Carbineer Archive
Thread: A question from a BH
ZarienYage
Tue Jan 25, 2005 9:17 am
#40
Something definantly needs to be done with same faction hunting. It makes no sense that a rebel BH can come for a Rebel jedi with as many people as he wants but the rebel jedi's friends can do nothing to help take out the BH. They can only heal the jedi during the fight.
The main problem with this is alot of imp BH guilds are making rebel Bh characters to get around the tef system and it just aint right. When a BH activates his mission I think all faction rules of engadgement should cease to exisit and anyone grouped with the Jedi should be able to help in the fight. Granted if the BH comes solo then the Jedi should fight solo if he chooses to fight at all (and there really is no reason for a fully templated jedi to run from a 1 on 1 or 1 on 2 fight) because if a bh comes solo to fight and the jedi has all his buddies join upto gank the BH that BH will just get pissed and come back next time with his own gank squad.
miodac
Tue Jan 25, 2005 9:19 am
#41
I actually really like that idea, one thing I see alot of amongst fellow BH is a complaint about how long the investigation grind is. It does as
you rightly point out pale into insigificance compared to even FS grind let alone jedi grind.
I would also like to see BH become a much longer grind requiring months of dedicated game play to become the best and to be able
to hold my head up high when representing this prof. I want a fair chance of taking on jedi and am prepared to pay the price in terms
of dedicaiting myself to the profession.
Will the developers buy into this that is anyones guess.
ameew
Tue Jan 25, 2005 9:20 am
#42
I agree zarian, if a bh can betray his faction and attack a same faction jedi, then the group should be able to attack him even if they are the same faction as the bh. Faction meant nothing to the bh, why should it matter to the jedi's group?
miodac
Tue Jan 25, 2005 9:24 am
#43
Yeh if you attack a faction aligned player you should get TEFed for that faction simple as.
ameew
Tue Jan 25, 2005 9:28 am
#44
This is off topic too... but they really need to decide if jedi hunting can be a group thing or if it can only be a solo thing.. and stick to it. Not make it so one partycan bring a group and the other party has to sit and watch.
Ebei
Tue Jan 25, 2005 9:37 am
#45
Usually when im out minding my own business a group comes after me. I have gotten used to defending myself against groups of up to 4 (1 BH and 3 tef riders). When i first started outI didnt mind the one on one battles but a jedi that knows how to pvp and knows his skill inside and out can be more dangerous then a pack of BH's.
Also on the same note, I used to be a MBH and i always enjoyed the stalking and catching the jedi offguard with the sudden surprise attack. Unfortunately it hasnt been the same since they set the timers between weapon changing.
But as for the original question, if your going to be a jedi in the FRS then it should take more then one BH to take u down, and for a regualr jedi knight, they should be on or just above the same level as a MBH. Even as a jedi, I feel BH's should have more defenses and that something should be done to halt the dabbling into other proffessions. Why master marksmen just to be a TKM with invest III?
Dlek_Krego
Tue Jan 25, 2005 9:43 am
#46
ameew wrote:I can see what your saying dlek, but how would you do that.. make it so the bh loses skills by failing... or give the jedi uber xp by killing him.. both would result bad.Message Edited by ameew on 01-25-2005 07:31 AM
Clear a portion of the visibility upon completion. If the Jedi wins, he should earn the right to live until he screws up again, not til the bh goes right back to the terms to get the mission again and round up a posse of ganksters.
Message Edited by Dlek_Krego on 01-25-2005 08:54 AM
Dlek_Krego
Tue Jan 25, 2005 9:44 am
#47
ameew wrote:then all that would happen is jedi would kill thier friend bh over and over... just wont work
how is this different than combat medics healing friendly tumblers over and over?
Baerlekker
Tue Jan 25, 2005 9:45 am
#48
Berdelsan wrote:It depends on the level of the jedi.BH taking a mission on a knight should not be a 50/50 chance.
Agreed,
in a straight up fight the jedi knight should just about win every time, at knight level..and thats pretty much how it is...if im buffed, meet a bh head to head...i win the vast majority of the time with my finished template. There are plenty of lower level jedi that range from easy to challenging for a bh to hunt, but the years of grinding the jedi should earn you something over a 2 week wonder bh template.
Now, thats not to say a BH cant take a knight..I see it all the time..you just have to use your head, be crafty! There are times when even a knight is as vulnerable as a lamb. You just have to pay attention and find out when that is.
Taking down a knight should be intensely challenging for a bh..not just ho hum killed another knight today..come on folks..this is pretty much the pinnacle of achievement for a bh, dont you think it should be hard?
ameew
Tue Jan 25, 2005 9:45 am
#49
perhaps... but all i have to do is sit in a house and wait for my friend to find me on the terms and come let me kill him again... after a few times of this he wont find me anymore and done. I know, i dont like it either but there is no way to reward a jedi for killing a bh without making a penalty for unsuccessful bh's
Willvas
Tue Jan 25, 2005 10:01 am
#50
actually you are wrong...they should clear visibility on a jedi dbing a bh...
why?
simple jedi might stay and fight...
but it wont work...what would stop a fellow bh from going to get my mission to let his friend jedi kill him?
simpletake names off of missions....
end of story....
Baerlekker
Tue Jan 25, 2005 10:02 am
#51
miodac wrote:Simple question, what do Jedi expect from the BH element of the game. Do you want a one sided a fight in which 90% of the time jedi willwin or a 50%/50% in which the best tactics win, or indeed do you want to feel hunted with the odds against you ?I am curious I have seen lots of what I class as whinging on both sides. As a BH I pretty much ignore jedi except to challenge them 1:1 whenI am particularly bored. I dont use droid bombs as it feels like cheating and have a 100% failure rate (being a range BH doesnt help).I dont particularly mind losing, I can see that if my experiences are typical how the bad feeling and a lack of willingness to take BH missionscould build up, and I got to wondering if that is what most jedi really want i.e. just to be left alone free mostly from the threat of being hunteddown.Thankyou for your time
I have a jedi right in the middle of the knight trials...and i have a couple of observations..
Its not really that cut and dried..the skill level of the Jedi varies as wildly as that of any other profession..literally..a brand new jedi padawan would be lucky to take out a womprat lair with a lightsaber without having to run and heal, Whereas, as a jedi with a finished template, you can walk tall in rancor valley and take anything out there in under 15 seconds.
So to answer your question..i think the 50/50 bh - jedi encounter comes somewhere around where the jedi is half done. After that..the bh is going to have to use the advantages inherent to the system to win.
So, once the jedi is pretty far along, the bh has lost the clear cut combat superiority but still has his major advantage - which is he decides when, and where, to engage.
You always have the element of surprise, you dont have to walk up on a knight who is full of vercupti, synth and thak with a full mind buff and try to kill him...there are better times.
So while I no longer fear a one-on-one toe to toe battle with a bh..I still have respect for the profession..and at times when im vulnerable, im acutely aware of it..and it still makes me nervous. That says a lot for the power of your profession.
And I still run...sometimes..even with a full template. Some of you are truly bad bad toons, and you have my respect, my fear even. Thats prestige.
Prestige comes to those who do the hardest thing the best.. not to those who wallow along with 50/50 chances.
Baerlekker
Tue Jan 25, 2005 10:34 am
#52
Dlek_Krego wrote:
what i want from the Jedi vs. BH relationship is not so much in the battle itself, but a balance of the outcomes. As it stands now, for the Jedi, there are only penelties and no benefits for winning, and penealties for losing... either way, when a Jedi stays to fight a BH as it stands now, win or lose...we still lose.
This is true...and in grinding my template I had some dark dark moments.. one time I was on my way to train a 1.6 million box that was really hard for me to get.. and i got ganked in the starport...I just about quit then and there, that one cost me about 2 buffs worth of regrinding.
However..keep at it and youll have the experience I had last night..
Im riding around lok and I notice a same faction dot that is behaving in a by now oddly familiar fashion..shadowing me from a distance..watching what im doing but never going very far away...so I speed fast away in a straight line headed toward nowhere..just to make sure...yup sure enough hes after me..so I check my bags for goodies make sure ive got vercupti, thak and brandy ready to go..hmm an hour left on the mind buff...im ready, and i hope this guy brought his A game cause hes gonna need it.
Chow my food, stop, store my speeder so the it wont get blown up...I dont need it anyway..I have forcerun2 now, which pretty much guarantees my escape as long as I make the decision to run soon enough.
The guy rides up, I target his speeder so I can kill it right away...I suffered so much from these guys coming up that I love to make em pay, anyway I can, hate has made me strong. He stores his speeder first thing..this guy knows what hes doing...I notice hes got a powerhammer..hes a stacker...and hes coming for my mind..im glad I have a mind buff and was able to drink a brandy.
Guy turns red, and its game on..hes spamming intimidate and I cant keep it cleared so I give up on that..hes hitting my mind but not badly..I can watch it out of the corner of my eye and drop a heal on from time to time.. he notices this too and switches to tka...hes gonna try and get me flopping...which im not going to allow...good thinking on eating the thak...hes good at sticking dizzies but he cant knock me down.. he can posture me down but I clear the dizzy before I stand up and dont flop. Im healing here and there...and my forcebar is holding up okay. Now its time for me to get on with killing this guy, I can hold on for a long long time, but not forever..
I drop a couple of flurries on him..to land the states..blind, good, stun good..hmm no dizzy, and thats the one i really want, so i lay on a couple more flurries, and a couple more...hmm no dizzy..this guy has phenomenal dizzy resist..I can see that aint gonna happen..and I finally land one..give him a saberthrow to knock him down that aint happenin either..hes on thak too i bet..ok slash for a posture down, thatll get him flopping..slash slash slash slash..no dice.. he wont posture either, and by now his dizzy is gone again..time for plan B, this guy isnt gonna flop, im gonna have to go toe to toe with him..and see who outdamages who.
Im a little upset that I wasted so much force trying for a dizzy/kd when I see how easy it is to hit his mind. I drop head hit after head hit and I see im really tearing into his mind now.. he gives up on trying to dizzy/kd me too...and goes right for the big hammer...were just trading head hits now..I have a half forcebar left, and hes losing mind fast..I see now that im gonna win..unless he really comes up with something good..he starts using warcry which slows me down quite a bit..and I have to heal a little more...but im gaining fast and before long hes down, and I DB him with no preamble or delay whatsoever...all the times these guys killed me during the grind, and all the hours and hours I spent regaining lost xp have made me callous.
And that folks...is the win for the Jedi, the day you easily handle a stacked, skilled, Bh who knows what hes doing, and handle him easily..its all worth it at that moment.