Carbineer Archive
Thread: How good is Carbineer in PVP?
ZandorFelok wrote:
P.S. - Out of the 4 rifleman I have dueled (no armor no deathblow) I've won all 4 duels. Its all about the state effects, KD/Dizzy DIE!!!!
Riflemen are some of the easiest to duel as a Carbineer, because of their lack of state/posture defenses. 
I wouldn't base your success purely against that template, heh. It's funny because I used to fear Riflemen, but nowI barely see any in PvP. Our guild only has two (Riflemen/Fencers) and they end up using a Stun Baton 75% of the time.
Riflemen used to be one of the top classes, but the sheer migration towards 40 stun 80%+ base and PSGs along with better mind foods like Brandy and Canape has rendered this profession a generic PvP one.. not *uber* but not underdog.
Try dueling a Pikeman/Doc or Pikeman/TK/Fencer or a Fencer/TK/Pistoleer or anyone with Master Brawler. 
Heck, anything with DoTs, Doc or Defenses will give a BH/Carbineer a run for their money. The 3 "D"s as I call them can destroy an unequipped Carbineer.
AdmiralSpy wrote:
ZandorFelok wrote:P.S. - Out of the 4 rifleman I have dueled (no armor no deathblow) I've won all 4 duels. Its all about the state effects, KD/Dizzy DIE!!!!Riflemen are some of the easiest to duel as a Carbineer, because of their lack of state/posture defenses.
Riflemen used to be one of the top classes, but the sheer migration towards 40 stun 80%+ base and PSGs along with better mind foods like Brandy and Canape has rendered this profession a generic PvP one.. not *uber* but not underdog.
Try dueling a Pikeman/Doc or Pikeman/TK/Fencer or a Fencer/TK/Pistoleer or anyone with Master Brawler.
Addy is so damn right it's sick, Try dueling a dot pikeman/doc...I've beaten one or two, but only been my template (4-3-0-4 Carbineer, Bh carbs, TKM meditate, and pharm 4) for about a week or so, and I've torn through rifleman, Tkm, pistoleers, and 1 tkm/fencer stacker, the only people i have a problem with is a pike/doctor, and pikeman/anything for that matter, if they have DOT'S you better stay at least 45 meters from them, and kd them asap, trust me, there only 2 serious carbineers on my server, and two of them are in Addys guild ( addy and uncrow), and let me tell you, these guys rip through anyone, but the only ones i have ever seen giving them a problem are Jedi of course, and dot punks.
Also a tip to all carbineers, have suppresion fire in your toolbar, its a ranged support skill which makes people kneel....Dizzy+kneel=kd
Message Edited by bOoGiEman7 on 12-12-2004 05:49 PM
bOoGiEman7 wrote:
there only 2 serious carbineers on my server, and two of them are in Addys guild ( addy and uncrow), and let me tell you, these guys rip through anyone, but the only ones i have ever seen giving them a problem are Jedi of course, and dot punks.
Also a tip to all carbineers, have suppresion fire in your toolbar, its a ranged support skill which makes people kneel....Dizzy+kneel=kd
I'm so glad you joined us, Bushgator. Now you can remembered asone of the most veneered Carbineers on the server, along with the late Amro & Ypiana.
Indeed, anyone with powerful DoTs will kill a Carbineer, unless of course you're a Carbineer/Doctor, at which point.. you've got bigger problems to worry about..lol 
Some templates work out wonderfully with doc, like Fencer, Pikeman and even Rifleman.. due to the inherent nature of the profession and the defenses it has.. butCarbineer is unfortunately not one of them.
DoTs and Jedi will always be a problem for anyone of course, but a simple Carbineer has zero chance of success against either. The only real solution is to duct-tape an awesome Combat Doctor to yourself and defense-stack with Fencer/TK/Pistoleer. I don't know what I would do without our guild's doctors.. anything above 600 mind tick and I'm a goner (as anything under that can usually be controlled through foods.)
But actually, dueling Pikemen/Doctors boils down to:
A) Sticking a Mind Dot on them over and over until it ticks out
B) Dishing out enough Damage to the Health & Action bar so that they don't have time to toss themselves a heal. Using Dizzy/KD is useful, but if they're good doctors, this is pretty tough to accomplish.
C) Keeping them at bay and using ScatterShot2 over and over again.. which requires an awesome krayt carbine in order to out-do the natural mind regeneration and to last long enough to bring it down to zero.
It's just one of those templates that I accept I can't always beat. Carbineer would be FoTM if it won over all professions out there, after all.
Message Edited by AdmiralSpy on 12-12-2004 10:32 PM
AdmiralSpy wrote:
bOoGiEman7 wrote:there only 2 serious carbineers on my server, and two of them are in Addys guild ( addy and uncrow), and let me tell you, these guys rip through anyone, but the only ones i have ever seen giving them a problem are Jedi of course, and dot punks.
Also a tip to all carbineers, have suppresion fire in your toolbar, its a ranged support skill which makes people kneel....Dizzy+kneel=kdI'm so glad you joined us, Bushgator.
thanks addy means a lot to me, its hard to find support in the transition ive made. i beat 3 yesterday in theed alone, amazing what Snowcake,+ PSG+ 45+ powerboost + Synthsteak and thikatello can do.
hopefully we can fight side by side soon.
Message Edited by bOoGiEman7 on 12-12-2004 07:41 PM
bOoGiEman7 wrote:
thanks addy, i beat 3 yesterday in theed alone, amazing what Snowcake,+ PSG+ 45+ powerboost + Synthsteak and thikatello can do.
hopefully we can fight side by side soon.
Awesome stuff.
And yeah, I apologize if I've been neglecting any PvP tells from ya.. it's actually been a bad weekend in terms of being able to spend time logged on.. and it's even worse because it was the server-war, but no worries, I'll let you know whenever Uncrow and I are out there terrorizing the Rebel populace.
In other words, I won't treat ya likea fat kid in gym class..LOL
Message Edited by AdmiralSpy on 12-12-2004 10:43 PM
AdmiralSpy wrote:
bOoGiEman7 wrote:
thanks addy, i beat 3 yesterday in theed alone, amazing what Snowcake,+ PSG+ 45+ powerboost + Synthsteak and thikatello can do.
hopefully we can fight side by side soon.Awesome stuff.
And yeah, I apologize if I've been neglecting any PvP tells from ya.. it's actually been a bad weekend in terms of being able to spend time logged on.. and it's even worse because it was the server-war, but no worries, I'll let you know whenever Uncrow and I are out there terrorizing the Rebel populace.
In other words, I won't treat ya like a fat kid in gym class..LOL
Message Edited by AdmiralSpy on 12-12-2004 10:43 PM
/cheer
my pvp rating is 1591[not from jedis]
i kill anyone that doesnt stack dizzy/kd defence, offen hold my own against 2-3 people.
dont let that firehawk guy opress you, this profession is great IMO
zanzanEXPO wrote:
im a MBH/m.carbineer
my pvp rating is 1591[not from jedis]
i kill anyone that doesnt stack dizzy/kd defence, offen hold my own against 2-3 people.
dont let that firehawk guy opress you, this profession is great IMO
Carbineer and BH-Carbineer are two completely different things, before posting something like this, you should drop all your BH skills and try pvp again.
Carbineer without BH skills or attachments that cost millions of credits is very weak.
Like TA often said, this is the carbineer forum, NOT the bh-carbineer-template forum.
zanzanEXPO wrote:
im a MBH/m.carbineer
my pvp rating is 1591[not from jedis]
i kill anyone that doesnt stack dizzy/kd defence, offen hold my own against 2-3 people.
dont let that firehawk guy opress you, this profession is great IMO
Be realistic, having MBH is nothing like being a Carbineer....while it is good to talk about how BH works with Carbineer, this is still the Carbineer Forum.
Feomatar wrote:
CIO_DarkSaber wrote:So where IS the BH-carbineer template forum?I would go hang out at the BH forum, but too many kids and flamers over there.That's not what i meant... when somebody has bh 0400 and carbineer, this forum is the most fitting one of course.It's just thata bh-carbineercan't say "Carbineer is uber, i win all the time. Don't listen to the other carbineers here who say carbineer would be underpowered.", because only the bh mods make carbineer so strong for the bh-carbineer. Carbineer needs to be usefull as it is, without any mods of other professions...
Shouldnt this same argument hold true to enhancing carbineer with any profession though whether it be melee defenses or the healing abilities of a doctor? I think the true measure of how good a class is would have to be measured by someone that only holds skills in that class fighting someone else who only holds skills in a single class. While a BH/carbineer is stronger than a carbineer in combat they are not necessarily more powerful than a carbineer/doctor.
BTW, BH/carbineer is oooober in my opinion, although I can honestly say I have never faced off against one of these vaunted carbineers with melee defenses before. defense stackers can be dealt with, defense stackers with ranged attacks are a different nut to crack altogether!
galvatronicus wrote:
BTW, BH/carbineer is oooober in my opinion, although I can honestly say I have never faced off against one of these vaunted carbineers with melee defenses before. defense stackers can be dealt with, defense stackers with ranged attacks are a different nut to crack altogether!
It's not even a contest. Why? Let's examine what makes a BH/Carbineer so strong:
1) Speed: With attachments and/or FS skills and/or good speed-reducing tissue, a defensive Carbineer can easily speedcap any weapon a BH/Carbineer can.
2) Damage: Related to the above, since a defensive carbineer can use the same 4.0 speed weapon a BH/Carbineer can, and since both have CrippleShot and ScatterShot2, their damage is inherently the same.
3) States: BH/Carbineers cannot overcome 95+ state defenses. As a BH/Carbineer, inflicting states on a Defense-stacker is bad enough. While 120 KD defense may be a lot, keep in mind that the "effective cap" for any state defense is 95, because there is always a 5% chance of inflicting a state on someone, regardless of their defenses. That said, good luck tring to stun, dizzy or blind a defensive-Carbineer who has 80-90 to all states.
4) Posture/KDs: Related to the above, it is near impossible to KD a defensive Carbineer, or even posture change them
5) Specials: Underhand Shot, ConfusionShot, FireKD and SprayShot become worthless for the aforementionned reasons.
Now couple the fact that:
a) it's 100% ranged: Jedi and Meleer's eat you alive
b) It has no defenses: it's hard to stay up, easy to go down
c) you can't heal yourself: only novice medic or part medic dabbling works
d) lower damage compared to other classes (easily resisted with PSGs, 80% armor, steak, etc.)
And you've got yourself a great template that can also easily be destroyed.
galvatronicus wrote:
Feomatar wrote:
CIO_DarkSaber wrote:
So where IS the BH-carbineer template forum?
I would go hang out at the BH forum, but too many kids and flamers over there.
That's not what i meant... when somebody has bh 0400 and carbineer, this forum is the most fitting one of course.
It's just thata bh-carbineercan't say "Carbineer is uber, i win all the time. Don't listen to the other carbineers here who say carbineer would be underpowered.", because only the bh mods make carbineer so strong for the bh-carbineer. Carbineer needs to be usefull as it is, without any mods of other professions...
Shouldnt this same argument hold true to enhancing carbineer with any profession though whether it be melee defenses or the healing abilities of a doctor? I think the true measure of how good a class is would have to be measured by someone that only holds skills in that class fighting someone else who only holds skills in a single class. While a BH/carbineer is stronger than a carbineer in combat they are not necessarily more powerful than a carbineer/doctor.
BTW, BH/carbineer is oooober in my opinion, although I can honestly say I have never faced off against one of these vaunted carbineers with melee defenses before. defense stackers can be dealt with, defense stackers with ranged attacks are a different nut to crack altogether!