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Let's see, played :

Earth and Beyond
EverQuest
Anarchy Online
Eve (very brief)
Ultima Online (very brief)

and a few others I can't remember right now...

Do you know what the common theme is between all of them? "I have put over a year/2 years/3+ years into -This Game-! -This Company- doesn't update enough and I'm tired of all these patches they push out! There are bugs and exploits to no living end and nothing ever gets done about it! Such-and-such Race/Class/Profession is more Uber/Nerfed than any other! -This New Game- comming out is soo going to kill -This Game-! Every body that plays -This New Game- is going to leave and never come back!" I can come up with more... but I hope I get my point a cross. Every game I have ever played, every game I have read forums on, all have the exact same problems. Bugs, exploits, bad customer service, not enough content, too many patches, expansions that come out too soon. You name it, I have seen at least a dozen posts about it in another game. All I can say is that I won't pay almost 200 dollars a year for a game I hate and only play for an hour or so a week.

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LuriAsmyr wrote:
Oh man, another person who does not understand/cannot handle the way MMO games operate...

Newsflash buddy, software drops in price over time. Bundles of expansions come out all the time. I saw Ultima Online: Samurai Empire on the shelf at Best Buy today, and on the box it said "Includes the original Ultima Online and all expansions to date!" or something to that effect. The price? $30. Does this mean that they're ripping off the customers who paid full price for the original and every expansion? No, it means that the value of the expansions has gone down over time and they are including everything in one box for a low price to entice potential subscribers. Would you cry foul if you bought an HDTV for $2000 and then 6 months later it was $1500 with a free DVD player included? Almost everything on the market works like this.

You are SERIOUSLY overreacting.

Message Edited by LuriAsmyr on 03-11-2005 10:21 PM

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Cry4Dawn wrote:
I have been doing MMO's for many years. I know how they work, now SOE is another story how they work.. Your dazzled by the coin they are dangling in front of your face and not awake to see the whole story

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I have also been playing MMOGs for years. Many of them. I have found that SOE, Cryptic and Mythic are about the only ones who care about their games. EA tires quickly of the profit they're making and shuts the game down, Blizzard caters to children and treats their customers as such, etc. For a long time I believed all of the rhetoric about SOE sucking, until I woke up and realized that there was actually a lot of dev <---> player interaction and, more importantly, player ideas were going into all of their games fairly frequently (PlanetSide especially). The only other companies that I see doing this for their playerbase regularly are Cryptic (CoH) and Mythic (DAoC). SOE's customer service is not the best on the planet, but they do well enough for me and I enjoy their games.

Your assertion that SOE has given us nothing since the game has come out is so laughably false that you are either ignorant of the mass amount of changes that have gone in or you are blinded by your hatred for SOE. You are a long-time player so it is obviously the latter. You say you rarely play SWG anymore, so why don't you just quit and go enjoy WoW for the month and a half that it will entertain you?

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Message Edited by St1lgar on 03-12-2005 11:14 PM

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Giamai wrote:

"God knows they have given us NOTHING for the 2 years of service we have."

I've been here since launch which is why this is the single most confusing statement ever...you actually think this game is the same as it has been since launch????

sorry but that statement alone killed any credibility your complaint may have had otherwise

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Believe it or not, this game was a better game in beta then it ever was in retail. There was a lot more FUN things to do in beta and more exciting then there currently is in retail. If you didnt play beta you would know what I am talking about. Dantooine use to be scary to run around with all the mobs. You couldnt even get across LOK without fear of dieing from all the nasty mobs.. If you got seperated from a group in LOK you were done

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St1lgar wrote:

Alot of dev <---> player interaction is bad for balancing a game... especially when the dev team members change so often like here and they listen to the wrong ideas...

Biggest problem of SWG is imo that it got released to early and is basicly borked from database to 3D Engine... and i personally dont think that their experiment to fix a game after it has been released almost 2 years will help the game. I personally like WoW alot more since its level based and requires group play ... also it offers exploration fun pure and every zone and the complete map design is well thought and made with love... Blizzard got my full attention with WoW meanwhile and i have to say they did an awesome job on a release while SWG looks crippled and broken compared to WoW ... no matter where you look at... SWG simply got released too early however it was nice for 2 years but new stuff beats SWG in so many cases... and yeah lost customers are lost customers... What they really need to do are some server merges and work on SWG 2 without player jedi...

Message Edited by St1lgar on 03-12-2005 11:14 PM

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You would rather the devs ignore everyone or spout garbage about "The Vision™" every time a player makes a suggestion? The PlanetSide devs communicate with the players constantly and far more than I have seen in any other game, and they are adored for it. The game is better because the devs interact with the playerbase. The game is pretty well balanced, so I do not think good dev <---> player interaction has anything to do with imbalances.

WoW's world is definitely more distinct than SWG's. But it is also a very tiny fraction of the size of SWG's world. SWG's planets may not have all of the tiny little details that make up WoW's world, but they are still pretty and fun to traverse. As far as grouping, no, it is not required in WoW at all. You can solo all the way to the highest level quite easily. Because of this, very few people group constantly. There is no reason to. It is interesting that you think they did a good job with their launch when it is widely considered one of the worst launches in the history of MMOGs, particularly because they screwed it up at a time when poor MMOG launches are a thing of the past (Cryptic launched CoH flawlessly well over a year ago, Mythic did the same for DAoC, EQ2 launched with a couple of very minor server problems that were squashed immediately not two weeks before WoW came out, etc.). They are still struggling with their servers, and it has been almost 4 months since the game came out. Unacceptable, especially with a game as mediocre as WoW.

I am not denying that SWG was rushed out the door, because it was. The game is still suffering a bit from that decision. But SWG has so much more to offer than WoW (and EQ2 even) that I am more than willing to deal with some bugs and wonky PvP combat. Does WoW have an extensive crafting system that allows the level of customization in SWG? No. Does WoW let you buy a house and put it where ever you want? No. Does WoW let you customize your own class and surrender skills so that you never end up permanently gimping yourself? No. Is character customization in WoW so detailed that you rarely, if ever, see a clone of yourself? Big no. Can you own your own business in WoW? Nope. SWG is so much more advanced in almost every way.

The expansion is good news, new content! however I don't think the expansion has enough in there to warrant a 24.99 or what ever it is price tag. Hence I my self am gonna wait until the price drops to 5 pounds like JTL and then buy it. Simply not enough in there, fair enough you get new creatures etc new caves but its same old stuff on a new planet. Also since I'm a crafter this expansion doesn't effect me at all so i don't have any need to buy it as I assume the resources you gather from the planet will be tradable to those with out the expansion.

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Cry4Dawn wrote:
I have been doing MMO's for many years. I know how they work, now SOE is another story how they work.. Your dazzled by the coin they are dangling in front of your face and not awake to see the whole story

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I have also been playing MMOGs for years. Many of them. I have found that SOE, Cryptic and Mythic are about the only ones who care about their games. EA tires quickly of the profit they're making and shuts the game down, Blizzard caters to children and treats their customers as such, etc. For a long time I believed all of the rhetoric about SOE sucking, until I woke up and realized that there was actually a lot of dev <---> player interaction and, more importantly, player ideas were going into all of their games fairly frequently (PlanetSide especially). The only other companies that I see doing this for their playerbase regularly are Cryptic (CoH) and Mythic (DAoC). SOE's customer service is not the best on the planet, but they do well enough for me and I enjoy their games.

Your assertion that SOE has given us nothing since the game has come out is so laughably false that you are either ignorant of the mass amount of changes that have gone in or you are blinded by your hatred for SOE. You are a long-time player so it is obviously the latter. You say you rarely play SWG anymore, so why don't you just quit and go enjoy WoW for the month and a half that it will entertain you?

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Cry4Dawn wrote:

I gotta tell you guys at SOE, you really think customers are going to run out and buy a wookie expansion after the broken promises we have had with SWG? It was bad enough we had to buy the space expansion due to you just didnt get it ready in time for the retail release of SWG. Why not released attack of the womprats, that sure would seem a lot more fun then the wookie planet. I am having a really hard time paying 15.00 a month for a game I rarely play because the promise of new content takes years to come about. There are still MASSIVE bugs from Jump to light speed and dont even get me started how bad the bugs are with SWG which have never been fixed. Now all of a sudden out of the closet instead of working on the stuff SOE should have been fixing we are going to create ANOTHER major problem into this game by adding the wookie expansion.

You have to be kidding me.. I honestly have to say this is the least SOE could do for us by giving us CONTENT for once is to give us this expansion. God knows they have given us NOTHING for the 2 years of service we have. SOE comes up with the combat revamp which to date still isnt publish and we have been talking about this for 18 months now. So the free stuff takes forever, but yet the Pay stuff comes out of the blues and HEY next month its here. NO THANK YOU, Not gonna do it and have my game that is majorly bug ridden be even worse. Its time to draw the line here

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wookiee's have alot of problems in game we have to spend more money on attachments cause we have to buy higher ones cause we can only were 3 pices of clothing with are armor we have no pre nerf stuff to keep our stuff lasting forever and we get a nice new explantion and all the other people can say is wookiee's suck cause we dont see anything in it for us

LOL, Blah blah blah. We all complain, we threaten to stop playing (some do) and it all boils down to one issue. Sony wants money, you and I want a fun game, you and I are willing to pay for said game and expansions... period. I've been playing for almost 2 years. 615 days to be exact and I still find new and interesting things to do.. why? There's constantly new content (and new aggravating bugs) to deal with. If I really didn't want to pay I wouldn't. If I really was fed up with the bugs, I'd cancel my account. That's all the rant I have in me right now.
By the way, if those pictures are real then Cry4Dawn is sooooo hot. Want to touch the hieney.

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Diaso wrote:
ok hold it a minute. You are a veteran player. Do you not remeber the old content? No Speeders, Corpse Runs, Novice Pistoleer was Godly, You never saw a jedi, lack of droids, etc. Come on, SOE has given plenty of content and beleive me SWG is better than other MMOs. I quit for WoW and was disgusted with the lack of interaction with players, the economy, and the lanscape. Go buy WoW and try it. I guarentee you will be crawling back to SWG. I will be purchasing JTL this week and ROTW ASAP.

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Yeah I really miss those days.