Chef Archive
Thread: what do you guys think of the BEs lastest movement?
I am both a BE and Chef, so I get the whole pie. So I can honestly comment on this without bias. The BE suppliments take more resources than any food I make, save for a cask. The cask is easy enough though, as any crystal gem will do. The factory time is longest for the BE additives, think old alcohols.
In the food production process BE is at least half the work. It is more straight forward than chef from a crafting point of view, but form resource and factory time it is dead even. As to the pie, I say 50% to the BE, 50% to the chef. On a 300k crate of brandy, that is 150 to the BE. Though brandy is an exception to the rule, not the actual rule. Generally it is 100k per crate of anything, so 50k per crate of additive is fine. That works out to 2mil per 1k run. Schematics are cheap though. They take little time to make. Mastering BE is way harder than master chef, but still making a schematic is only a minute's time. I would say 5 to 10k tops for a schematic. The MBE can't charge you the total cost to master BE each time they make a schematic. They have a lot of other business going on with the other tissues, stims and pets. So that one minute schematic, although worth something, is worth little when compared to the whole.
Make it worth the BE's time, be it buying tissues out right or just a schematic. If they are overly greedy then find another BE or become one yourself.
I understand where the BE is coming from. Did I mention that I was a tailor when this same fight was going on with the armorsmiths? In that case, armorsmiths didn't even have the option to make anything without products from tailors. The fight was bitter and ugly at times but now it is a non-issue.Both sides adjusted and nobody mentions it anymore.
I expect the same thing to happen with BEs and chefs. Some BEs will make schematics and others won't. Chefs will have to find a source of BE tissues, make non-BE foods exclusively, or leave the profession all together. In a few weeks, this will be a non-issue too.
A while back I posted a complaint in these forums about the schematic-buying issue and how it devalues the BE crafting business. It was an emotional post, and I got an emotional response. Nothing was achieved. Lol, I guess I learn my lessons the hard way.
Since then I have been very dissillusioned with the whole additive market. I find it very difficult to get meat these days on my server, and the prices have rocketed. However, I have made a few schematics for a certain chef, in exchange for flora or creds (75K). Due to the shortage of meat, I have now decided to charge 10K of medium quality meat in exchahge for a schematic. However, my client was not very enthusiastic about that idea, and I haven't heard from him since...
As a new MBE and a long time MD who is used to the crafting aspect im shaking my head at some of the arguements between BE and Chefs atm... And i must say there are Trolls on both sides.
Some BE charge way to much for the additives and some Chefs seems to think that BE should give them additives out of the share goodness of their hearts....
Medium nutritions witch are the main issue here takes 20 meat and 60 flora/organics to make.... Me as a Master Doctor have no problem on the Flora/organics part and even if its hard to get stuff with good OQ/PE and FL im usualy able to get this myself... Im used to hunt resources... The meat even tho only 20 units is another matter all together.... quality meat is insanly pricy... sure you can get so and so quality meat for 15cpu... but for the stuff you want and in quantity to make crates your very lucky to get below 20cpu for the meat..... i would not be supprised to pay 40 - 50 cpu for this meat unless there is some quality easy to get meat available (like carnivore on dath or something) we are talking both OQ/PE and FL something that Chefs i recon are used to....
Personaly i have set a price at 35k on BSN strength 87. I could care less what you charge for your goods, but thats what i feel i have to charge for me to bother producing it.... So far the response on Farstar have been very low tho... so i guess that 35k is to high... in witch case I wont be selling these other than delivering to friends/PA Chefs because they are friends, not to make money.
I have a auction going on Farstar now for 40 crates of strength 87 BSN.... I sat minimum bid to 1 mill... so far highest bid is 1 050 000 credits.... Is these additivis really not worth more ?
Bacharr wrote:Well, I know at least one MBE (me) that will make you any food additive schematic you would like for FREE if you just provide enough materials to make it.
If you want to tip when you get the schematic, great. If not, so what. People seem to be ridiculously greedy over credits that are almost immediately worthless when you have more than 5M of them.
Bacharr (Wanderhome) - MBE/MCH
Janai (Bria) - MDoc/MChef
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boogie7776 wrote:
The Forum BEs are crying that they want a piece of our pie. They want to start charging high prices for their crates of bio components, and some of them even want to boycott the sale of schematics so that we can no longer produce our own bio components.
For sure i dont expect a BE schematic to be made for free, but not what some BEs tryed to charge me... 1000cr per item, 1000 items in a schematic=1 million credits
Don't you havea BE in your PA or player city? In SABRE our 2 Chefs and 3 BEs work together extensively, not gouging each other for prices. It allows for all members to get cheap high quality foods (at least halfof our 86 membershave some scout skill and gather them meat and milk and eggs when hunting) and ithelps keep both their profit margins high when selling to the genereral public. Work with your PA, or your local BE, you will both be able to make alot more money if ya try.
Ja-van wrote:
ewokkillah wrote:
If you don't like the prices that the BE is charging, you still have choices. You can find another BE or become a BE yourself. I don't blame BEs at all for wanting to get a slice of the pie. I were a BE, I would never sell a schematic. I would be happy to buy all the materials from you at market rates and then sell you back the crates of tissues. When a BE sells a schematic for cheap rates, they are seilling themselves short and not being compensated for all the skill points they used to get there.
1stI dont want to be a BE. IF I did then I would have already been one.
2nd Boycoting schematics is BS. I understand your arguement, and I am happy at paying 200-400k for a schematic. But for them to say I am not going to make you a schematic you gotta by all the crates from me is pure stupidity.
3rd. LOGISTICS. Sorry but is a BE gonna dedicated 1 factory to me EVERY WEEK? doubt it. (that is the time it takes to make 2 full runs of medium BE tisue.) I am I going to put my ability to play this game in the hands of someone else? Basically if I do not have tissue I can not play, I can not make my products, my vendor does not get stocked. In real life "class" interdependancy for subcomponents is a good thing and required. In a game being dependant on other people to harvest meat and supply you with 2k-8k of items (tissue or trim) DOES NOT WORK!!!!!!!! If I could buy a few crates a week and be able to keep my vendor stocked, like most other class interdependancies, then this wouldnt be a problem. Trying to procure multiple factory runs from multiple people is a nightmare and takes ALL the fun out of being a chef. Throw in the fact that BE tissue makes my food better than I can then it makes being a chef all that much more pointless.
Finally, NOT ALL foods have the profit of brandy. Are you going to pay 200k+ for a crate of 6 uses synthesteak? Besides all that, those that are charging 300K+ for brandy is simply ruining the market for EVERYONE, fellow chefs and consumers.
Denoby Master assembler of flora, deliverer of BE buffs
1 If you order that much all the time then I am SURE that he would love to sell you that much. I don't know ONE person whowouldnt be willing to drop an extra factory down if they knowthey have a person who will buy EVERYTHING that it spits out.
2. /salute I agree that those charging insane prices for the food is making it not worth buying. There are several vendors (like the awesome yet expensive DCORP mall) on Chilistra selling 25 unit crates of400+ 40 minute brandy and+730 canapes for over 350k (the best brandy goes for 400K) and 10 packs of the canapes are sold for over 200k. It sucks when there are only a few people who can make items like this (at least our PA chefs have done awesome brandy and can come close on the canapes but not many others seem to be able to)
I am a master BE. I had to make private deals with PA cheefs and tailors and then they have same problem as me. Selling it for proper price. To me 3c for harved stuff and 10c for meats is my fare selling price. I hunt the better meat iif I find it so hunt is hunt, don't matter more then that. I can't sell on a vendor at that price cause they get bought and insta resold at higher price. So PA cheefs get what I can get to them when I do but now if they sell for the lower price reflected from my lower sales to them, same thing happenes to them. Other people make money without doing jack. So we keep the low priced stuff on PA vendor. I not have time to hunt extras but I could care less about creds. PA shares profits as needed. I do not know any other answere then what our PA has done. They do ther share of hunting as well. I do not get time to get 20k meats in a day I hear other people get. I get maybe 5k. But a few days if I in game and doing that and meats don't change, got a good factory run.
Yes prices of everything is out of control. Either sell for the insane prices or make private deals for proper prices. They are the choices.