Carbineer Archive
Thread: Help Needed: Weapon Choice for a custom carbine
JanuHull
Fri Sep 17, 2004 2:16 pm
#27
FoeHammerOne wrote:
When you experiment on an advanced weapons stock you have 4 bars to chose for experimentation:
1. Damage. Increases the damage/wound chance and decreases the speed modifier of the stock.
I get mine to 40/40 .3 (note: that makes the weapon .3 speed slower, not faster).
2. Durability. Broken, this only works when crafting the weapon itself.
3. Effiency. Lowers the HAM costs of the stock.
4. Range. You can jack up the ideal range mod of the stock (increased ideal range mod of the weapon).
In order to get 40/40 .3 you have to spend all of your points on damage, leaving range usally at +10. Or you can jack up the range mod a lot, but the stock will be like 5/5 .9 w/o experimentation on the damage. Thats how you get +100 ideal range on carbs, but its not practical unless you have +100 speed and can cap any carbine.
Exactly, and I've got Carbine Speed to spare (121 with SEAs currently). I miss the damage a bit, but I like the fact that I can put what damage I can do on target with minimal failure.
Haywood
Fri Sep 17, 2004 2:34 pm
#28
I guess it is time for my two cents.
Most PvPers are Melee, and they assume that all their ranged defense and dodge will not allow them to get hit.
Most people I pvp against do not use 50% energy PSGs.
More like
40% Stun
40% Blast
40% Kinetic
40% LS
Maybe Acid or Energy at 40% probably both with LS being so screwed up.
I use two guns in PvP and I am very sucessful. I have a very good Kryat Enhanced E11 180-450ish 2.3 speed, and my Laser Carb 89-620 speed 2.4. These are my guns of choice. If my opponent is Melee I use the Laser, no ranged mitigation and I can hit for 400 (after armor, food, psg) If they have ranged mitgation then I use the Kryat E11.
What I love about the E11 is that it takes one tissue and with a decent slice (above 20%) you willget better damage than a non Kryat Elite with abest slice and the damage spread is about the same. The problem with the Elite is the fact it takes 5 tissues which is almost the same as the DXR6.
What many do not understand is that we need tofocus on the Carbineer here, he has+60 speed at master. We are not discussing a dam BountyHunter. Now, a Master Carbineer with +25 SEAs will still need a 2.8 speed gun to hit the speed cap. He will have to get an Imperial Stock and -.5 speed tissues with either the Elite or the DXR6 just to hit the2.8 seconds or he will have to go for a speed slice which will further decrease his DPS.
Many Master Carbineers (not bounty hunters) should stick with the Laser ( best overall weapon in the game for PvE), easy to get below 2.8s and the E11 (great carbine, good damage, excellent speed AP1, Drawback energy)
Message Edited by Haywood on 09-17-2004 02:54 PM
ElvisTheKing
Fri Sep 17, 2004 4:20 pm
#29
You all have been great. Thanks.
I think I am going to get a DXR6 and a Laser Carbine made.
I can look for some really good single tissues to have an E11 made as well. I havetwo +76 that I was saving and that might be a good choice.
Thanks again!
PanzerGR
Fri Sep 17, 2004 7:29 pm
#30
i have 2 PSG's left on my toon atm
both are LS vulnerable
50% energy
42% everything else
so i guess i still fail to see why the DXR6 is better.....but everyones experience is different, as you said. I also havnt been buying new PSG's lately so perhaps they arent as good as the ones I have now and leave more vulnerable. Last i checked tho most good ones on my server had decent resists to most stuff
TAfirehawk
Fri Sep 17, 2004 8:12 pm
#31
PanzerGR wrote:
i have 2 PSG's left on my toon atm
both are LS vulnerable
50% energy
42% everything else
so i guess i still fail to see why the DXR6 is better.....but everyones experience is different, as you said. I also havnt been buying new PSG's lately so perhaps they arent as good as the ones I have now and leave more vulnerable. Last i checked tho most good ones on my server had decent resists to most stuff
Well PSG's are acid vulnerable....unless that is 4+ months old 
KaceAverrod
Sat Sep 18, 2004 10:50 pm
#32
TAfirehawk wrote:Or a sliced PSG that only lets 50% or less go through
50% of the 80-90% already blocked by armor, I'll take my 261 min damage dxr6 over a laser or an elite any day
Elapidae
Mon Sep 20, 2004 4:17 pm
#33
Haywood wrote:
What many do not understand is that we need tofocus on the Carbineer here, he has+60 speed at master. We are not discussing a dam BountyHunter.
If they create a forum for Carbine/BHCarbine hybrids, then you can discuss just carbineer here. The bounty hunter forum is for discussion on bounty hunting, the carbineer forum is for discussing shooting things with carbines.
You just have to make sure that you specify whether you are talking MCarb or MCarb+CHCarb.
EisMan_Buckeye
Mon Sep 20, 2004 4:53 pm
#34
Haywood wrote:
...or he will have to go for a speed slice which will further decrease his DPS.
This is one of the BIGGEST misconseptions in the game for a carbineer. Speed slices are NOT bad. More often than not, for a pure carbineer, they are better than damage slices. Sure, it is better to speed cap without a speed slice ifyou have good SEAs or BH speed, but as you have said, that is not the case here.
Let's take for example a Master Carbineer with the privledge of a few SEAs. Let's say all in all he has +75 speed (a fair number, I think). Let's start withtwo common Elite carbines of 3.7 speed, 145-220 damage. Let's give one a 30% speed slice and the other a 30% damage slice. This makes the first (Elite S) 2.6 speed, 145-220 damage, and the second (Elite D) 3.7 speed, 189-286 damage. Here are the DPS results for each:
WeaponMax DPS Special Target No Armor (PvE) Target Light Armor (PvP) Target Light Armor and
Ranged Damage Mitigation
Level 3 (PvP)
Elite S 908.37 1135.46 227.09 271.49
Elite D830.68 1038.35 207.67 248.49
As you can see, the results are much better for the speed sliced carbine.
TAfirehawk
Mon Sep 20, 2004 6:39 pm
#35
EisMan_Buckeye wrote:
Haywood wrote:
...or he will have to go for a speed slice which will further decrease his DPS.
This is one of the BIGGEST misconseptions in the game for a carbineer. Speed slices are NOT bad. More often than not, for a pure carbineer, they are better than damage slices. Sure, it is better to speed cap without a speed slice ifyou have good SEAs or BH speed, but as you have said, that is not the case here.
Let's take for example a Master Carbineer with the privledge of a few SEAs. Let's say all in all he has +75 speed (a fair number, I think). Let's start withtwo common Elite carbines of 3.7 speed, 145-220 damage. Let's give one a 30% speed slice and the other a 30% damage slice. This makes the first (Elite S) 2.6 speed, 145-220 damage, and the second (Elite D) 3.7 speed, 189-286 damage. Here are the DPS results for each:
WeaponMax DPS Special Target No Armor (PvE) Target Light Armor (PvP) Target Light Armor and
Ranged Damage Mitigation
Level 3 (PvP)
Elite S 908.37 1135.46 227.09 271.49
Elite D830.68 1038.35 207.67 248.49
As you can see, the results are much better for the speed sliced carbine.
*watches EisMan beat deadhorse in the FAQ.....
EisMan_Buckeye
Mon Sep 20, 2004 10:02 pm
#36
TAfirehawk wrote:
*watches EisMan beat deadhorse in the FAQ.....
I had my hickory stick near by, so I said "what the hell." The damn horse keeps coming back. Must be a masochist. It was begging for it.
JanuHull
Tue Sep 21, 2004 7:25 am
#37
I just wish the Mayor of Carbineerville would just depop the damned cloner so it would stop coming back...
Matchew
Thu Sep 23, 2004 5:46 am
#38
If you guys honestly think a dxr6 is worth anything, then come challenge my character, Ahriman, to a duel on Wanderhome. I use a base damage sliced laser carbine, and everytime someone comes at me with anything but a laser, they are punished, and punished hard
Its people that use dxr6 carbines that give carbineers a bad name.
Its people that use dxr6 carbines that give carbineers a bad name.
TAfirehawk
Thu Sep 23, 2004 7:34 am
#39
Matchew wrote:
If you guys honestly think a dxr6 is worth anything, then come challenge my character, Ahriman, to a duel on Wanderhome. I use a base damage sliced laser carbine, and everytime someone comes at me with anything but a laser, they are punished, and punished hard
Its people that use dxr6 carbines that give carbineers a bad name.
Well my friend, if I could bring my full host of equipment and template without grinding it.....then you might change your toon. But at the same time, I couldn't damage you with similar equipment so it would be a draw....only a Jedi, CM, orDoT Dudeshave gotten any more than a draw out of me....
But hey, give us the stats on this "legendary" Laser Carbine and I can do the math from here.....
Or maybe I will have to place a call to Novamarine, who was on Wanderhome