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In-game now - free MBE schematics - you bring the ingredients, I make the schematic.

Bacharr - Coronet, Corellia

Bachar, I'm not sure why u are giving away free schematics, I'm sure u have your reasons. Mebbe u have made enough money in other ways already, so it doesn't matter to u.

However, if a handfull of BE's on every server decide to do this, no BE will ever be able to sell an additive at any price, no matter how reasonable that price may be. After all, there is no lower price than "free", is there ?

Djaz

Valcyn

"How much you pay for actual factory crates of the additives I wouldn't hazard a guess, but in my opinion schematics are the best way to go."

I totally agree, as does my BE who does not want the hassle of manufacturing the nutrients.

If everyone could just agree that there is a market for both, and not whine about it....

Cyene

Just a few random thoughts on the economics

To get an additive requires meat or milk, a trivial amount of flora resource and BE skill. Although resource quality is nice with regard to the additive it's not vital. The customer is aware that there is 400-420 brandy and (cheap, inferior) 200ish brandy. So an additive worse than 85 but still good enough for the brandy to hit the magic 400 is probably enough

I doubt the BEs know this and I haven't tested to see just how low you can go with resource quality. I suspect PE + Flavour + OQ >= 2000 is about right, although it may well be lower

So to a BE scrabbling to get 900+ stats on her meat it may seem like the BSN is highly valuable and that the price should be high. We can probably ask instead for a slightly lower quality and only lose a couple of points off the final product

Next is communication with those who harvest. If rancor meat or sharnaff meat hits the value necessary for a decent but not uber BSN then it should be possible to acquire ungodly quantities by spamming at Coro starport "paying 10 cpu for meat or whatever". Most people on naff hunts are probably taking hides and as an ex-Armoursmith I can assure people that Naff hide is pretty useless. It can't be used in Comp or Ubese for instance

Next is the value of the BE's skill assuming that most Chefs would have no qualms about dealing in schematics if they are available

1) If the schematics are provided free that will actually create a lot of pressure on the provider. The demand from chefs, which would get higher and higher as word spread, might very well prove to be as aggravating in the end as the complaints from more commercial BEs. Free schematics sort of suggests that here is a BE who isn't interested in food tissues so becoming very busy making free schematics is probably not what they want. So this option, although attractive might be unreliable even if the person giving them out isn't a hologrinder

2) schematics provided at a moderate price - say 20-50k - might last a while. Still it is a very small slice of the pie. I fully appreciate that making food and drink is really demanding but if you had 100k+ of rancor meat and got a schematic that could make 2k BSNs the Bio Engineer might twig that they are getting a minute amount of the revenue. Most commercially minded BEs will assume we have a LOT of meat if we want a schematic which is not necessarily true at all

3) Getting schematics for a high price - say 250k to a million - might still be lucrative if you had naff or rancor meat to work with but once you've paid it once you kind of shut the door to ever getting it cheap again. If you paid a million last time, how are you going to convince a BE to lower the price because you only have 5k of meat?

4) Buying crates will work and as time goes on I think the prices will rise. If there isn't enough BSN to go round for the amount of Brandy Chefs want to make (and it seems likely that will always be true unless and until the system gets revised) then any new chef or hologrinder who wants to make quck cash before they drop Master Chef can get ahead of a 6 months veteran with tapes and prime resources who won't pay the price. The brutal truth of the economics here is that if the only BSNs available cost 500k a crate and the holo chef can sell Brandy for 750k a cratethey may decide to do it because it's 250k profit on a comparitively small amount of resources. Statements "like the maximum price chefs will pay is XXX" seem to overlook the fact that the established veteran community of master chefs are not the only people with chef skills - players can skill up to 0034 in a day or two. I accurately think it's an inaccurate analysis, I'm quite sure there are veteran members of the community who will pay more than the 40k that's being stated as the "maximum" (I think Fatgit might have offered more at one stage). Many many people price by the system of stocking up thier vendor and if it empties fast they raise the price, if it empties slow they lower the price. Now we know that any reasonably priced BE vendor full of BSNs is going to empty within an hour or two so as long as chefs are more productive than BEs the price WILL rise

The Forum BEs are crying that they want a piece of our pie

Heh

I think they're going to get it too

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Gracchus wrote:
If you want a schematic. Give the guy 200k minimum

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While I may agree with most of your ranges, YOU are not GOD and quite frankly need to shut the hell up dude. You are trolling the boards like a mad man in hopes that you alone are going to set the price for everyone, BE, and chefs. Sorry but wake up to reality, make suggestions and what you fill is right, but do not say DO this or DO that. All you are going to do is make people less incline to do anything you suggest. I charged 200k for brandy which I felt was the top end of what it should be charged, but seeing you tell me to charge xxx makes me want to raise it, if I decide to throw some back up on the vendor.

Learn how to make constructive posts,(some of yours have been), but most of your latest posts seems to be demands.You might make some progress with constructive post. I doubt it, but it will get a better response than demanding or telling people what they should do.

Denoby Retired Master Chef