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Thread: SWG Solo Group Payout Petition ~ Please Read!
I can
A)Sit around crafting items, which generaly are crap items unless you can spend countless hours finding worth while materials, which is more of a chore then waking up in the morning and dragging my ass into work every day
B)Babysit harvesters in hopes of finding something worth selling, or keeping it and attempt to craft something that might actually sell
C)Get buffed and farm Kyrats in hopes of getting some tissue or pearl drops (Oh if only I was an imp and this was just after release and I had some AT-STs)
D)Get buffed and do runs through camped Tusken, DWB, GEO ECT for sparse dropping loot
Did I miss anything? Oh wait! Do missions over and over while trying to master BH for 2-10k payouts. WOOOOoooo I'm so loaded! I'l be able to pick up a good Geo pistol for 700k in about, a year. I play this game because I like [b]COMBAT[/b] and I like the Star Wars universe. This is a kick right to the nuts for me and anyone else who doesnt want to or have all the time in the world to run around with harvesters or sit around trying to figure out crafting macros.
Now I know nothing is going to happen about this since its full steam into the CU, but I pray to jebus that you guys as SOE figure out some way for a person who enjoys combat to make some serious credits because after CU happens you can bet your ass crafters will analintrude consumers on all the new weapons and armour that is coming out in the CU so I'm willing to bet your going to have some very upset people very soon.
(The people in this thread who are not complaining about combat professions have no means of keeping a steady income are A)Crafters/harvesters who spend hours on hours crafting B)People who made -millions- on exploits like the faction terminals that spawned missions inside citys which brings in C)The people who droped the FP on 3 AT-STs and run 30k missions and farm kyrats for months and months untill the issue was dealt/use AT-ST to get 30k payouts still or D)The lucky SOBs that actually managed to get a drop worth something and last but not least E)The veteran players who sold thier anti-decay kits for 10mil or more.)
Oddjob187 wrote:
So what, now using combat to make money is out of the question unless I managed to get a peice of loot?
I can
A)Sit around crafting items, which generaly are crap items unless you can spend countless hours finding worth while materials, which is more of a chore then waking up in the morning and dragging my ass into work every day
B)Babysit harvesters in hopes of finding something worth selling, or keeping it and attempt to craft something that might actually sell
C)Get buffed and farm Kyrats in hopes of getting some tissue or pearl drops (Oh if only I was an imp and this was just after release and I had some AT-STs)
D)Get buffed and do runs through camped Tusken, DWB, GEO ECT for sparse dropping loot
Did I miss anything? Oh wait! Do missions over and over while trying to master BH for 2-10k payouts. WOOOOoooo I'm so loaded! I'l be able to pick up a good Geo pistol for 700k in about, a year. I play this game because I like [b]COMBAT[/b] and I like the Star Wars universe. This is a kick right to the nuts for me and anyone else who doesnt want to or have all the time in the world to run around with harvesters or sit around trying to figure out crafting macros.
Now I know nothing is going to happen about this since its full steam into the CU, but I pray to jebus that you guys as SOE figure out some way for a person who enjoys combat to make some serious credits because after CU happens you can bet your ass crafters will analintrude consumers on all the new weapons and armour that is coming out in the CU so I'm willing to bet your going to have some very upset people very soon.
(The people in this thread who are not complaining about combat professions have no means of keeping a steady income are A)Crafters/harvesters who spend hours on hours crafting B)People who made -millions- on exploits like the faction terminals that spawned missions inside citys which brings in C)The people who droped the FP on 3 AT-STs and run 30k missions and farm kyrats for months and months untill the issue was dealt/use AT-ST to get 30k payouts still or D)The lucky SOBs that actually managed to get a drop worth something and last but not least E)The veteran players who sold thier anti-decay kits for 10mil or more.)
Eaca wrote:
Where did entry number 61 go on your site? There was no flaming, just disagreeing, and you deleted it. This is why your petition is worthless, because you only let people who agree with you get on board, there's no room for rational discussion, only "GIVE ME MORE MONEY NOW!!!"
NONE CAN DISAGREE!!!!
Apparently you didn't read my original post on this thread and you didn't read the introduction pages on the petition itself. No you cannot disagree. Let me quote myself:
HolllowStone wrote:
And please don't bother signing if you do not agree with this as any signatures on the petition will be considered a vote of agreeance.
What part of that was unclear? What part of that did you not understand? I thought it was very clear. This petition is for people who agree that a balance needs to be formed for combat profession mission payouts. It is not a place to disagree or get into arguments or even discussions about it. These forums are for discussing it not the petition. Believe me I'm getting enough flack from the Ahazi forum as it is. As I stated a couple of times before I feel like Larry Flynt, taking the heat to try and help everyone.
The sole purpose of the petition is to collect as many signatures as possible who are in agreeance with the need for a balance in the combat mission payoutsto show SOE that people feel a balance needs to be implemented. Not to show who agrees and who doesn't agree. You want to make a petition and have people who don't agree sign it, feel free. So yes I am deleting people who are signing the petition and not agreeing because, as I stated before, this petition is only to collect signatures of people who want a balance in the combat mission payouts. I've only had to delete 3 so far including yours so most people understood what I originally posted on these forums. One of the deletes was just someone flaming me and being completely disrespectful. I try to help the combat profession community and people disrespect me for it (Not saying you did. I had no problem with what you said other than it didn't belong on the petition because it wasn't agreeing). Again, I feel like Larry Flynt.
"Why do I have to go to jail to protect your freedom?" ~Larry Claxton Flynt
Regards,
May I ask in what way you believe your petition is in fact helping the combat community? I am not attempting to put your methods or reasoning down, I am however quite curious. Given the feelings of the Developers and Correspondants who have stated quite clearly in several forums that Petitions are not considered a viable way of instituting any change, and that only discussion on the Forums would be reported - Why take the petition off site, to give it what would appear to be absolutely zero chance of being seen?
Hollow_Stone wrote:
The sole purpose of the petition is to collect as many signatures as possible who are in agreeance with the need for a balance in the combat mission payoutsto show SOE that people feel a balance needs to be implemented. Not to show who agrees and who doesn't agree. You want to make a petition and have people who don't agree sign it, feel free. So yes I am deleting people who are signing the petition and not agreeing because, as I stated before, this petition is only to collect signatures of people who want a balance in the combat mission payouts. I've only had to delete 3 so far including yours so most people understood what I originally posted on these forums. One of the deletes was just someone flaming me and being completely disrespectful. I try to help the combat profession community and people disrespect me for it (Not saying you did. I had no problem with what you said other than it didn't belong on the petition because it wasn't agreeing). Again, I feel like Larry Flynt.
"Why do I have to go to jail to protect your freedom?" ~Larry Claxton Flynt
Regards,
Eaca wrote:
They fixed an EXPLOIT you cheater.
Eaca wrote:
They fixed an EXPLOIT you cheater.
150k an hr? thats pathetic even with the nerf i can make 3 times that in 45mins thro space
Since apparently nobody thinks they can make credits as a Combat profession = Let me give you the example how YOU, the COmbat character makes mony.
You're all what, buying the best Comp you can find, and slapping on your best weapon, and trying to do Janta missions for credits, aren't you?
Well,*I* can got to Tatooine, equipped with Chitin Armor and a VK, pull 5k missions and make loads of credits. I can do 30 missions an hour - That's 150k an hour. So, you'd get your "Good Geo pistol" that costs 700K in only FIVE HOURS. not a year. If you only do 1 hour a day, that's only FIVE DAYS, not a year.
No "Uber buffs and Comp". No "Uber T21" - Just Chitin armor and a pair of 6k Vibro Knucklers.
And if you can't figure out the math.. 1 hour a day for the 301 days I have played is 45 MILLION credits. But, I don't have 45 Million - I've had a lot more. Now I have a lot less. Know why? Because I spent it. You never know how much money you've had in this game, because you've SPENT it.
XanKrieger wrote:
150k an hr? thats pathetic even with the nerf i can make 3 times that in 45mins thro space
Since apparently nobody thinks they can make credits as a Combat profession = Let me give you the example how YOU, the COmbat character makes mony.
You're all what, buying the best Comp you can find, and slapping on your best weapon, and trying to do Janta missions for credits, aren't you?
Well,*I* can got to Tatooine, equipped with Chitin Armor and a VK, pull 5k missions and make loads of credits. I can do 30 missions an hour - That's 150k an hour. So, you'd get your "Good Geo pistol" that costs 700K in only FIVE HOURS. not a year. If you only do 1 hour a day, that's only FIVE DAYS, not a year.
No "Uber buffs and Comp". No "Uber T21" - Just Chitin armor and a pair of 6k Vibro Knucklers.
And if you can't figure out the math.. 1 hour a day for the 301 days I have played is 45 MILLION credits. But, I don't have 45 Million - I've had a lot more. Now I have a lot less. Know why? Because I spent it. You never know how much money you've had in this game, because you've SPENT it.
I think he was just trying to say how easy it is to make credits even with low end equipment... I remember running deliver missions,90cr a pop,to get up enough money to shuttle to another planet to check my harvesters, and then when I get there running deliver missions so that I can put money in them, to redeed them. Man those were the days. No fortunatly I been playing since launch and I am master WS/DE/Merch and my Wife is a Master AS/Arch/Art. We are loaded, but we are always paying money through the nose. I give an newbie that walks up to me and asks how to make money 50-100 cpu for any wooly hide the can get me... I tell them were to go and what to hunt, they can even run missions to get even more money out of it. I will give them free basic weapons, and free ubese armor. And I am sure that there are people like me on eveer server.
But as for crafters having all the money that is crazy... true I made about 17 million yesterday, but I also paid 3 million for some copper from a guy, and 13 million for 9 GDK scales, 9 Woolymander BF, 9 Gurk King Hide. These are all things that I non crafter can supply.
as far as this stupid petition is concerned solo mission were ruining the game, missions IMO are intended for beginners once you get to high level you shouldnt be wasting your time on missions, you should be hitting the Vette, DWB, Geo caves, NSs, or krayts or some other high end thing. And then selling the loot to the craftersand then you can use that money to resupply yourself.
maigy wrote:
XanKrieger wrote:
150k an hr? thats pathetic even with the nerf i can make 3 times that in 45mins thro space
Since apparently nobody thinks they can make credits as a Combat profession = Let me give you the example how YOU, the COmbat character makes mony.
You're all what, buying the best Comp you can find, and slapping on your best weapon, and trying to do Janta missions for credits, aren't you?
Well,*I* can got to Tatooine, equipped with Chitin Armor and a VK, pull 5k missions and make loads of credits. I can do 30 missions an hour - That's 150k an hour. So, you'd get your "Good Geo pistol" that costs 700K in only FIVE HOURS. not a year. If you only do 1 hour a day, that's only FIVE DAYS, not a year.
No "Uber buffs and Comp". No "Uber T21" - Just Chitin armor and a pair of 6k Vibro Knucklers.
And if you can't figure out the math.. 1 hour a day for the 301 days I have played is 45 MILLION credits. But, I don't have 45 Million - I've had a lot more. Now I have a lot less. Know why? Because I spent it. You never know how much money you've had in this game, because you've SPENT it.
I think he was just trying to say how easy it is to make credits even with low end equipment... I remember running deliver missions,90cr a pop,to get up enough money to shuttle to another planet to check my harvesters, and then when I get there running deliver missions so that I can put money in them, to redeed them. Man those were the days. No fortunatly I been playing since launch and I am master WS/DE/Merch and my Wife is a Master AS/Arch/Art. We are loaded, but we are always paying money through the nose. I give an newbie that walks up to me and asks how to make money 50-100 cpu for any wooly hide the can get me... I tell them were to go and what to hunt, they can even run missions to get even more money out of it. I will give them free basic weapons, and free ubese armor. And I am sure that there are people like me on eveer server.
Exactly. I was pointing out that with minimal supplies, and NO buffing, etc - Money can be had EASILY. I did NOT however go on to say that I can make 600 - 800k a buff session doing higher level missions WITH a buff. I also didn't mention that in space, in the same 3 hour Buff period, I can make 900k -1 million.
I'm sick of hearing "it's SO hard to make credits" from people - Especially when the exact opposite is true.
Message Edited by Diorchas on 03-04-2005 09:40 AM
Message Edited by Diorchas on 03-04-2005 09:41 AM
Diorchas wrote:
This is in response to the "$22/hr job" analogy.
I don't know about anyone else, but when solo groups were still in the game I KNEW that sooner or later they were going to be taken out. I took advantage of them while they were still allowed, but I did so knowing that it was aborderline tactic/exploit and that eventually it was going to be fixed.
Using your analogy, that would be like being offered a seasonal position at Disneyworld for $22/hr knowing that once winter came you'd need to go to another job. You enjoyed it through the summer and made plenty of money, but if you weren't making plans for moving on shame on you.
You should be happy the devs let it go on as long as they did, giving you an "extended summer", so to speak, during which you could make a lot of money.
You need to get over your sense of entitlement. No one owes you anything. The devs are trying to make a game that is both fun and fair. Part of that is ensuring that obvious workarounds and exploits are killed. Make peace with that and play the game to have fun instead of playing as if you believe the old maxim:
"He who dies with the most toys wins."
One of these days I hope people try listening to what others say. I do not feel that I am owed anything nor do I feel a sense of entitlement. I am doing fine in the game. My bank account is fine. No I don't have upwards of 10 million or anything like that but I can make money still doing missions, and I have a great guild who look out for each other. I am looking out for the balance within the game. You don't just take away a specific style of game plays way of making money expecting everything to balance out on it's own. They are going to lose customers in the long run. They have already lost customers because of this. Now you may say, "Good riddence" but it makes it worse for everyone doing it the way they did it.
All I am saying is offer it some balance. I am FOR the solo group nerf. I don't know how many times I have to say that. I just felt the Devs could have implemented some sort of balance to it until the economy lowered some. Balance, not recession.
And as far as me putting the petition off site, how could I put it on here? All I would get is people arguing like what is happeneing right now. Trust me, there are ways of getting all of those signatures on the boards when the time is right. Not to mention by doing this I have in fact generated a lot of discussion within these forums. Just look at us now. Go look at Ahazi's boards. My thread on their board is over 7 pages long lol.