Carbineer Archive
Thread: Its official: The class has died and now the carbineer board is dead
shadowist wrote:I'm sorry but Carbineer is BY FAR the MOST broken combat proffession in the game.
We can't even fight without buffs, all of our specials are broken, we do crap damage, our weapons BLOW.
ANY combat class ca OWN us now.
Message Edited by shadowist on 02-17-2004 01:13 PM
why would you be fighting without buffs? surely it costs 6k, but comon, we all know how easy money are to come buy these days.
just yesterday, I went to dant, after being buffed for 6k, to hunt pikets. was hunting for 2 hours. sure i lag, so it takes me 15-20 mins to complete both missions, but in 2 hours, thats 6 sets of 2 missions, each 8-9k. thats 108k + the money that you get for selling hide (~4k at 3 cpu = 12k).
Revenue -- 120k
Cost -- 6k
Profit -- 114k
you should always have buffs anyways, not only for pikets. in every duel everyone uses mion, neox and other powerups. why would you battle naked versus armored people?
thats just dumb.
we dont do crap damage, and our weapons dont really blow. if you are a true carabiner, that is a master, you shoot fast and you shoot strong. Not to mention you can get a 400max carb easy.
most of our specials dont work as intended, but some DO work. Surely it is not chargeshot spamming excersise anymore, now you actually have to learn how to use the specials. But surely you are not THAT lazy?
Guys like this always make me laugh. You want one all-powerful special with the best effect and the lowest ham without any encumbrance.
sad.
1.I don't think that we should be forced to rely on buffs just to keep from killing ourselves with our own specials.
2. ***Which combat class is as broken as carbineer?***
3. I never relied on one special, howeverchargeshot 1was our only real way to actually use "crowd control" on anyone, and it had it's limitations.
We went from having something that was very useful to having the worst knockdown (if you even want to call it that) in the game, and the sad thing is that so many people complain about chargeshot 1 saying: " Well the only reason you took carbineer was for chargeshot 1. "
The only thing carbineers REALLY had going for them (particularly in pvp) was chargeshot 1, which shows you just how broken this profession really is.
Sure you can argue that if you want to, but the point is that they took away the last special that actually made thisprof worth a crap.
I don't care if they nerf/fix it, I just hate that they nerfed a class that really needed help, without giving us anything in return.
That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. From day 1 BH'swere overpowered and were the top of the food chain and always the primary reply was "we should be, we spend so many SP to get here", as if spending SP on scout should somehow justify combat power. That was a load of crap even back then and the only reason people took BH was because you got more bang for the buck in mods over carbineers.
Few people ever used to take BH to master cause they could just dabble in one tree and outgun a master carbineer everytime. I about fell out of my chair with laughter to hear a BH claim they aren't getting any love when carbineer has been broken from day 1 and now they wanna begrudge us our counterattack mods when it's ALL WE GOT!
Noone here is gonna feel bad for the poor BHs, that prof has had its hayday and it's about time it gets balanced down a little.
lol
Well i sorta agree the SP thing is such BS as a master doc/BH carbine 4 will own a master carbineer/master doc. And the abbility to add a master crafter prof and stillbe a master carbineer as i was makes little differance. Or to stack it with Swordsman(tried that too for a few days). or even to use it as a ranged counterpart to TKA which let me tell you works very well. Heck the great thing about carbineer is the nice damage good stats best ranged KD even after the nerf, highest damage mod in the game some good status effects and decent defences all stacked with almost ANY other prof you feel the need for.
i have to say you are alittle bitter5 ant fail to see that this is a sp based game bh because they have to master 2 sup porfs as little more than a SP sink should get more vaule out of there other lines. Yes i was once a BH but Carbineer was my very first prof and i have done all Elites except pike and commando so i know alittle of where i am comming from.
Carbineer needs to be fixed and the other guy stated that as well but your idiotic statement that BH is overpowered or that they dont need fixes makes it clear you have never done that prof or even payed any attention in game.
Message Edited by Ciirybeccaskyr on 02-19-2004 01:19 PM
Actually you didn't read anything I said bud, I NEVER said they still are overpowered. In fact just the opposite, I've said BH has already HAD their hayday. Pay attention if you're gonna criticize.
I said it's sad to see BHs come in here and cry for love when you at least have had a chance to be strong at the game and carbineers have NEVER been...god I hate people who only read every 3rd word and think they got the point of a post...YOU MISSED IT ALL FRIEND...so move along if you can't keep up 
That may be how Counterattack is supposed to work, but like many things in the Carbineer profession, it doesn't work that way. In my experience, Counterattack works the same as Dodge (without the animation). There's another thread on this now.
Vevy wrote:
umm that's not true, read the mod on your skills page, you get a free unblockable attack...I see it in the combat spam all the time too. it's pretty much the only good change we've gotten since launch
Kubernetes wrote:
As for your definition of Counterattack, I have no idea what your talking about. Have you ever checked out your combat spam? You don't get a free attack. Counterattack is the same thing as Dodge or Block. The reason it's called Counterattack instead of Dodge or Block is just to give it a different name.
Message Edited by Vevy on 02-17-2004 12:57 PM
Mafaza wrote:
Anyone who thinks Master Armorsmith/Master Anythingcould be a remotely usefultemplate is hopelessly lost.
What you Carbineers need to understand is that what's good for the goose is good for the gander. I can assure you that any BH with any sense whatsoever wants to see Carbineer fixed, as it will not only make Carbs better, it will make BHs better. Actually, if what the Devs say is true (we'll see), Carbineer should be much, much more powerful with the publish. Hope so.
Vevy you have absolutely NO idea what you are blabbering about. Go play as a BH for a while before you start telling us how we should be. BH's were powerful back in the day before armor and buffs. Eyeshot was king until people starting wearing comp helms. VERY few serious pvpers are BHs. Your reasoning that because they were powerful once and are now nerfed so they should not be fixed is pathetic. I'm sorry you are so bitter. I started out as a carbineer, then became a BH, and now I am a carbineer again, so do not tell me I dont know what its like. If you hate carbineer so much, try a different profession for a while.
BH is severly gimped right now. The entire point of a BH is to hunt down bounties. Bounty missions got severely bugged last patch. And thats in addition to the fact a MBH with the entire accuracy line of Carbineer still cant hit a defense stacker. Yes, carbineers have many things that need to be fixed, but denying another hurting class a fix just because yours is not is selfish and rude. Anyone who has been a BH in the last 4 months was certainly not in it for the 'uberness' Quit living in the past...
Heh heh.
Dropping AS WILL ABSOLUTELY MAKE YOU A BETTER CARBINEER if you put the points into BH, doc, swordsman, medic, commando, marksman, brawler, etc.
OK, back to the BH boards so that I can whine.
I am in my own forum hun. I dont have BH anymore or even carbineer
(although i will be mastering it for the 3th time again soon) but you are correct in that there is no point discussing this further with you cause anyone that cant see that the game is based around SP (everything else is a renewable resource) and BH is required to master scout as a sink to keep people from mastering it and something else say armorsmith ro doc or any othger prof for that mater because that would be overpowered
You obvioulsy let this game that you should be playing to relax get you WAY WAY to upset if after 6 months of BH being a sub-par prof you still hold a grudge aginst all that have enjoyed that aspect of the game