Chef Archive
Thread: Combateers got moneynerfed big-time, please lower your prices :(
KappaStang
Thu Dec 30, 2004 10:05 am
#14
Honestly, I doubt any chefs go into your combat profession of choice forums and tell you how to do your job, how to spam your specials, and which weapons to use. Please do not tell us how to gather our resources and how much to charge. As you can see, your suggestion was taken by many from the chef community and no one agrees with you. Others say they will drop prices as the economy demands it so. I do not see why you are still here arguing your points.
JemyM
Thu Dec 30, 2004 10:36 am
#15
Honestly, I doubt any chefs go into your combat profession of choice forums and tell you how to do your job, how to spam your specials, and which weapons to use. Please do not tell us how to gather our resources and how much to charge. As you can see, your suggestion was taken by many from the chef community and no one agrees with you. Others say they will drop prices as the economy demands it so. I do not see why you are still here arguing your points.
There's a few ignorant posts here allright, like asking me to change profession to be able to earn money for my profession...
But there are also a few nice and intelligent posts about which issue a chef faces, and posting here have indeed offered me more insight that I cannot say I had before.
Your post was unfortunate not among the posts meant to create insight, instead its just a piece of tasteless ignorance.
Selenei
Thu Dec 30, 2004 10:38 am
#16
JemyM wrote:I cant change profession to earn money for my profession.Maybe you should either change your professions or stop complaining about themMaybe you should try to give less ignorant responses?Jedi, Pistoleers, Carbineers, Riflemen, Commando, Teras Kasi, Fencers, Swordmen, Pikemen... theese professions have only one solid way to make money - mission terminals.sorry to say this, but you are sooooooo of here. I have a rifleman (well woman actually) and i can make an easy 10-13k per mission, 20-30k if you know how. At 12k per mission i make about 300k in one buff, which covers easily for any buff, armour, weapon and food costs for that time as well as lets me have a big pile of cash left to do other things with. You could use it (as stated before) to get some harvesters and sell resources for money? not your thing? well then don't, except for one or two all of the professions you mentioned allow you to master another class, even doc or ranger and make money by buffing or by selling resources, you could even take a crafting proffession besides your combat prof, so why not? All your points up in combat professions? well you could run those solo missions. or you could rethink your prof if it doesn't work.
>I dont have money to hire people. I buy goods.Then make friends with someone who is and ask them to let you know where to place your harvesters, I did this and made 10m over 4 weeks.Did you read the topic?Run missions to get the credits for harvesters, then get someone to tell you where to put them, then sell what you get and bingo you got credits. Hell if I can make money doing that I'm sure everyone else can its not like Im any better than you or anyone else.
Oh and 1 other thing, if your a fighter try fighting things where you can pick up good loot, and you could sell that tooThis money comes from sold goods. Mostly to Combateers. When artisans cannot be payed, they cannot pay for resources. This way of producing an income will eventually drop, just like the rest. If you want to know, I am a guildmaster, so I do not have any free lots left.
Message Edited by Selenei on 12-30-2004 12:39 PM
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Osrid
Thu Dec 30, 2004 10:39 am
#17
Hmm my thoughts I'm not a huge chef yet but based on prices on my sever 90k to 140k for crates of food.
Lets take brandy for an example about 110k for a crate.
At 11k a mission thats 10 missions now I don't know about you but the credit nerf didn't make the missions slower to kill so I know that I can most likely take out 10 missions on one or two 45min brandy.
So lets see 18 use brandy X 25 in a crate = 450 uses of brandy.
In my book thats still pretty good roughly 448 brandys for the time it to do 10missions?
Lets take brandy for an example about 110k for a crate.
At 11k a mission thats 10 missions now I don't know about you but the credit nerf didn't make the missions slower to kill so I know that I can most likely take out 10 missions on one or two 45min brandy.
So lets see 18 use brandy X 25 in a crate = 450 uses of brandy.
In my book thats still pretty good roughly 448 brandys for the time it to do 10missions?
Higginsis
Thu Dec 30, 2004 2:18 pm
#18
Some people (i.e the OP) can't seem to grasp the fact that solo missions were never meant to be the major income, things like harvesting were, or loot, solo groups were never intended which is why they got nerfed.
Its time to adapt mate, there's plenty of money to be made, you just have to go for it, hell i'm sure you can spare the 15 sp for scout.
I didn't fancy grinding missions money for a living, so i became a chef. Now i have plenty of money and can afford to pay combat profs for the meat or hide etc. Thats how the economy was meant to work, crafters passing on money to the combat profs in exchange for resources. Not the floods of money coming in from missions, now the economy will get settled, and eventually the prices will adjust, but not now, there's still too much money sloshing around.
But if you can't accept change (which is what you will have to do if you want any decent amount of money from combat) you're gonna be stuck.
Its time to adapt mate, there's plenty of money to be made, you just have to go for it, hell i'm sure you can spare the 15 sp for scout.
I didn't fancy grinding missions money for a living, so i became a chef. Now i have plenty of money and can afford to pay combat profs for the meat or hide etc. Thats how the economy was meant to work, crafters passing on money to the combat profs in exchange for resources. Not the floods of money coming in from missions, now the economy will get settled, and eventually the prices will adjust, but not now, there's still too much money sloshing around.
But if you can't accept change (which is what you will have to do if you want any decent amount of money from combat) you're gonna be stuck.
LuciousOtso
Fri Dec 31, 2004 12:12 am
#19
i can't stand posts like this, i try to support my guild while being a chef and buy almost all of my componets, be tissues, contract resources all from my guild as to get them money, i don't even make 70k on a crate of brandy, if you knew how long it took me to just FIND decent resources so that you wouldn't complain it sucked then you wouldn't be complaining about pricing, besides i only charge 150k a crate and i could slap anyone who complains about my prices.
hypoxia
Fri Dec 31, 2004 1:49 am
#20
JemyM you're not seriously this helpless are you? There are many good suggestions by people here. Harvest meat, mine resources, loot items... these are not "ignorant" responses as you previously put it. This is how you make money in this game. You say you cant mine anything because you dont have the money to pay someone to find a spot for you? Join a guild that will help you or tell someone you'll give them 100k of the resources or something - you can figure out a solution if you try.
And honestly if making money is so hard with your template, maybe you've picked up the wrong template! We are notgoing to support you because you have an "uber leet template" and dont want to drop 15 skill points every once in a while to make money.
Chefs will not lower prices untill people stop buying their product. Once the economy changes this may happen, and prices will adjust.
Seriously JemyM you need to ask yourselfis it that you cant do it,or you wont?
sfubar
Fri Dec 31, 2004 5:53 am
#21
the point im trying to make to you is not ignorant at all, im simply saying if you cannot manage with your profesion then maybe you should look at others.
I know plenty of people who are only combat skills and they do fine, so I dont think having no other source of income is that big a problem, and its not like im the only person to point this out.
I do feel sorry for you having all your lots placed on guild stuff, but maybe you should ask some of you other guild members to take some of the responsability for other buildings so you have at least 3 free lots (pa halls take 7). That way you would have 3 free for harvesting.
Failing you finding any of teh advice helpful I would advise you to post on your proffessions boards asking them for help in ways to make money, because posting in crafters boards complaining about prices never works. As long as we have to spend as much time and credits to make the stuff, the prices will stay high. When great resources are freely available and factory runs only take an hour, you might see prices drop.
Not having a go at you, just trying to point out some facts
JemyM
Fri Dec 31, 2004 6:27 am
#22
Selenei wrote:
sorry to say this, but you are sooooooo of here. I have a rifleman (well woman actually) and i can make an easy 10-13k per mission, 20-30k if you know how. At 12k per mission i make about 300k in one buff, which covers easily for any buff, armour, weapon and food costs for that time as well as lets me have a big pile of cash left to do other things with. You could use it (as stated before) to get some harvesters and sell resources for money? not your thing? well then don't, except for one or two all of the professions you mentioned allow you to master another class, even doc or ranger and make money by buffing or by selling resources, you could even take a crafting proffession besides your combat prof, so why not? All your points up in combat professions? well you could run those solo missions. or you could rethink your prof if it doesn't work.
You get about 300k in a buff. So do I.
Most combateer crates of food goes for 250-350k on my server.
Before the nerf, this was no big deal since you earned 900k-1000k in a buff. So you could go out, money grind for a buff, be able to afford your food, a set of armor and maybe save some money for a weapon. This was ok. Combateers earned alot of money, so people could boost their prices. When the money was boosted, thoose artisans could also pay more for their resources, offering Rangers and Surveyors more money (when people pay 1-5 million for a presliced weapon, the merchant have lots of money to pay a surveyor).
Due to the Buffbots and the moneynerf, Doctors cannot earn money like they used to. They used to be, but considering the difficulties with finding customers, plus the fact that they will be nerfed with the revamp, makes them a bad choice in terms of earning money.
If you really need to know, I am a Jedi, so I cannot "regrind another profession". I am also a guildmaster, and the guildhall sucks up all my available lots.
What im doing now, however.isgrinding my alt into aChef myself right now, for two reasons. First to supply my combateer with food, and second to earn money.
JemyM
Fri Dec 31, 2004 6:34 am
#23
Hmm my thoughts I'm not a huge chef yet but based on prices on my sever 90k to 140k for crates of food.
Lets take brandy for an example about 110k for a crate.
At 11k a mission thats 10 missions now I don't know about you but the credit nerf didn't make the missions slower to kill so I know that I can most likely take out 10 missions on one or two 45min brandy.
So lets see 18 use brandy X 25 in a crate = 450 uses of brandy.
In my book thats still pretty good roughly 448 brandys for the time it to do 10missions?
110k a crate is a very decent price, and I praise you for keeping prices that low.
The crates on my server go for 250-350k depending on creator/quality.
JemyM
Fri Dec 31, 2004 6:46 am
#24
JemyM you're not seriously this helpless are you? There are many good suggestions by people here. Harvest meat, mine resources, loot items... these are not "ignorant" responses as you previously put it. This is how you make money in this game. You say you cant mine anything because you dont have the money to pay someone to find a spot for you? Join a guild that will help you or tell someone you'll give them 100k of the resources or something - you can figure out a solution if you try.
And honestly if making money is so hard with your template, maybe you've picked up the wrong template! We are notgoing to support you because you have an "uber leet template" and dont want to drop 15 skill points every once in a while to make money.
Chefs will not lower prices untill people stop buying their product. Once the economy changes this may happen, and prices will adjust.
Seriously JemyM you need to ask yourselfis it that you cant do it,or you wont?
"Change your profession" is always an ignorant reply, no matter in which form.
I am a Jedi and a Guildmaster. This means: I cannot kill NPCs, I cannot change my profession and harvest meat, I use 7 lots for guildhall, 1 lot for yacht and since I cannot carry a backpack I need the final two lots for storage, so I cannot place harvesters.
Give me one way to earn money without: Killing NPC's, Needing free lots, Change my profession... and its a good start.
I say Mission Terminals. I earn 250-350k in 4 hours of work, and thats it. Paying 250-350k for a crate of food was simple before, since combateers could earn 900-1100k in 4 hours work.
JemyM
Fri Dec 31, 2004 7:08 am
#25
Some people (i.e the OP) can't seem to grasp the fact that solo missions were never meant to be the major income, things like harvesting were, or loot, solo groups were never intended which is why they got nerfed.
Its time to adapt mate, there's plenty of money to be made, you just have to go for it, hell i'm sure you can spare the 15 sp for scout.
I didn't fancy grinding missions money for a living, so i became a chef. Now i have plenty of money and can afford to pay combat profs for the meat or hide etc. Thats how the economy was meant to work, crafters passing on money to the combat profs in exchange for resources. Not the floods of money coming in from missions, now the economy will get settled, and eventually the prices will adjust, but not now, there's still too much money sloshing around.
But if you can't accept change (which is what you will have to do if you want any decent amount of money from combat) you're gonna be stuck.
If its true what people say, that the chef prices are put up becouse of BioEngineers prices, I do not blame the chefs. In fact, it should be you guys sitting on the BE forum, complaining over their prices 
My argument currently is becouse of the responses I gotten so far for asking gently to consider to lower your prices. I asked for it becouse the prices are currently set up high becouse of the moneygrinders, and thoose moneygrinders do not exist anymore. The economy will fall, and professions one by one will see the differences.
What people fails to grasp is that a resource or loot item costs nothing.
You do not PAY the Bantha to milk it. You pay a guy for the service of going out there to get it to you.
You do not PAY the ground to give you metal or gas. You pay a guy for the service of going out there to get it to you.
You do not PAY the NPC to drop loot on you. You are payed a price becouse that loot item is rare and people wants it.
Resources are given a price depending on the amount of available money on the server. A rich server (such as the ones infected with moneycheaters) can pay higher prices for harvesting, and in thoose cases a Ranger or Surveyor earns more.
The money you get for selling food comes from Mission Terminals. The money you use is to pay resource collectors, based on the money you earn from the people that earns money from mission terminals.
Personally, I will get my BE stuff for free. We have enough in my guild to get all resources for free. This means, that every crate of food I will sell will give me 100% income. This also means that I can sell a crate of brandy for 100k and earn money of it. I know that combateers can afford 100-150k so they will stop buying crates for 250-350k and come to me instead, making thoose chef loose their income.
Being an artisan/merchant is to live with the flow. Being able to adjust in time before having to sell out the stock for minimum price is a good thing.
Now flame me.
Message Edited by JemyM on 12-31-2004 03:15 PM
JemyM
Fri Dec 31, 2004 7:11 am
#26
i can't stand posts like this, i try to support my guild while being a chef and buy almost all of my componets, be tissues, contract resources all from my guild as to get them money, i don't even make 70k on a crate of brandy, if you knew how long it took me to just FIND decent resources so that you wouldn't complain it sucked then you wouldn't be complaining about pricing, besides i only charge 150k a crate and i could slap anyone who complains about my prices.
Ack! Nonononono... Now I see why people things I am crazy... 150k is a great price for a crate of brandy! I am complaining about chefs that demand 250-350k a crate! 150k is actually 1/3 of the price that I have to pay today!!!