Carbineer Archive
Thread: BH Carbine should be NERFED!
You need to chill with the nerf screams.
Besides..how's a BH suppose to be all elite if they suck cause carbineers cry nerf, then pistoleers, then commandos? 3 weaker weapon lines? That would be retarded.
A straight Master Carbineer will have +105 Carbine accuracy vs a Master BH with +120. He or She will also have +70 Carbine Speed vs a BH with +80. A Master BH will have +24 Ranged Defense vs a Master Carbineers +7. However, a Master Carbineer will also have +30 Carbine Accuracy While Moving, +20 Coutner Attack, +15 Defense Vs Knockdown, and +15 Defense vs intimidate. All of which a Master BH does not have at all. The Master Carbineer spent 92 skill points. The Master BH spent 217. This leaves the Carbineer with a lot more versatility for other things.
An Artisian or Entertainer type who picks up Carbineer should not be the best with a Carbine, however they can be good with it.
A Master Carbineer who picks up BH Carbine skills will indeed be the best with a Carbine; changing their Carbine Accuracy to +165 and their Carbine Speed to +125 as well as having the BH specials in addition to their own. This is something a Master BH can not do, they dont' have enough points to pick up all the Carbine skills to become as focused as a Carbineer has the potential to become.
A Master Carbineer can also go defensive and pick up things like +105 Defense vs Knockdown, +60 Defense vs Dizzy, +40 Defense vs Stun, +80 Defense vs Posture Change, +35 Defense vs Intimidate, +60 Defense vs Blind, Dodge +15, Ranged Defense +24(That is all from one combo of the available skill points a Carbineer has, there are many ways to go defensive). Again, this is something a Master BH just can not do.
There are things that are broken, focus on fixing them first. Otherwise you'll just have to rebalance everything again once they are fixed.
Ok sorry for the double post but also to answer your complaints...
1. Carbineer Should have better speed and accuracy than BH carbine. Its only fair given the fact that BH has LLC, pistol, and much better weapons to choose from.
--Carbineer might not have better speed and accuracy, but it has defense and other skill mods. ALSO, BH may have LLC, but it doesnt rival FT very much. The Scatter Pistol has 1/4 extra HAM and there IS no BH specific Carbine. That statement is totally worthless.
2. Fire Knockdown (is it torso shot..can't remember) is much more damaging than crippling. The only shot that has after affects is actionshot that a master marksman canhave as well.
--1. Yes it is Fire Knockdown. 2. It is NOT even close to as damaging as Crippling Shot. It actually does about less that 100 DMG unless your using an uber Carbine. Fire Knockdowns fire doesn't work either. Another statement that is worthless.
As you may see, your argument is worthless.
**Too add in a little more, you have to do MUCH MUCH more to be a Bounty Hunter than to be a Carbineer. It is only logical that you get some rewards for it.
To the original starter, I think you should change your topic to BH Carbine should be FIXED!
lol that carbine line is close to useless now after all the nerfs.
450 quickness, Crippling shot for me cost 119, charge shot costs 152, underhand shot costs me 208!
If ours is somehow better than yours, you need yours fixed very badly. In fact if it is worse than what ours is you might want to pick a new profession.
At least get up to date about BH's before you call for nerfs.
_Weevil Gromit
Sounds like Pistoleer ideas got over here:
Simple and Easy
level 3 Tier (fire knockdown level) is 172 skill points.
Master Carbineer is 92 points
you have enough points to master a starting class, or go master some other elite class.
Thats a lof of points:
Exp is more for carbineers, but exp can be gained over time
If you fight for a month, you will get more exp
if you play the game for a month, you will NOT get more skill points
First off, Bh carbineer... okay it has Fire KD, okay... but most of the BH carbineer are carbineers also, well most, so you may be fighting a carbineer with BH carbine witht he mods and other attacks they have. They choose to use the skill points to master all of carbine, others choose another profession so stop whining.
Only thing I do agree upon is the fact that Master Carbineers should be on par or a little better in aim/firerate then Bh carbineers.
BAH same thing I said in pistoleers what DEV's should do is make BH the way they intended, off the star wars fiction! Okay star wars fiction states in books and all that a BH ismore powerful in carbine and pistol than the most advanced carbineer or pistoleer. Hmmm so that mean's a master carbineer/pistoleer wouldn't stand up to par against a BH and the only reason they don't do it is because of the nerf wars between the 3 professions. Star Wars fiction again what the game is based off of with limits on it a BH should not be an elite class they should be the elite of the elite classes. In fiction it's #1 Jedi, #2 BH, #3Commando, #4 Creature Handler and so on. Carbineer/pistoleer are further down the tree so in all essence read up on your star wars facts then post on who or what should be nerfed!
Stop asking for nerfs if you think the BH carbine skill tree is better than take it up too you have the points to do so. Leave us alone please. Nerfs are killing the game. BH are masters of damage which is why we get the speed mods for each weapon. You have the option to these as well if you want them so stop crying about it.
Ridrek
Nothing personal, its just business.
You can nerf BH carbine when you have to master both scout and marksman to get to novice carbineer.
Shozen wrote:
As of the next big patch,Bounty Carbine speed and accuracy will no longer stack onto the speed of Carbineer.Same as pistol,Pistol speed of BH with no longer stack on Pistoleer speed.So no more uber dabblers like Taco and speedracerlo,also eyeshot being moved to Master Bounty Hunter is a big + to us pure carbineer's.
bleh, when I just decided to go up the Bh carbineer tree.... oh wellz, I stillwant the Fire KD so I'll stick with it... I gave up my 4/4/3/4 CH to go, and I don't feel like lvlingCH up again =D