Carbineer Archive
Thread: BH Based Templates
TAfirehawk wrote:
I can beyond a shadow of a doubt tell you that 4440 Fencer and 0043 Pistoleer with Master Carbineer does not have enough DEFENSE to stand up to even a mid-level Jedi.....so those Pistoleer defenses are a waste for fighting Jedi....I have first hand knowledge
This is why I brought up that point.
It is incredibly important when building a PvP or Jedi-hunting template that your template be built with one and only one focus. Every skill point spent has to advance focus of the template. Anything else is waste and puts you at a disadvantage to the players that focus their templates.
With respect to Jedi, it is important to realize that you have no defenses even if you spent the skill points to get them. They ARE going to hit you. Thus, if you are going to hunt Jedi, you need to focus soley on your offense. You need to kill them faster than they can get to you or once they get to you, you are dead.
It is important to realize that what works in PvP does not neccisarily work for PvP vs Jedi. If Jedi hunting is your thing, you must adjust your template and tactics accordingly.
novamarine wrote:
TAfirehawk wrote:
I can beyond a shadow of a doubt tell you that 4440 Fencer and 0043 Pistoleer with Master Carbineer does not have enough DEFENSE to stand up to even a mid-level Jedi.....so those Pistoleer defenses are a waste for fighting Jedi....I have first hand knowledge
This is why I brought up that point.
It is incredibly important when building a PvP or Jedi-hunting template that your template be built with one and only one focus. Every skill point spent has to advance focus of the template. Anything else is waste and puts you at a disadvantage to the players that focus their templates.
With respect to Jedi, it is important to realize that you have no defenses even if you spent the skill points to get them. They ARE going to hit you. Thus, if you are going to hunt Jedi, you need to focus soley on your offense. You need to kill them faster than they can get to you or once they get to you, you are dead.
It is important to realize that what works in PvP does not neccisarily work for PvP vs Jedi. If Jedi hunting is your thing, you must adjust your template and tactics accordingly.
Sowhich would be better to haveMBH, Carbineer 0/4/3/4, Pistoleer 0/0/4/4 or MBH, Master Carbineer, Pistoleer 0/0/3/0?
You say focus on offense (and only one)so the dual master would be the obvious choice, or does it benifit you to have that extra defense from pistoleer?
Does dropping that carbineer speed actually matter?
I also have a question for you old timer carbineers. I already know sprayshot is the best carbine special, and being a BH the whole time I love the BH carbine specails. Besides crippleshot what other carbineer specails are worth using?
mikek82 wrote:
Sowhich would be better to haveMBH, Carbineer 0/4/3/4, Pistoleer 0/0/4/4 or MBH, Master Carbineer, Pistoleer 0/0/3/0?
You say focus on offense (and only one)so the dual master would be the obvious choice, or does it benifit you to have that extra defense from pistoleer?
I think your best carbine based optionsare M.BH/M.Carb and 1000 Medic, M.BH/M.Carb and Brawler (intimidate) or M.Carb/BH 3400/Medic 2000/Brawler. Which one of those is superior is going to be debated for a long long time.
I also have a question for you old timer carbineers. I already know sprayshot is the best carbine special, and being a BH the whole time I love the BH carbine specails. Besides crippleshot what other carbineer specails are worth using?
In 1 on 1 vs a Jedi, suppresionfire2, scattershot2 and chargeshot1/2 (depending on what your favorite KD is).
In PvP...chargeshot2, scattershot2, fullautoarea2, burstshot2, suppresionfire2, actionshot2....many of them.
In PvE...all of the cone specials are very useful.
novamarine wrote:
TAfirehawk wrote:
I can beyond a shadow of a doubt tell you that 4440 Fencer and 0043 Pistoleer with Master Carbineer does not have enough DEFENSE to stand up to even a mid-level Jedi.....so those Pistoleer defenses are a waste for fighting Jedi....I have first hand knowledge
It is important to realize that what works in PvP does not neccisarily work for PvP vs Jedi. If Jedi hunting is your thing, you must adjust your template and tactics accordingly.
Message Edited by Thrasia on 07-15-2004 09:02 AM
mikek82 wrote:
-just what does scattershot do?
novamarine wrote:
I used the character builder at swgbounties.com to build a few Carbineer builds with BH to see what happens. As players achieve them over the next week, please come in and comment on them. For now, we can discuss them. I broke down the offense and defense for a bunch of what I consider to be some of the most solid variations. I threw in a Pistoleer-based build at the end because it is pretty solid as well and might be tempting to someone who wasn't tied to carbines. Please note there are 2 versions of Fencer and Carbineer. Pay attention to the subtilties.
theres a better character builder on bloodfin.org, but you wouldnt know, cuz your from Wanderhome
Kaelle_DB wrote:
mikek82 wrote:
-just what does scattershot do?
I'm not sure if we know the exact details on it... but I'd say a general description would be that it does damage at a 7.5x modifier (same as crippling shot) distributed randomly between all 3 pools.