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Thread: PROPOSING A NEW PROFESSION

GTOfire
Mon Mar 08, 2004 10:42 am
#14

indeed, enough with the comics, that was their fifth mention in just 2 threads.


Now that I think about it, there is a connection between entertainer and brawler that can eb pulled from real life: capoeira (spelling is probably not correct.) It mixes dance and musical instruments with martial arts. It's not the most effective way of unarmed fighting, but it is a very good training for the body and mind, serving as support for more efficient martial arts.


Doesn't include whips of any kind though


As someone already mentioned, a whip can be used as a weapon, it's been done in fiction in the comics and in Indiana Jones. But in real life it's not all sun that shines. They're simply not effective against other martial arts. Because of their range you could get maybe one hit in if your opponent is not at point blank, but after that you need to wind back up for another strike, and your enemy will be on you long before you can pull one off. point blank is also a pointless range for whips. They're not melee, they're ranged with a very short range compared to guns.

Being used as weapons in fiction doesn't mean it's very sensible to do so, and while of course the entire SW universe is fiction, our other melee professions are relatively realistic in what they can and cannot do. Yes, even Unarmed Hit 3 is possible in real life, though will take a few more feet of space to perform safely



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wussynip
Tue Mar 09, 2004 7:16 am
#15

Raidon and all of youare so ignorant to the fact with half you SWG does involve Marvel Comics as well as expanded universe.What was made first the chicken or the egg. Marvel Comics was made first which makes it more of a tool then half these books which were written for money not Marvel Comics which did it for the fans. I could write a book to and make millions from you based on Marvel Comics then it will be placed in the game. See you have to base the game on4 factors Marvel Comics, Star Wars Specials, Dark Horse Comics and the books. Now about the origin of Boba Fett he was a robot under the armor how Lucas made him originally, Star Wars Christmas Special, Cartoon. For note Marvel Comics was made for the fans not for money.



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RaptosKhywalker
Tue Mar 09, 2004 8:30 am
#16






Marvel Comics are made to make MONEY. The Star Wars franchise is a huge cash cow Marvel didn't get the rights to because it wanted to be nice to the fans. It did it to make profit.



What came first? Star Wars - Episode IV - A New Hope and not some trashy Marvel comic.

Star Wars Christmas (Holiday, actually) special was not justa cartoon (it did contain a cartoon story, as I remember). Although all those involved probably wish it had only been a cartoon episode and not the cheesey sequances featuring the cast and some oldbloke I've never heard of.


This turkey of a television special was where the idea of the Wookie Life Day came from. If you've not seen it, as I guess you haven't by the fact you think it's just a cartoon, consider yourself lucky, it is awful. It's even worse than episode I.



My example of Boba Fetts background, not the one Lucas may have originally planned but the one written up in the the "official" novels, was to demonstrate how Star Wars literature could easily be ignored by Lucas if he so pleased. Until it appears on film nothings set in stone in the SW universe for George.




You could write a book and make millions? Go on then, what is stopping you? Wouldn't you want that sort of financial security for your family and friends? Stop wasting time here and get on with your novel. ROFLMAO

I'm resisting the urge to really insult you for that comment because I assume you are of a young age and have a long way to go till you finish school. If I'm wrong about that, well I've just insulted you anyway and you deserve it.


You have to base the game on ONE factor. The Films. You can then add parts that you deem relevant from other sources whether it's that Turkey of a Holiday special or other media like novels and comics and even previous computer games. To the majority of players the SW Universe is the one we saw at the cinema and on video. Most haven't read any of the follow up novels or comics.



For note, Marvelis not a charity, they are a company out to make a profit. The comics were for the Fan's money ordidn't younotice you had to pay for them?




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RaptosKhywalker
Tue Mar 09, 2004 2:34 pm
#17

That was the one of the hardest posts I have ever had to read.


Ok, no I don't know how much money marvel made from the comics but I do know they were made to MAKE MONEY and not to please you.


And I said Cartoon because that is what most people refer too when talking about about the cartoon so wear your diaper and wet it


What? This was about the Star Wars Holiday Special, wasn't it? I'll give up on that one it's making my head hurt.


And, Star Wars by Marvel Comics came out with the movie so there would be a comic book adaption to the movie which you were probably unaware of


Au contraire, I bought the comic when it was first released. It was upto week 3 before my Parents took me to see the film. They cut US comics into weekly editions for UK and added 2 extra stories to it, they were also black and white. The first issue of Star Wars had a message on the coverthat advised keeping it but, I was a child and it got pretty much ruined. Issue 1 and 2 came with a cardboard cut out X-Wing and TIE Fighter, neither of these "toys" looked anything like anX-Wing or a TIE. The comic was also crap, I stopped buying it shortly after the Empire story had run and we were back in the shakey hands of the Marvel writers. Towards the end I was probably buying it more for the back stories and thatfor the main one, I guess some of the problem was I was getting older.


And, this was only form fans your geeky comic book lover usually did not buy it


It was only bought by fans, probably because the "geeky comic book lover" saw how poorly written it was. Just to knock you off that High horse there, you are posting on an internet forum, dedicated to an Online Computer game based on a Sci Fi film. You are persistently ranting on the wonders of a Comic book...You have absolutely no room to judge someone else as a "geeky"


Anyway back to your post


Oh let me see they only did 107 issues because not too many people bought the comic if they did, Dark Horse would not have the rights to it.


107 months close to 9 years. So it ran until basically the interest in the films waned. Sometime after the RToJ story would have finished, they dropped it due to poor sales...That wasn't a nice thing to do to all those Star Wars fans, was it? Anyone would think that just because thecomic was no longer profitable they pulled the plug...oh, wait...They did.


It only started back up becuase of the 20th anniversary


Oh I see...Someone saw a market opening, interest was growing again, there is profit to be made here. I mean, they did it for the fans, really.


Marvel does not see a dime


No, but...


unlike Dark Horse who is making millions


Thankyou. I rest my case, someone is making money from it. If they weren't then it wouldn't be in print. I never said Marvel made money from it I said that was what they intended to do with the franchise and for a while, I imagine they made plenty from it.





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wussynip
Tue Mar 09, 2004 6:57 pm
#18

Tenant you know why 20% of the Marvel Comics were horably written take a guess who worte them George Lucas. He even proofread and corrected technical mistakes in the comic before printed. The black and white your referring to is writtenby a nobody who was definately not from Lucas Entertainement but needed to make a profit from a blockbuster movie. And, Marvel Comics Star Wars was not pulled from Stan Lee but George Lucas why he was not making enough money from it. George Lucas at one point in time was making movies for fans to enjoy. All that changed when Empire Strikes Back came out and secured his millions. He used to care about the fans now he approves everything written without proffreading or editting for technical mistakes. So after all that George Lucas has confirmed the electrowhip as the second most powerful weapon in the Star Wars Universe bring out the whips devs



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wussynip
Wed Mar 10, 2004 1:12 am
#19

Oh let me see they only did 107 issues because not too many people bought the comic if they did, Dark Horse would not have the rights to it. It only started back up becuase of the 20th anniversary it used to be $1.00 for back issues now it is up to $1,000 to $25 per comic, which how stupid you are Marvel does not see a dime. And I said Cartoon because that is what most people refer too when talking about about the cartoon so wear your diaper and wet it. Because obviously you do not know how much Marvel made. And, Star Wars by Marvel Comics came out with the movie so there would be a comic book adaption to the movie which you were probably unaware of and the only reason why they kept the comic book series alive was because of the amount of sales from Star Wars fans. And, this was only form fans your geeky comic book lover usually did not buy it except for the fans and they did not make an extreme profit unlike Dark Horse who is making millions. So know your facts and remember change your diaper.



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Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through Passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force will set me free.

Shz
Wed Mar 10, 2004 3:35 am
#20

well since u arent a sith and no one of us are i dont see why we should be running around with whips, wich sounds very stupid imo.



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RaptosKhywalker
Wed Mar 10, 2004 3:50 am
#21

Scan one the first pageof one of these 20% written by Lucas and post a link to the image. I want to see this Writer: George Lucas credit myself.


In one post you say he's a great script writer, actually hisscripts are poor. He was/is known as being a good story teller, this should also make him agood comic book writer, which you say he isn't. I personally don't believe he wrote any of the comics, he should have a Story credit there becauseof the films but that's it. Lets say hedid write 20% of themwhat's the excuse for the other 80%. I bought these forclose to 4yrs, they were all crap, I can't remember a good story from them,yet I do remember many of the additional stories added to fill out the comic.


Let me try and explain the black and white issuesthing;


I did write my own explaination but instead I'll cut and paste this from TheForce.net's site


"Marvel's U.K. division published their own weekly Star Wars magazine, mostly reprinting the american monthly and Pizzazz series. It took three weekly issues to reprint one issue of the monthly series"


It also states there that they would eventually have run out of US material and sousedpreviously unseen US stories and alsohad UK writers do some. I never got this point as this would have been after Jedi was released.


Here's issue two's cover


http://www.theforce.net/comics/images/marvelCovers/swuk/swuk002.jpg


You are making lots of claims that you know the business deals between Lucas and Marvel. I'm getting tired of these claims, which actually change slightly every post, so cite or shutup, already.




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wussynip
Wed Mar 10, 2004 4:27 am
#22

Tenant I need to pick up a copy I never knew there was a UK version in exsistance till now. And te comics which Lucas wrote were after affects of secondary characters like Boba Fett, after RotJ; Lobot after Cloud City things to that nature to make sure everyone who reads the Marvel Comics knows what truely did happen. Whhat would be more official one which Lucas helped write proofread and edited. Or, a story written and palced on the market saying just give me 30%. Lucas can write a script but can he write a novel. Know the difference between a script and a novel. Script is written liike this.

(Opening Credits)

A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away...

(New scene)

(Space with stars around )

(roll storyline)

STAR WARS

EPISIODE IV NEW HOPE

(Storyline of events)

(Move camera down)

Imperial Star Destroyer shooting at Rebel Blockade Runner


Scripts are not hard to wrtite at all. But, novels are a whole different story. You need to add a lot of detail and actually write exactlly every movement someone is taking. Comic Books are storyboards. Lucas excels in storyboards but can he draw. Lucas has created some of the costumes used in the film and knows how the costume is invisioned. But has he drawn a storyboard no he just makes it look like how he wants iit better.

I have sources it will take me a month to get all the issues and make a conclusion to Marvel UK and Marvel US. Now UK versions are made a lot differently and drawn a lot differently then US Versions.

Lastly devs will fix professions on the last of the list they want more content. So here it is. And also reason why I chose Entertainer to Master, Entertainers have no hybrid. Wouldn't yoou as an entertainer want a hybrid yes and brawlers they have no real melee hybrid. Why, I introduced a new profession to be brought into the game so everyone can have a hybrid. This was not brought up to be an issue but hybrid professions for the Master Entertainers and Brawlers and I brought the best idea for the game. Something which most people forget about. Marvel Comics Star Wars.



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Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through Passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force will set me free.

GTOfire
Wed Mar 10, 2004 5:40 am
#23

actually scripts need more detail. When writing a novel, the reader can imagine the scene for themself. However, a script needs to note every single important feature of the environment because it needs to be located, borrowed, purchased or made and put on camera. tv-scripts are less so, because the sets are already made and re-used. Movies however don't use the same set as the previous 50 movies, and need to redefine the world as it is in their setting.





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tehedin
Wed Mar 10, 2004 1:44 pm
#24

I hate to be a cynic but instead of making new professions the devs should focus on fixing the current professions



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Raidius-Hairuk
Wed Mar 10, 2004 9:16 pm
#25

Ok wussynip so it appeared in a comic and thats the reason why you would like to see it in the game. Fair enough, rather than promoting the comic can u promote the whip as a weapon that could be used by a brawler class in this game?


what type of attacks would it use, which part of the body would it target if any, what kinda of realisticrange would these weapons have, how fast would it be, how strong etc?


You havnt made any effort in using your own imagination and instead have chosen to use examples of things that have been designed by others. You dont seem to be interested in playing this game at all and have possibly made this thread to show everyone what a retard you are and to bash anyone who suggests that your "idea" (not an idea as you didnt put any thought into it at all) is not a good one.


Next I guess you will start quoting the bible and saying how George Lucas proof read it and how it should be in this game.



Ceiucis
Thu Mar 11, 2004 1:10 am
#26






SatansCircus wrote:
yeah, then they can add elephants and top hats and we'll have ourselves a circus.






silly lol we already have elephants haha



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