Carbineer Archive
Thread: Jedi got you nerfed.
Rebal,
I agree with and understand some of your distress at my post. I've come to the belief that anyone who is not a carbineer and does not face the problems we face ingame now shouldn't post here because they aren't using the profession witht he current state it's in, the fact is, I'm tried of noncarbineers (including ex carbineers) posting their opinions repeatedly when their opinions are based on what carbine was and not what it is, or they have absolutely no experience with what they are talking about.
I agree that to an extent charge shot was fixed but you hit the nail on the head when you said we need something unique, previously that had been our unique talent
Get your panties out of a bunch, it was a joke post I made. You will do much good by flaming me in here I'm sure, get over your righteous self and laugh about it. I never spammed CS myself, I just found it funny that everything we touch turns to sh1t. 1 star me if it makes u feel like a man, who caaaaarrrees. U guys can't hold a candle to the BHs and Pikemen, so whatever, go bleed all over the forums, it doesn't mean anything.
novamarine wrote:Actually, I think it is the bounty hunter's that got chargeshot nerfed. Chargeshot had been the way it was prior to this patch since the patch where the Devs added the KD timer. They flocked into the class just for the special and spammed it like no tomorrow. The special became hated and the nerf cries chimed in.So, blame the bounty hunters not the jedi.
I'm sure novamarine knows what he's talking about on this. If you read the posts of the nerf-cyers, it really seems that most of them indicate a severe unbalance indicative of combo professions rather than strict carbineers. Many of them refer to bh specials combined with charge shot rather than exclusively charge shot, which does hardly any damage.
kubakabra wrote:"I was being slightly facetious about solo krayt hunting. That's just the reputation that charge shot seems to have with other professions. Frankly, I always found that I needed at least one other to help out, as nothing in the carbineer repertoire does any substantial damage to a krayt. Yes, of course there are professions for whom it's easier. I've heard that riflemen have a pretty easy time with a t-21 and conceal shot, but as I've never tried rifles, I wouldn't know for sure. "lol, yeah, a pretty easy time in that the rifleman has a low chance of being attacked, but conceal shot does low damage, and Krayts have rather high resists. While this feat has been accomplished before, it is no easy task, and would take a long time.
You'd actually have an easier time using conceal shot on that nightsister boss-like npc axdia min or however it's spelled, the one in the cave. Same with the nightsister elder.
kubakabra wrote:"I was being slightly facetious about solo krayt hunting. That's just the reputation that charge shot seems to have with other professions. Frankly, I always found that I needed at least one other to help out, as nothing in the carbineer repertoire does any substantial damage to a krayt. Yes, of course there are professions for whom it's easier. I've heard that riflemen have a pretty easy time with a t-21 and conceal shot, but as I've never tried rifles, I wouldn't know for sure. "lol, yeah, a pretty easy time in that the rifleman has a low chance of being attacked, but conceal shot does low damage, and Krayts have rather high resists. While this feat has been accomplished before, it is no easy task, and would take a long time.
Lol...yeah, I would have imagined that to be the case, especially for giant or ancient krayts. I was told that with conceal shot, a rifleman could solo anything in pve, but I was skeptical that it would be an efficient method of dispatching something with seriously-high HAM.
Ron_in wrote:
Rebal,
I agree with and understand some of your distress at my post. I've come to the belief that anyone who is not a carbineer and does not face the problems we face ingame now shouldn't post here because they aren't using the profession witht he current state it's in, the fact is, I'm tried of noncarbineers (including ex carbineers) posting their opinions repeatedly when their opinions are based on what carbine was and not what it is, or they have absolutely no experience with what they are talking about.
I agree that to an extent charge shot was fixed but you hit the nail on the head when you said we need something unique, previously that had been our unique talent
It's just I feel that there are some people posting here, and who are causing distress, when they are not members of the carbineer community and theydo not have the correct background (or current status) to be of any real help to our profession.
herrrmit wrote:
To Vergigorm1990 and Pandaboy:
I was being slightly facetious about solo krayt hunting. That's just the reputation that charge shot seems to have with other professions. Frankly, I always found that I needed at least one other to help out, as nothing in the carbineer repertoire does any substantial damage to a krayt. Yes, of course there are professions for whom it's easier. I've heard that riflemen have a pretty easy time with a t-21 and conceal shot, but as I've never tried rifles, I wouldn't know for sure.
Before the krayts were put up in the 300-400k ham range, it was actually rather easy to solo a krayt. KD and stack bleeds til you get some good ones to stack. Then chargeshot/crippling combo spammed would keep it pinned and the crippling shot would actually hit the action bar a few times. I could solo giant krayts in about 8min using this method in the past when krayts didn't have huge ham.
I'm really sorry everyone is upset that chargeshot1 was fixed, but carbineer had the most overpowered attack in the game beforehand. Now I agree, more needs to be fixed, but when just a carbineer and rifleman can solo dark jedi masters and the NS boss lady with no other help, something needed to be done.
chaoskiller wrote:
herrrmit wrote:
To Vergigorm1990 and Pandaboy:
I was being slightly facetious about solo krayt hunting. That's just the reputation that charge shot seems to have with other professions. Frankly, I always found that I needed at least one other to help out, as nothing in the carbineer repertoire does any substantial damage to a krayt. Yes, of course there are professions for whom it's easier. I've heard that riflemen have a pretty easy time with a t-21 and conceal shot, but as I've never tried rifles, I wouldn't know for sure.Before the krayts were put up in the 300-400k ham range, it was actually rather easy to solo a krayt. KD and stack bleeds til you get some good ones to stack. Then chargeshot/crippling combo spammed would keep it pinned and the crippling shot would actually hit the action bar a few times. I could solo giant krayts in about 8min using this method in the past when krayts didn't have huge ham.
I'm really sorry everyone is upset that chargeshot1 was fixed, but carbineer had the most overpowered attack in the game beforehand. Now I agree, more needs to be fixed, but when just a carbineer and rifleman can solo dark jedi masters and the NS boss lady with no other help, something needed to be done.
Actually, juvenile krayts have only about 50k ham, and I still wouldn't have tried to kill one without a partner. If you mean when you say a carbineer and a rifleman that they are working together, then it isn't solo-ing, but I also wasn't aware that a rifleman and a carbineer could take out 'the NS boss lady' as spellwearvers and above have 100% resists to all but kinetic and restraint damage (though there are plenty of professions that, when combined between two characters, could easily accomplish this feat). When I went one-on-one with a spellweaver once, I tried stacking the pre-nerf actionshots on her, but she was able to heal herself faster than I could bleed her (maybe this is why a rifleman can do it...mind bleeds?). Please tell me your strategy on this; I'm curious. If you were saying that a carbineer and a rifleman could each truly solo 'the NS boss lady' or dark jedi, I really don't believe it; as I said, there's no way I could even kill a spellweaver solo without supplementary skills or a specially looted carbine that has an uber poison DOT (I don't even know if such exist.). This leads me further to believe that novamarine is absolutely correct that it is not strict carbineers that got us nerfed for game imbalance, but carbine dabblers who have uber skills in other areas, though I am skeptical that even a bh dabbler would be able to solo an NS elder (as bh's are novamarine's primary alleged culprits). I could be wrong, I admit, but let me know how; I want to hear how I can solo them, trust me. LOL.
element123 wrote:If you guys are referring to charge shot.....that didnt get nerfed. It got fixed.....it was broken. Everyone new this would happen it was just a matter of time.
no dumbass, it got nerfed. you wanna know why its a nerf? because it effectively renders carbineer useless. By all definition of the word nerf the "fix" to chargeshot was a nerf. Nothing else to it.
Obviously, you aren't a carbineer, so you wouldn't know the precise details of it being a nerf. Well, let me explain them to you, to relieve you of your ignorant stupidity. Carbineer no longer has any viable specials. Our best specials right now are all random pool damage, and generally hit health, which can be healed instantly, and they can't even be fired at the speed cap if you want a higher damaging carbine.
Thats why it was a nerf. With CS1, we were actually a viable PvP class, now we're just free FPs for any overt that comes along.
I've already learned to fight w/o CS1 being spammable. Here is my new strat: FAS2 (hope it stuns/blinds), actionshot2, then CS1. then i switch to my PH, warcry1, intimidate, and beat the **edit** out of their mind. Even swordsman, despite the fact that 75% of swordsmans damage output came from bleeds and the bleed nerf made it a horrible class, is better than a carbineer. I only use my carbine when i'm being kited or when they're almost dead, and since everyone and their dog is a TKM (or an MCM/rifleman, but i couldn't fight those beforehand anyways) it's about 80% swordsman. Yep, I'm using my slighly less **edit**ed up profession.
Before one more person says that CS1 NEEDED to be nerfed, I will ask you if you've ever played a carbineer. If yes, i invite you to go play one now. If not, well then you obviously have no idea what the hell you are talking about and probably got owned by a BH/Carbineer or a Carbineer/Swordsman, either offense stacker or defense stacker, which definetly wasn't a loss due to nothing but CS1.
chaoskiller wrote:
herrrmit wrote:
To Vergigorm1990 and Pandaboy:
I was being slightly facetious about solo krayt hunting. That's just the reputation that charge shot seems to have with other professions. Frankly, I always found that I needed at least one other to help out, as nothing in the carbineer repertoire does any substantial damage to a krayt. Yes, of course there are professions for whom it's easier. I've heard that riflemen have a pretty easy time with a t-21 and conceal shot, but as I've never tried rifles, I wouldn't know for sure.Before the krayts were put up in the 300-400k ham range, it was actually rather easy to solo a krayt. KD and stack bleeds til you get some good ones to stack. Then chargeshot/crippling combo spammed would keep it pinned and the crippling shot would actually hit the action bar a few times. I could solo giant krayts in about 8min using this method in the past when krayts didn't have huge ham.
I'm really sorry everyone is upset that chargeshot1 was fixed, but carbineer had the most overpowered attack in the game beforehand. Now I agree, more needs to be fixed, but when just a carbineer and rifleman can solo dark jedi masters and the NS boss lady with no other help, something needed to be done.
Hehe...I've also wondered if tkms can solo krayts if they wear high-kinetic-resist armor and are buffed. I know armor=blasphemy to most tkms, but I'm curious. As I've stated in other posts, it wouldn't make my cry nerf if they can; that's good for them.