Carbineer Archive

The DH17 still has a place in your arsenal for PvP.

Kettemoor is seeing more and more PvP players fighting unarmored and more than that fighting without helmets.

Unleash Scatter2 on a guy with no helmet and you can remind him why its important to migrate those last few stat points to get his head covered.

Theres the numbers Im lookin for, btw I apologize for the last post, I had been awake for awhile, a long while. I went out too, with my dh17, fightin unarmored npc's, very fast kills, 1.4 spd gun, so would still be fast for leveling, not at master, so I see your point firehawk, and I should've leveled with one myself. Also I posted from a pvp perspective, which probably had no bearing in the post to begin with, but if the original poster plans on pvp'ing with carbs...I personally would go with a krayt laser/elite. The state of pvp now, you'll be hard pressed to do alot of dmg with carbs unless you set you're opponent up. I've come to know the mantra stun, intimidate, and blind......Most of these guys can't be kd'd so you've got to keep their damage output to nil, and open up their defenses. In the end this is why i don't use crippling shot, mind incaps are what wins, and scatter shot 2 is my only hope for that.

PS: once again I apoligize to the original poster, in noway did I mean to hijack the post, jus tryin to get my 2 cents in

LOL

No blood.....no foul

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TAfirehawk wrote:

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riseabove wrote:
/agreeI myself will always use laser carbs for the best ap, but they do lack a lil on ranged mods, and speed. But dh17's.......you'll never get one better than my laser carb....

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Please tell me the stats on your Laser Carbine......ignoring AP my DH17 Short Carbine is the highest DPS weapon I have

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Just a question, what are the stats on this DH17? This must be because you're not capped on speed I guess... I've got me +25 in attachments and +5 speed from master marksman, and it's the Laser Carbine all the way for me in PvE (except in special cases where I need acid or heat)

Jeez, what a perfectly good way to waste 1 mil credits, Laser Carbines are far better in many ways including the armor piercing rate- I personally use a DH17 shortnose for grinding with the higher min damage but when you hit master or with a few speed tapes, the Laser Carbine and even the DXR6 would shine more.

One thing said right, I'd whip out the DH17 for the speed and accuracy if I PVP a guy with no or little armor, most players I see PVP'ing without armor are those dodge stackers from pistoleer and fencer.

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Kaelle_DB wrote:

Why does every weaponsmith and non carbineer have a strange desire to waste krayt tissues on DH17s? For God's sake throw them on an E11 and get some AP at least.

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The AP 0 weapons always have stats as good or better than their AP 1 or higher cousins. Make a krayt DH17 and a krayt E11 and the DH17 will look better....on paper. It is just shady weaponsmiths trying to make a fast buck.

All unkryated, my main PvP weapons are

DXR-6: 230-390 4.1

Laser Carbine: 120-550 3.8

Elite: 230-420 3.8.

(Give or take 10 points on all stats, doing it off the top of my head)

Against mitigation III, I think Laser Carbine has the best DPS with its AP2, but the other 2 guns come close. I use the DXR-6 the most because of PSG's vuln to acid damage. All of them have over 50 to ideal range with the laser having over 70. Using Adv. Stocks really help if you hit the speed cap.

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jfang wrote:

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TAfirehawk wrote:

Don't think anybody here is "smokin' enough &*#$" to make a statement like that.....

BTW my weapons look like this against Ranged Mitigation Level 3 and 80% Comp Armor using CripplingShot:

Laser = 300 DPS

Elite = 296 DPS

DH17 = 164 DPS

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I jas looking through this thread again, and noticed something odd. Your Laser does moredps than your Elite, against a Ranged Mitigation 3 opponent? How did you pull that off?

In this case, besides not wearing out your gun and wanting to look different, is there any reason to use the Elite over the Laser? It seemstheLaser is strictly better than the elite(higher AP, equal or lower HAM costs, etc.).

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Used different tissues and didn't get slices I wanted....

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novamarine wrote:

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Kaelle_DB wrote:

Why does every weaponsmith and non carbineer have a strange desire to waste krayt tissues on DH17s? For God's sake throw them on an E11 and get some AP at least.

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The AP 0 weapons always have stats as good or better than their AP 1 or higher cousins. Make a krayt DH17 and a krayt E11 and the DH17 will look better....on paper. It is just shady weaponsmiths trying to make a fast buck.

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Us PvE types rarely care about AP rating

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TAfirehawk wrote:

Don't think anybody here is "smokin' enough &*#$" to make a statement like that.....

BTW my weapons look like this against Ranged Mitigation Level 3 and 80% Comp Armor using CripplingShot:

Laser = 300 DPS

Elite = 296 DPS

DH17 = 164 DPS

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I can't speak about everybody else, but if TAfirehawk says his or her laser carbine is doing more damage against a 80% composite Mitigation 3 opponent, I'm inclined to believe him or her, despite the fact it goes against all reasonable intuition.