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Thread: Request when discussing pricing...
If that was your intent of the thread you should have posted that to begin with, and not include negative commentary about "undercutters", who I would define as anyone with pricing lower than yours that you cannot, or better yet will not compete with.While the intent of your thread was to "standardize" the format of threads for better comparisons, by adding negatively based comments you invite debate and arguement.
Dsabre wrote:
perhaps when posting about pricing, the following info should be given...to prevent unnecessary hostility:
1) stats on product (including uses)
2) container used (for drinks only, comparing small glass to cask is pointless)
3) BE or non BE
4) what your customer base is (friends, PA, general population)
5) do you get anything for free, or close to it (schems, resources, lots, etc.)
6) can you keep a vendor stocked at that price
this is my last attempt to restore the intent of this thread...I hope.
That's ridiculous. More importantly its anti-competitive and is "Price Fixing". This is a virtual free-market. The goal is to have the competitive advantage, whether through cost, quality, service, delivery or flexibility.
If you don't want to compete with other people, than why are you a crafter?
Instead of complaining about other people's choosen pricing, how about you seek out methods to reduce your own costs.
What other chefs are able to accomplish in this game as far as reducing costs is not unique and it's a replicable cost advantage strategy.
sure you can respond to the "the world is flat" with "no it isn't" and follow with facts and examples and such...but this is also a different type of comment (stating a fact which hasn't been proved true...is different than stating something which has been proved true for others before), today...that sort of statement would only draw a good laugh...and maybe someone to try and explain to that person why its not...anyone taking that comment personally today...I just don't see that happening.
I've tried to let this drop Saitek...I really did...but after I tried to let it drop, and followed your last post without making any references to you except to reply, and make a simple request...but you've only proved my point further...
personal attacks = not my intention (using the word "you" especially in the same sentence with other words like absurd, rediculous, etc. is a personal attack...replace "you" with non specific words like they, one, etc.)
I believe I stated it previously...but one more time Saitek...since I guess you're the only one that didn't get this...
I wanted arguments...not personal attacks.
arguments are different than personal attacks...even Cyene who claims to be worse than you either chooses his/her words better, or knows this difference (and Cyene...I'm begining to doubt what you said regarding that...didn't think I would...but I am).
if you're going to make an argument...back it up with examples which have been proven, reference it with events that are common knowledge, etc....don't just use personal opinion. I personally feel that this is the biggest aspect in the difference between a personal attack, and an argument. one is backed up by facts, examples, etc...the other is composed purely of personal opinions.
and just as one final thought...why can't I have more than 1 intent for doing something? when going to oh lets say McDonald's for lunch...my intent is to get food because I'm hungry...but perhaps I also wanted to go to a computer shop...and McDonald's was on the way...so I chose McDonald's over some other place because it fit my 2nd intent...to go to the computer shop...2 intents, 1 action.
Wow, all these posts about pricing makes me feel weird about only charging 2 credits per unit on resources, unless the stats are really amazing (+900 on most). The way I see it, if I have 4 mineral harvs on a good spot and in one day get 40k units of some ore, then sell it in one day in my Merchant Tent for 2 credits per unit, I just made 80k. Now, figure in the cost for the upkeep on the tent and vendor, then also figure in the cost for the power and maintenence on the mineral harvs, then also add in the cost for the maintenence for the solar gens I have to have to get all that power. That would leave me, on a daily basis, about 75k profit. I just don't see the big deal about charging 5 or 10 credits for resources. Maybe this is undercutting the other chefs and merchants but I remember a time when NO ONE was a multi-millionaire. Money can be very hard to come by unless you get lucky by selling huge amounts of resources to people very quickly or, like me,cash infrom the Holocron Craze where I sold 5 in one week for well over a mil each.
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oops, sorry about the double post, my keyboard decided it didn't like me all of a sudden.
What I was trying to say was the bottom line is that everyone is here to play the game. The money is just a bunch of 0's and 1's in different patterns. All I want is to keep a little profit coming in on a regular basis and have fun making and selling stuff to people who need it. If I make a ton of cash from lots and lots of sales, great, lucky me, but I doubt that will happen. All I ask, and I think this is fair, is a little profit to keep things moving. And that is exactly what I am getting. A little profit. I've managed to get about 120k in profit in the last week. Not bad at all, but I think it's ridiculous to pay 10 or 20 credits for resources from someone.
The only exception to this is things like hides, bones, meat and milk. Those are things we actually have to go out and get ourselves and anyone can tell you that it ain't easy. Believe me, I'm happy to pay 8 or 10 credits per unit for 10k units of meat or milk because I don't have the time or inclination to go do all that hunting. Sorry if this undercuts your business, but ...well....I think my prices are reasonable and fair for everyone.
Saitek wrote:
apulieus wrote:Saitek you and Iplyvi should just put disclaimers on your price responses. We have sweetheart BE's that supply schematics for 50k.
Though i think you'd be flamed off the BE boards if you went there and suggested that BE's should do the same for all chefs.
Iplvi you said in another thread you pay 100cr per trim, which is low consider it takes 25 resources to make. Instead of taking advantage of them why don't you pay them what they're worth, you should really pay them 200cr minimun.
Similarly for you BE's so your food costs a little more, give them a fair value.
I never said all BE's should do that for all chefs. Find a post where I said that. I help out my BE's and my Tailor as much as possible, including supplying 100's of thousands worth of resources, and giving them my personal collection of meat over 60k by now and free food.
To me it sounds like jealousy on your part. Instead of responding with "how did you manage that" in order to try and reduce your costs, which I am more than happy to help you with, you would rather make negative and unconstructive comments. That's jealousy if I ever saw it, very childish.
Saitek, If I were you, I'd take a moment to take some of your own advise, and carefully read what people are posting instead of just rattling off a response.
when you say things like all chefs should seek to reduce their costs as much as possible...the first and foremost cost is/was/will be (unless things change) the BE additives. you get your additives for dirt cheap, try suggesting a price less than 40k a crate for tissues on the BE boards...you'll get flamed off in short order.
gee and if I don't use facts...I guess the resource costs are just my opinion that a small glass made with 2cpu gemstone would cost 20 credits...so it must just be my opinion that a small glass takes 10 gemstone to make. and its also just my opinion that tailors, and architects got into undercutting wars which has caused a sharp decline in their population. it must also be my opinion that enraged rancor missions can be obtained on dathomir and that those rancors can be harvested for meat....and lots of it. oh and it must also be my opinion that a small glass drink shouldn't be priced the same as a drink in a cask, strictly based off of resource costs...because hey its my opinion that a small glass takes less resources than a cask.
I'll take some thoughts that were floating around during the BE debate over chef tissue pricing...and I was involved in that too to a large extent...ask ArthurDentOnBria...I think I got the caps right...I think. a BE selling tissues at 40k a crate can make enough profit to cover costs at 5 cpu for flora, and 25 cpu for meat. giving a BE access to 60k meat, and hundreds of K of flora pales in comparison to what other chefs are giving their BE's by paying them more than 5k a crate.
tailors are a different story...100 cr a trim is more than a fair price...especially since quality of materials is irrelovent.
giving a BE free food is a fairly common practice, theres a lot of chefs that give food away to friends and PA mates as well (theres nothing wrong with helping out a friend).
jealousy isn't childish...refusing to admit when you're wrong or when others are right...or accusing people of doing the same thing you're doing. nearly every other poster in this thread leaves open the possibility that they don't know everything, or that they could be wrong...all but 1.
and if you read apulieus' post...he's not jealous of you...far from it...he's most likely annoyed that you value your BE/tailor partners so lowly. he wants you to pay your BE's/tailors more...what they're worth...how is that jealous? pity for others is not jealousy.
Dsabre wrote:
Saitek, If I were you, I'd take a moment to take some of your own advise, and carefully read what people are posting instead of just rattling off a response.
when you say things like all chefs should seek to reduce their costs as much as possible...the first and foremost cost is/was/will be (unless things change) the BE additives. you get your additives for dirt cheap, try suggesting a price less than 40k a crate for tissues on the BE boards...you'll get flamed off in short order.
Thats false, there are BE's on my server who sell crates for 20k a crate.
gee and if I don't use facts...I guess the resource costs are just my opinion that a small glass made with 2cpu gemstone would cost 20 credits...so it must just be my opinion that a small glass takes 10 gemstone to make. and its also just my opinion that tailors, and architects got into undercutting wars which has caused a sharp decline in their population. it must also be my opinion that enraged rancor missions can be obtained on dathomir and that those rancors can be harvested for meat....and lots of it. oh and it must also be my opinion that a small glass drink shouldn't be priced the same as a drink in a cask, strictly based off of resource costs...because hey its my opinion that a small glass takes less resources than a cask.
These facts were only based on what it cost you, not me. For me trim is free, gemstone is occasionally free though last time i payed 2:1. BE additives are 5k a crate, flora resources are approx .2, and milk, meat and hide are free. You can calculate my profits off that. I dont beleive that because I CAN charge someone a certain price that I ethically should.
I'll take some thoughts that were floating around during the BE debate over chef tissue pricing...and I was involved in that too to a large extent...ask ArthurDentOnBria...I think I got the caps right...I think. a BE selling tissues at 40k a crate can make enough profit to cover costs at 5 cpu for flora, and 25 cpu for meat. giving a BE access to 60k meat, and hundreds of K of flora pales in comparison to what other chefs are giving their BE's by paying them more than 5k a crate.
tailors are a different story...100 cr a trim is more than a fair price...especially since quality of materials is irrelovent.
giving a BE free food is a fairly common practice, theres a lot of chefs that give food away to friends and PA mates as well (theres nothing wrong with helping out a friend).
jealousy isn't childish
Yes it is, it's also a sin called ENVY
...refusing to admit when you're wrong or when others are right...or accusing people of doing the same thing you're doing. nearly every other poster in this thread leaves open the possibility that they don't know everything, or that they could be wrong...all but 1.
I never said I know everything, quote the post where I said "I know everything"
and if you read apulieus' post...he's not jealous of you...far from it...he's most likely annoyed that you value your BE/tailor partners so lowly. he wants you to pay your BE's/tailors more...what they're worth...how is that jealous? pity for others is not jealousy.
OH SORRY, I forgot that you play with me in gameALL the time, and can actually truely account for how much I value my tailor and my BE. Making a statement like that is saying that I dont beleive you value or loveyour mother. I have no exposure to you to even remotely make a statement like that, nor do you or Apulieus have the experience with me to know that. Also, if you base how much you value someone on any kind of monetary value thats really sad. Money is not the end all of the game.
Message Edited by Saitek on 03-24-2004 09:17 PM
Fact #1) People can price anything anyway they want
Fact #2) Noone can do anything about it"
Sorry!! I will add your copyright in !
Cyene wrote:
"So here are some facts:
Fact #1) People can price anything anyway they want
Fact #2) Noone can do anything about it"
Copyright 2004 Cyene Smack Talk Industries
Hey, that MY line!
Cyene
