Carbineer Archive
Thread: A question from a BH
DrakeyTheWizard
Tue Jan 25, 2005 8:34 am
#14
yeah give the jedi some xp for killing bh's thats a very good idea. so its worth both jedi and bh fighting each other as if they win they get good xp but if they lose they both lose xp. still think jedi should lose more as the game is ment to be hard for jedi 
WookieOgre
Tue Jan 25, 2005 8:43 am
#15
This is a very difficult question.
On the one hand, I do believe BH SHOULD be the profession that is meant toreplace Melee Stackersin the CU. Right now Melee stackers are probably equal or actually greater than a Jedi Knight depending on the template. We all know there is supposed to be a Rock, Paper, Scissors type combat system, Jedi should have advantages against most opponents but where they should be the weakest is against a MBH. Whether that weakness is by giving ONLY MBH LS resist armor or some kind of special that could lower passive abilities such as block. What I do know for sure is Melee should not be equal to Jedi in the next combat system, if anyone is MBH should be it.
Now it's hard to qualify whether someone should have a 50/50 chance lol. No matter what people say, some people are just plain better at PvP than others. Whether it is the food, tactics, weapon ect....they are just better overall when using them. So to qualify whether someone should have a 50/50 chance to win against a Knight is a bad way to look at it. Most of the top PvP'ers are Jedi Knights, so saying any MBH should have a chance to kill a Jedi knight 50% of the time is not right.
I would like to give MBH advantages when they are solo'ing against a Jedi and when there is group PvP (with Jedi). Like giving the ability to lower block in group PvP battles would prove deadly to all Jedi. That is something that could be done. However to make sure it is balanced for when a BH is hunting solo, using the special has a huge cool down period so they are not able to farm Jedi easily.
Make no mistake, BH will always get to group hunt Jedi which I have no problems with as long as Jedi will overall have the better skills to choose from when engaged 1vs1. Not saying a Jedi shouldn't lose 1vs1, per above that should still require skill in PvP, but Jedi Knights should be hard to solo no matter what advantages MBH gives in the CU. To make Jedi Knights exactly equal in power to MBH would be a slap in the face since we are the only profession that requires months of grinding as well as penalties and the constant fear of being ganked by squads.
CollectorOfShoes
Tue Jan 25, 2005 8:43 am
#16
By killing a BH that has a mission on you - you should reset your visability - and get off the terms.
This could not be exploited - if at the same time, the jedi name was removed from the terms.
The Terminal should only hold jedi who are online.
ameew
Tue Jan 25, 2005 8:48 am
#17
Ok, so.. if we allowed jedi to get off the terms if they killed the bh.. whats to stop me from having a friend get my mission and let me kill him. Without there being a penalty to bh's thats equivalent of the penalty to jedi, there cant be a reward to jedi for killing the bh, and therefore till knight no reason to stay and fight.
ameew
Tue Jan 25, 2005 8:52 am
#18
maybe a possibility is making bh a super class like jedi... something that you have to earn like jedi.... and therefor can impose penalties
WookieOgre
Tue Jan 25, 2005 8:52 am
#19
There can be no rewards for killing a BH. Reason being if it can be exploited it will be exploited. It's ashame that there is not a way to give a Jedi something to compensate us for winning, but from my vantage point I can see no way to stop people from exploiting it with friends.
At this point giving me a running counter of BH kills in my character stat so BH's know how many heads I've collected would be good enough for me 
ameew
Tue Jan 25, 2005 8:54 am
#20
Sorry, got way off topic. This is something ive thought alot about and feel strongly towards.. ill stop posting now 
CollectorOfShoes
Tue Jan 25, 2005 8:54 am
#21
ameew wrote:
Ok, so.. if we allowed jedi to get off the terms if they killed the bh.. whats to stop me from having a friend get my mission and let me kill him. Without there being a penalty to bh's thats equivalent of the penalty to jedi, there cant be a reward to jedi for killing the bh, and therefore till knight no reason to stay and fight.
Read my suggestion again...
If the names of the jedi where removedfrom the terminal - you couldnt ask your friend to get your mission.
The missions could be worth what they are today + a random sum (to prevent a BH friend to try to find your 86k mission)
Berdelsan
Tue Jan 25, 2005 8:55 am
#22
It depends on the level of the jedi.
BH taking a mission on a knight should not be a 50/50 chance.
ameew
Tue Jan 25, 2005 8:56 am
#23
Then all that has to happen is rich jedi pay bh's to let jedi kill them... and dont underestemate the power of friends... they'll look all day till they find the mission
Weaponsmith_Drake
Tue Jan 25, 2005 8:57 am
#24
I agree with the 1 on 1 aspect, but not the 50/50. I think it should be based on skill, many bh have died before me, i have died to a few. This was not due to skill, just the fact that i had had more practice. I think that a jedi over 200k on the terms should and is a real challenge for a solo bh, and this means the bh really has to be prepared. Its not impossible to solo any jedi, i know of 2 mbh on our server that could solo knights as master riflemen (*cough* 500str health fire *cough*). It shouldnt be a case of a bh taking a mission and expecting to win, but at the same time shouldnt be a case of the jedi not caring about bh, should be in themiddle but NOT 50/50. The odds of winning are calculated before the bh even picks the mission.
WookieOgre
Tue Jan 25, 2005 8:58 am
#25
ameew wrote:
Then all that has to happen is rich jedi pay bh's to let jedi kill them... and dont underestemate the power of friends... they'll look all day till they find the mission
I completely agree.
Nibo
Tue Jan 25, 2005 8:59 am
#26
I would like to see 1 on 1s, mostly because of the style of it, but I think there it should be a really tough job for the BH with a signifficant payoff. As the Jedi is the one that has something to lose even as he wins, and the BH has limited option of loss, but is the onlyone to have a gain, the difficulty should match that.
More possibillities for playerbounties would also be nice...the Jedi are now the standart bounty and I guess this is also a point where some frustration arises from - relative perception.