Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: Jedi keep talking about the risk....I THINK I figured it out..
Tucheck wrote:
Higherho wrote:
ah one more thing.
See all the people defending jedi are people who think they should be in this game... Considering what the game is about and the time frame i would assume all the current jedi are dum?
U could call me a noob because of my post count and all. but guess what i was in this game a crap load longer than u ever since beta 2 and i have not seen such a fantasic game go downhill so fast in 2 years.
No....I'll NOW call you a noob because no one has called you a NOOB till I just did in this post. Which thread are you reading?
You know most internet explorers have a "find in this page" option so you can search for specific text. Next time you feel like someone has called you a noob, do a search FIRST to make sure you don't look like a noob by saying someone has called you a noob when in fact no one has called you a noob.
Got it? Noob.
eh no i was just getting that out of the way because their are pretty cruel people here..
Nathanielstarr wrote:
Gillik wrote:
Jedi knights could kill master bhs (the MBH's need the knights mission. Mostly the mbh is a friend of saidknight)over and over again for FRS. And they did this in groups. Also fought between one another to gain visibility quickly. Thus the MBH can take said jedis mission to die again. Jedis were able to get Guardians, Masters, and seats on the council by doing this. Yet it ended due to the removal of the FRS.
I am still grinding jedi yet I was told that this was how 'fightclubbing' took place by one of said 'fightclubbing' jedi that did this for his spot on the rebel council.
/jedi slain
Message Edited by Gillik on 07-11-2005 08:37 PM
Thats why we got nerfed in publish 20....so jedi could not exploit their FRS, but it's under the guise of "griefing". But very few BHs really griefed Jedi and it was easy for the jedi to stop it. A jedi's visibility cleared after they died, they could also go into space, go to kashyyyk or just stay in their house. It's not griefing for a BH to kill a jedi or follow a jedi, believe it or not it's actually designed to be that way....So effectively Jedi exploiting got us nerfed....and people wonder why they hate them?
They are nerfing names because even when they tried to make it hard for Bountyhunters to gank jedi guess what... some did.
So to stopthat from happenening you get your nerf. It was your bretheren who couldnt stop ganking that caused this to happen not the FRS.
The devs submitted a FRS proposal to Lucas arts to get approved for this game. Unless you are a Dev, you have no idea what the new system intails. I would almost bet that Hunting MBHs is not even a part of it. I can almost guarantee thatit will be solely a Jedi Vs jedi FRS to keep any farming down.
/endrepost
Higherho wrote:
plus even u jedi have to admit that the video tells the truth... if not ur in denial .
What truth? That some Jedi grind afk? I don't think anyone is disputing that.
Leatherneck_of_Alderaan wrote:
Higherho wrote:
plus even u jedi have to admit that the video tells the truth... if not ur in denial .
What truth? That some Jedi grind afk? I don't think anyone is disputing that.
that truth and the truth that jedi's should stop complaing about lossing EXP. when they can most certainly get it back or not even lose any at all.
Higherho wrote:
Leatherneck_of_Alderaan wrote:
Higherho wrote:
plus even u jedi have to admit that the video tells the truth... if not ur in denial .
What truth? That some Jedi grind afk? I don't think anyone is disputing that.
that truth and the truth that jedi's should stop complaing about lossing EXP. when they can most certainly get it back or not even lose any at all.
So it's cool if someone mugs you and takes $500 because you can get it back, right?
Exp loss takes from you the one thing you can never ever ever get back. Time.
"Exp loss takes from you the one thing you can never ever ever get back. Time."
So true, wasted an entire day off grinding to two Bhs coming after my incredibly large 74k mission......gg nubs
Leatherneck_of_Alderaan wrote:
Higherho wrote:
Leatherneck_of_Alderaan wrote:
Higherho wrote:
plus even u jedi have to admit that the video tells the truth... if not ur in denial .
What truth? That some Jedi grind afk? I don't think anyone is disputing that.
that truth and the truth that jedi's should stop complaing about lossing EXP. when they can most certainly get it back or not even lose any at all.
So it's cool if someone mugs you and takes $500 because you can get it back, right?
Exp loss takes from you the one thing you can never ever ever get back. Time.
Time? umm those jedi where AFK and i bet eating or working.
and dont bring this annalogy of mugging people so it suits jedi's adeals of AFK grinding. This is an MMORPG not an AFK GAme remeber when u decided to become a jedi? deal with the punishment that lies ahead of u this is not kotor this is the GCW and if u jedi dont understand that much then why are u playing the game?
Higherho wrote:
Leatherneck_of_Alderaan wrote:
Higherho wrote:
Leatherneck_of_Alderaan wrote:
Higherho wrote:
plus even u jedi have to admit that the video tells the truth... if not ur in denial .
What truth? That some Jedi grind afk? I don't think anyone is disputing that.
that truth and the truth that jedi's should stop complaing about lossing EXP. when they can most certainly get it back or not even lose any at all.
So it's cool if someone mugs you and takes $500 because you can get it back, right?
Exp loss takes from you the one thing you can never ever ever get back. Time.
Time? umm those jedi where AFK and i bet eating or working.
and dont bring this annalogy of mugging people so it suits jedi's adeals of AFK grinding. This is an MMORPG not an AFK GAme remeber when u decided to become a jedi? deal with the punishment that lies ahead of u this is not kotor this is the GCW and if u jedi dont understand that much then why are u playing the game?
We play it just to make you mad. We had this big pre-SW:G meeting and decided to get together and work for years for the express purpose of pissing you off.
ArylosIntrepid wrote:
Hey leatherneck...didn't you get the memo? all of us jedi are AFK from now on....hop on the bus man *wink*
Sorry. Someone cried about my /forceMemoRetrieval and it got nerfed.
WookieOgre wrote:
Tucheck wrote:
VERY SIMPLE....WHEN NORMAL PROFESSIONS ARE DONE GRINDING, THEY DON'T HAVE POWERS LIKE CLOAK, STASIS, AND MASTER SABERS
lol
Ok I'll attempt to show you why you are wrong.
Stasis = Concussion Shot....heck Smugglers have 2 of these specials just incase they miss with Concussion. Lets not forget about CM's either.
As I already stated, as far as CMs go...Paralyze is the ONLY "root-mez" that does NO damage, and I fear will get caught in the middle of the upcoming "chain prevention fix". concussion does HALF the damage of Stasis. But yes...I can see the similarities, and have been an outspoken advocate that roots and mezzes that do damage SHOULD have a cool down twice the length of the state effect. Bottom line...Stasis still does more damage.
As you said, chaining is going to be fixed so what is the problem? That's why I stopped screaming about Smuggler long ago, I know it's going to be fixed so what's the point using that time and time again. For the record, try to use Rifleman/Pistoleer.....those have chainable that will prevent you from ever doing anything and they damage. I don't have to mention the specials because BH's are very aware of them heh.
Master Sabers, I'm glad you were specific. Are you stating Master Sabers does too much damage? You think one 32m attack is too powerful?
No actually I'm quiet content with the damage sabers are currently doing. I BELIEVE it is the armor break ability that is too powerful. Even with 6.5K energy resist armor, against a LS my armor had about a 50% mitigation...after armor break it drops to roughly 10%. This can result in many people THINKING sabers do too much damage...I DON'T believe this is the case.
So I take it you are requesting a nerf to regular Melee Armor break as well? Don't forget to remove Critical Hits for Ranged since that gives you a bonus on damage. For the record, Melee are given AB since they are supposed to be at a disadvantage to the Ranged player. You have multiple ways to keep a Melee player from ever getting close to you as well as an 80m distance (most BH's do) so there is no balance issues with AB.
If you think that then more than 90% of the BH's (including mine) are too uber and need to be nerfed big time. I mean I hit from 80m away and do more damage than with my Jedi so something must be wrong.
Something IS wrong...and it will be fixed soon I believe. It is the pearl drops from Krayt Dragons. Once better pearls start to drop, you will see an increase in your Sabers damage. I, HONESTLY, just hope the Devs do go SUPER crazy with this. A pre-CU saber combined with Armor break does result in damage around 800 - 1K a hit....at one hit every 1 or 2 seconds.
Again, a Melee player still can outdamage a Jedi so are you asking for Melee players to be nerfed? That's exactly what will happen. I have a near perfect saber and my BH still outdamages me, no joke. It's much closer now but he can still outdamage me even with AB.
Cloak, I agree its a powerful special but not in the way BH's think. Are you upset because a Jedi can run or the fact they can turn your first strike around on you? Now there are bugs with Cloak but with those aside all you have to do is stay within 20m of a Jedi and they can't cloak.
If Cloak could not be used with Force Run...then I could see how the 20m MIGHT make a difference. However, this is not the case.
Well I don't think anything is going to change with this since IMO doesn't have any outcome on the BH losing. Again the power comes from the fact you surprise a player, BH's know you are there so they are ready hence nothing to really worry about.
There has been a cooldown timer placed on it so it can't constantly be spamed. If you attack a Jedi around any creatures/npcs the Jedi can not cloak as well. Cloak is probably one of the only things that separates a Jedi from a non-Jedi (besides cover from Rifleman), luckly most Jedi refuse to take it since they have to give up valueable skill points in defense or offense. Now the only time I'd say this is really powerful is when an overt Jedi uses it against an unsuspecting overt player, surprise is the key. Having a Jedi cloak in front of you doesn't mean you won't be ready for him once he decloaks.
All I know is that the Jedi on my Ventrilo just LOVE it, and have been quoted as saying, "If you can't use Cloak...it's a good thing, because you would just be pissed about what your missing". LOL Jealous? Maybe. However, these things STILL do not negate the fact that Cloak is very powerful, and even MORE so now that the /tar will not work.
Agree it's a fun skill and powerful in PvP, not BH missions. It actually levels the playing field when BH's come, that is all.
That's the difference and why I think BH's whining about it constantly are funny.
So out of three complaints 2 are ridiculous and one although pretty powerful is not unbalancing anything in BH missions.
It's not JUST about BH missions...it's about the changes in the game that give Jedi the ability to obtain powerful specials while AFK for hours or days at a time. That's MY problem.
I've yet to see powerful specials besides Cloak which btw again does not kill a BH. It might be the best special to use when you are overt, but that's it. The real power is going to come in the FRS when a Jedi can get the jump on another Knight.
Good post though...thanks for the conversation with MINIMAL flaming. It's appericated.
WookieOgre wrote:
Agree it's a fun skill and powerful in PvP, not BH missions. It actually levels the playing field when BH's come, that is all.
