is because of the number uses and not the BE additive. BE additives are nice but they are NOT needed. Take the 50k for 2 minutes of your time or make 25kto 50kcrates and sell them.. but no profession should ask for huge profits for making a schematic with supplied resources. Get real!

On my server.. I sell most of the food for 40k a crate and if BE medium additive is added.. I double the price. Would it be worth it to me to buy 50k per crate additives? Not really.. unless I made up for it in my Cask runs.

I imagine DE's will want a piece of the Crafting Station market if someone is selling 43's for 100k. Ya know.. they do take Droid storage compartments and you couldn't make them without me.. gimme 40k per crate of storage compartments due to principle. Funny stuff.

Gotik

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Gotik-CH

Wed Feb 18, 2004 1:21 pm

#77

apulieus wrote:

Gotik I really see crafting as two parts:

1. Gathering the resources.

2. Schematic and factories

I value them equally maybe becauseI hate gatheringresources. HowI do my pricing scheme is based on cost of resources.

If a crate costs me 10k in resources to make I charge 20k for the crate. So in my mind they have done half the work and by making the schematic i do the other half. After all i mastered chef, If they want to run schematics they can master chef themselves.

If the proffesion masters went around running schematics for basically nothing then they'd put a serious crimp in the sales of people who were trying actually tring to sell their own products.

In my previous example paying top market credits for the resources i could buy them for 1million and sell the finished product for 2 million. Profit difference 1 million versus 50k.

Why should any crafter except 50k for a schematic and basically cut himself out of the picture.

Simple. To save the time it takes to gather the resources and run the factory. People pay 25-50k a crate because it saves them time. People accept the 50k payment for a schematic because it saves them time. I think both sides are fair. I don't mind which side I'm on... either way its a buttload of credits for the time. Right?

Gotik

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ArthurDentOnBria

Wed Feb 18, 2004 2:06 pm

#78

Cyene wrote:

If everyone would just DO THAT, none of this would be an issue.

But noooooo, BEs see how much Chef food "can go for" and of course just HAVE to get their cut.

This is what you guys are missing....why the h3ll are you worried what Chef food sells for? You are right, you dont have and end user market for Chef tissues.....SO WHYARE YOU SO WORRIED ABOUT OUR END CUSTOMERS!

WHAT??? We *are* your end customers! There's even a thread in the BE forum proclaiming that "brandy is a BE's best friend" because we take heavy heavy mind hits while dna sampling. If you look at BE's from a month back you'd see that nearly all of us were addicted to muuon gold. That's what this thread is about!!! Scorus simply realized that he wants brandy, chefs want his tissues, and how should the two be priced *relative to each other* to make this equitable. I'm sure he doesn't care at all if you charge a bazillion credits a crate for brandy. That's why he wanted to trade.

You absolutely cannot look at your product in a vaccum. This is apparently a really tough concept for chefs but this is a fact. If you markup your product to astronomical levels your suppliers, who also happen to be consumers of yours are *guaranteed* to raise their prices. BE's are going to run into the same problem with our suppliers soon. This is just price escalation out of control.

ArthurDent - former Bio Engineer, Tailor, and Droid Engineer
Account cancelled 7/8/05 due to game breaking bugs in these professions that have been neglected for FAR too long. Last day July 27 2005
custom tailoring and droid orders welcome. "making Evil products since July 2003"
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