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TAfirehawk

Wed Feb 18, 2004 1:24 am

#14

I lovemy DH17Short Carbine (without powerup but is sliced):

AS 2.0

Min/Max 98/331

Wound 18.9%

HAM 28/29/16

Ideal +26 @ 25m

But it does seem weird those you list are so close in stats, how was the experimentation done?

Iebas Feania
Former Correspondent of the Former Profession, CARBINEER

TAfirehawk

Wed Feb 18, 2004 1:42 am

#15

OK, they look cool

Iebas Feania
Former Correspondent of the Former Profession, CARBINEER

bioni76

Wed Feb 18, 2004 4:00 am

#16

Novamarine, Dh-17 is one of the best pvp gun out there!

Ofcource it depends on the apponent, if its a melee im fightingill use my dh-17 ( 138-348 as:1.8 )

seeing they never use armor.

With a dh-17 u can spam specials all they without penalty.

When it come to long range pvp against riflemens ill switch fast to my elite seeing it has AP.

There is more and more of those innercity pvp's now adays (imp crackdown), and it is there u need a fast, high damage, no HAM penalty gun i think!

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Pirassi

Wed Feb 18, 2004 5:20 am

#17

If they are unarmored , the dh-17 snub destroys them.

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novamarine

Wed Feb 18, 2004 6:01 am

#18

In PVP, ANYTHING destroys a person not wearing armor.

There really is a difference in the complexity on the PvP on the different servers. On my server, *EVERYONE* (melee, ranged, jedis, doctors, etc)that PvPs is buffed and in composite armor. If you don't do the same, you will die so fast it isn't funny. However, each server is evolving individually. Once your server gets a bit more advanced, you will see how futile it is to bother with the dh17 in pvp.

EfreaK

Wed Feb 18, 2004 6:28 am

#19

DH14 Short snub is mostly used in macros, where you rapidly spam effects on people.
Low HAM cost and handy for "slow" carabineers

mafo
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.Pwning Space One Galaxy at a time.

MorvenDee

Wed Feb 18, 2004 6:34 am

#20

C'mon it's only about a week since DH17s became questionable. Before that, they were an excellent PvP choice for anyone who used Charge Shot 1 due to the incredibly low delay with a speed slice and speed powerup. The devs had saidCharge Shot 1was working as intended soit was popular withpeople who wouldn't normally use an exploit.

I'm still using a DH17because I'm a Master Doctor/Carbineer in a PvP guild. My doctor skills have to take priority due to the heavy workload of cures, rezzes, dragging and buffs in a PvP battle. I find myself trying to land a KD or other effectto help my side, then hitting a doctor macro that begins with /peace. At 1.2 speed this gun is ideal forfiring a specialfast, then breaking off to do another activity such as a rez or cure.

Tale

weaponmaster88

Wed Feb 18, 2004 3:14 pm

#21

well i happen to love my DH17 short carbine.... i mean it did cost me 300k so i take very good care of it.... anyway its....

2.3 speed

150-550 dmg

and rather low HAM costs

i love that gun

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pentjaksilat

Wed Feb 18, 2004 3:17 pm

#22

bioni76 wrote:

Novamarine, Dh-17 is one of the best pvp gun out there!

dunno what server you're on, but dh-17 is absolutely worthless on flurry unless you just want composite to make you do 25dmg.

elite/laser are the best options, depending on if you fight against alot of mitigating opponents.

~pentjak

retired: 09/02/'04.

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bioni76

Wed Feb 18, 2004 6:17 pm

#23

Yes, i ment that my dh-17 kick ass against melee persons on my server seeing they hardly ever wear any armor!

When it comes to an apponent with armor ofcourse ill switch to my elite.

But this gun give me 3 times higher HAM penalty and gives less damage on an no armor apponent , thats why my dh-17 rocks

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DirthNader

Wed Feb 18, 2004 7:06 pm

#24

Any BH/carbineer should be ashamed to admit they use a DH17. The lack of armor piercing hurts this weapon in PvP and high level PvE. With no defenses and our small allotment of remaining skill points

you shouldn't waste them on medic, and therefore should be buffed and in full armor. HAM costs are meaningless in situations such as these. Considering we have no less than three other energy-based weapons that have either light or medium AP there is absolutely no reason any BH worth their title would keep one of these in their arsenal. I strongly suspect the ones that do fail to truly understand the way armor rating affect dps.

I can't speak for the pure carbineers, so I won't. That being said I think that Novamarine's opinion matches my own.

The artist formerly known as Ittov

Kevko_Casanova

Wed Feb 18, 2004 7:20 pm

#25

dh17 is worthless in PvP IMO

with people using 80% Energy or 80% Acid or 80% Heat composite, you need something with AP1 or AP2 to make any difference to their HAM, I personallycarry every single carbine available in the game (except CDEF)on me at all times just incase.

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former member of Ghost and Fobia.

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JangusFett

Wed Feb 18, 2004 7:35 pm

#26

novamarine wrote:

I find it shocking people still use the DH17 in PvP. I did a test with a friend of mine. I challenged him to kill me in under 5 minutes with a DH17. I buffed myself and put on my composite. He couldn't move my HAM bars.

Not even including damage mitigation, do you have any idea what composite with 50% (a low number) energy protection does to a DH17?

You high number of 500 is reduced by 50% and then 50% again. And that is AFTER the 75% reduction.

500 * 0.25 * 0.50 * 0.50 = 32 damage

And this is NOT including range damage mitigation which would significantly lower the 500.

Its all about hte armor piercing baby...ever wonder why your armor doesnt stop a T-21? Laser carbine is the only way to go if you want to be the most effective, but you need the right one.

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