Carbineer Archive
Thread: A question from a BH
dexer
Tue Jan 25, 2005 10:48 am
#53
BH as a template should be < Jedi. The advantages of first strike alone (when used properly) should make up for that deficiency.
Dactac
Tue Jan 25, 2005 11:08 am
#54
Hey all.
Just wanted to mention that teras kasi fighters actually were created to challenge the jedis and hold down the jedi population so i think that a tka should be the only one to stand up to a jedi and combine that with a BH u should get a person that actually could challenge even a knight of course once u get a higher rank there should be no challenge in killing a BH after all the higher ranking jedis are supposed to be near master lvl and we all know that there are no person equal to a jedi master in the starwars univers. so simply let the BH hunt the padwans and lower lvl jedis, and let it always be 1 on 1 that would be the only fair thing.
remember how easy mace windum killed Jango fett one of the greatest BH there where.
just my thought. the stuff about tka i read somewhere cant remeber where.
ArianSix
Tue Jan 25, 2005 11:41 am
#55
The odds of a BH winning (even a ranged one) aren't too bad actually. The trick is to get the right equipment, foods, buffs, etc all working together.
I know quite a few BH Jedi hunters who are quite successful (they kill Knights as well as noobies). Even ranged ones with a better than 50/50 success rate. These guys also work solo.
I, myself, have been killed by a BH solo. I was at the wrong place at the wrong time... 1 minute I'm there then a few seconds later I was dead. He caught me with buffs down talking to friends. It's dirty, but I was fair game and he got me.
RangedBH areconsidered pretty easy by Jedi but that doesn't mean that they should be shrugged off. I've had quite a few close calls with ranged players (1 on 1 again). There are some pretty amazing things ranged BH can do if they're properly equipped and prepped for the mission.
In my last BH fight (a duel with a BH friend) I would have lost if he caught me with buffs down. Buffed, though, I managed to take him out.
As far as losing goes, I feel a lot better when I'm killed 1 on 1. It sucks to lose but it usually took a good fight to get there. Getting ganked just leaves a bad taste in your mouth and wasn't really fun for anyone.
I'm sure many BH feel the same way... about getting killed by the Jedi and not the Jedi and his 20 friends, no?
-- A6
JemyM
Tue Jan 25, 2005 12:06 pm
#56
50% / 50% - 1on 1
No ganksquads
Only when both are buffed
Only when the jedi clearly abused visibility
No rebel bhVS rebel jedi
And for that matter, the BH should be able to take missions on other professions as well, such as smugglers or people with -5000 faction.
If this where it, it would be fun.
But now its:
83% / 17% 5 on 1
Ganksquads
Waiting towhen the jedi is unbuffed
Against players that did their best to hide but got run over by people wanting them to end up on the terminals....
... and rebel bh hunting rebel jedi ...
and people uses nifty tactics to make sure the jedi looses a million xp instead of what he normally would according to the rules.
Somewhere the Jedi vs BH stuff is more an open war than a personal player vs player situation... where people try to exploit the problems with swg to win... and this is no fun.
HolyDiver0
Tue Jan 25, 2005 12:51 pm
#57
A very simple solution. A Jedi should never recieve ANY visibility from anyone that he/she kills. Dead men do not talk. This has been thrown around on this forum for a long time but it must make too much sense for the devs to implement it. This would encourage Jedi to stay and fight and could not be exploited.
neelong
Tue Jan 25, 2005 2:33 pm
#58
CollectorOfShoes wrote:
By killing a BH that has a mission on you - you should reset your visability - and get off the terms.
This could not be exploited - if at the same time, the jedi name was removed from the terms.
The Terminal should only hold jedi who are online.
First of all I am a Jedi, so this being a BH troll is not the case. But if the Jedi visibility cleared after the BH was killed by the Jedi just exactly how would that happen? It would seem to me the Bounty Hunter guild would try to find the BH that went after the Jedi, after many missed communications it would seem to the BH guild the BH was dead and they would need to send out more Bounty Hunters to Hunt this Jedi until he is dead. The visibility should only reset when the Jedi is killed when the BH collects his credits and brags to his fellow BH'rs about his battle.
sparksfly
Tue Jan 25, 2005 2:52 pm
#59
50/50
Sometimes I really wonder what our two professions really have to do with each other. If its just an excuse by SOE for not designing the path to and the profession of Jedi correctly? ...or... This is their version of roleplay?
Not sure, I guess this thread isnt going to mean much until we all find out the real future of our game via CU...
Barb-Wire
Tue Jan 25, 2005 3:47 pm
#60
when im out doing my BH thing im MBH and master carbine. i can take out a unbuffed knight with a little effort. anything less than master saber 1v1 and its a win for me. the only skillset i have difficulty with as a BH is someone with a great deal of powers in their build the more powers the less chance i have of winning.
since most jedi disdain powers its a win for me.
but as wookieogre said i as a BH get to pick the time and place of the fight and get to use everytrick and psychological tactic i can think of to win. this is a HUGE advantage that most people severely underate. when a unarmed, unbuffed bounty hunter can contrive a situation in which the mark gets incapped merely by using /say and /tell that is a pretty powerful weapon.
most BH just ride in and start slugging away blindly. its the ones taht cruise around as a MBH using ranged weapons and wearing no armour or buffs... those are the BH you should really fear.
so BH being raised tot he level of jedi 1v1... dunno i think its prety good right now. i go after knights and novices alike and my track record against knights is actually better than on the less skilled ones 
GenTesla
Tue Jan 25, 2005 4:11 pm
#61
I enjoy my encounters with the scum of the galaxy :-) I enjoy it more than the dumb GCW as its more personal if you know what I mean.
The one thing that does irritate me is I am the content for them as they get rewards I dont. The only Jedi that gets any reward ags MBHs are FRS knights and I havnt finished my trials yet grrr. I would like to see padowans if they kill a BH eliminate the BH from taking any Bounties for a period of time, a kinda disgrace period if you like. We still stay on the terminals as now but at least you the jedi gets some minimal payback and can hurt the BH in a way thats not skill debilitating for the BH or credit loss (as he can still grind pve missions). I have seen people suggest BH lose XP, I would agree if they had the super grind we have, but we should be able to inflict at least some inconvenience to them. It suits RP beautifully too, you failed your last mission and no one wants to offer you a new hit until you have served your punishment kinda thing.
The BH tef system too should be altered to force 1 BH v 1 Jedi, so no gank either side, even with multiple BHs taking same mission, first one shoots get the tef. Having first strike is a huge advantage anyway and you can template yourself to take out any jedi with the right stack and I think most BHs would like the idea of guaranteed 1v1. Knights are perma overt so bring yer gank squad to take them on if ya like as per usual.
The one thing that does irritate me is I am the content for them as they get rewards I dont. The only Jedi that gets any reward ags MBHs are FRS knights and I havnt finished my trials yet grrr. I would like to see padowans if they kill a BH eliminate the BH from taking any Bounties for a period of time, a kinda disgrace period if you like. We still stay on the terminals as now but at least you the jedi gets some minimal payback and can hurt the BH in a way thats not skill debilitating for the BH or credit loss (as he can still grind pve missions). I have seen people suggest BH lose XP, I would agree if they had the super grind we have, but we should be able to inflict at least some inconvenience to them. It suits RP beautifully too, you failed your last mission and no one wants to offer you a new hit until you have served your punishment kinda thing.
The BH tef system too should be altered to force 1 BH v 1 Jedi, so no gank either side, even with multiple BHs taking same mission, first one shoots get the tef. Having first strike is a huge advantage anyway and you can template yourself to take out any jedi with the right stack and I think most BHs would like the idea of guaranteed 1v1. Knights are perma overt so bring yer gank squad to take them on if ya like as per usual.
SithLord2010
Tue Jan 25, 2005 4:19 pm
#62
miodac wrote:
Simple question, what do Jedi expect from the BH element of the game. Do you want a one sided a fight in which 90% of the time jedi will
win or a 50%/50% in which the best tactics win, or indeed do you want to feel hunted with the odds against you ?
I am curious I have seen lots of what I class as whinging on both sides. As a BH I pretty much ignore jedi except to challenge them 1:1 when
I am particularly bored. I dont use droid bombs as it feels like cheating and have a 100% failure rate (being a range BH doesnt help).
I dont particularly mind losing, I can see that if my experiences are typical how the bad feeling and a lack of willingness to take BH missions
could build up, and I got to wondering if that is what most jedi really want i.e. just tobe left alone free mostly from the threat of being hunted
down.
Thankyou for your time
1 vs 1 or 1 vs 2 with a 50/50 chance. I used to be a bounty hunter long ago.. in the beginning of the game.. and had it until i could start hunting jedi. I caught up with quite a few.. and killed a few.. but *I* roleplayed it. If they could recite the jedi code to me I would cancel the mission. (Even though that meant no money and tremendous wait times on shuttles). Most of the jedi whom I killed.. even though they'd just losta "life" in the old system seemed happier about it because it wasn't.. "I ownzors joo noob!" and billed as roleplay.
SithLord2010
Tue Jan 25, 2005 4:25 pm
#63
CollectorOfShoes wrote:
By killing a BH that has a mission on you - you should reset your visability - and get off the terms.
This could not be exploited - if at the same time, the jedi name was removed from the terms.
The Terminal should only hold jedi who are online.
Wisdom this one speaks, listen tothem you should.
okon
Tue Jan 25, 2005 5:46 pm
#64
How about when a BH loses, he cannot take another jedi mission for so many days depending on the level of jedi he attempts to kill?
Swurve
Tue Jan 25, 2005 6:56 pm
#65
Speaking as both a jedi and a bh perhaps if a bonus was put in place for the jedi if they win against a bh with there mission. Could have kind of a tally in your profile saying so many bhs defeated, but for each bh or a set number of bh's killed you get a bonus added like less force cost for actions or a bump in your force pool err whatever you get the point. Maybe a percentage like for every 5th bh killed you get a 5% bonusand have it capped at like 25% for example.
Have the tally and bonus cleared upon db by a bh with your mission to help keep the more powerful jedi from showin off everywhere and all the bhs that make the tally cant be counted more then once to avoid the killin over and over of friends to gain the bonuses.
Swurve