Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: Were Players forced to PvP?
Message edited b/c I forget to quote the original question, and it seemed to have confused others as to who this was directed to. My bad.
Ameno wrote:
man your post came out all screwed up looking, HTML gone horribly wrong.
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Message Edited by wyzer301 on 11-08-200508:35 AM
Message Edited by wyzer301 on 11-08-2005 08:36 AM
Darka-ce wrote:
Digitalalchemyzt wrote:
you people are some real idiots who says jedi was not a pvp prof...when you unlocked as in pre cu, you GOT AN EMAIL FROM SOE THAT SPECIFICALLY STATES....okay, for you low brow types..are you ready...okay..are you ready...JEDI IS A PVP PROFESSION IT WAS STATED IN THE HOLOMAIL YOU GOT WHEN YOU UNLOCKED IN PRECU....
now, do my little shchool bus children understand now? thats why people say that.
you got an email stating that it was a pvp prof. fools. you got an email stating it was a pvp prof
sorry guys, theres just some really stupid people on these boards that dont know jack about the jedi prof...
Incorrect. Only Pre-village Jedi got an email stating that Jedi was "full of dangers". Anyone who unlocked post-CU got ZERO indication in game or email, that it was a PvP profession. Perhaps sir, it is YOU who either need to step onto the bus or learn, FULLY, about our profession.
However by that point it was part of the Jedi FAQ. That and it was quite common information. I'm not saying a particular Jedi could not have "missed" it, but the information was definitely out there to be had.
wyzer301 wrote:
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Those are the corresponding clickies.
Now, the original question deals with whether or not Jedi is a PvP profession. You can play Jedi without ever engaging in PvP, but it is a difficult path to walk (Jedi difficult? What a concept!). However, in one of those clickies I provided, it is clear that Jedi was announced as a profession in which you will need to PvP (at least in the FRS) to advance, and that was stated before anyone unlocked.
Your question asked whether Jedi have known all along whether or not BH would hunt them. I could not find conclusive evidence of their original plans, but the last clicky showed specifically that at least within a week or two of the first unlock, Q-3p0 was already telling Jedi to beware the BH. I had been working on the message for over 2 hours at that point, and realized I was tired and went to bed. If you would like me to continue looking, I will.
However, as some Jedi have now pointed out in this thread, there was apparently an ingame e-mail stating you would be hunted. That's good enough for me.
Why do you insist on feeding this so called troll's sense of gratification? You know he/she is only getting off on it.... oh well all the idiocy is comical to a point, and keeps the forums a interesting read. Keep wasting your time! It'll solve absolutely nothing. Yay!
pussycat wrote:
ChefRubio wrote:
pussycat wrote:
Darka-ce wrote:
Digitalalchemyzt wrote:
you people are some real idiots who says jedi was not a pvp prof...when you unlocked as in pre cu, you GOT AN EMAIL FROM SOE THAT SPECIFICALLY STATES....okay, for you low brow types..are you ready...okay..are you ready...JEDI IS A PVP PROFESSION IT WAS STATED IN THE HOLOMAIL YOU GOT WHEN YOU UNLOCKED IN PRECU....
now, do my little shchool bus children understand now? thats why people say that.
you got an email stating that it was a pvp prof. fools. you got an email stating it was a pvp prof
sorry guys, theres just some really stupid people on these boards that dont know jack about the jedi prof...
Incorrect. Only Pre-village Jedi got an email stating that Jedi was "full of dangers". Anyone who unlocked post-CU got ZERO indication in game or email, that it was a PvP profession. Perhaps sir, it is YOU who either need to step onto the bus or learn, FULLY, about our profession.
1. Did the e-mail say it was a pvp profession, or that it was subject to forced pvp? There is a difference between being a profession that can excel at pvp when and if it chooses, and being one which is basically forced to pvp. 2. As has been stated above, not all Jedi got the same gmail. 3. Regardless of what the devs said, or how they phrased their position regarding the Jedi profession, it still remained a forced pvp profession. That the possibility of forced pvp might have been mentioned in advance does not change the fact that it was forced pvp. Any time that you, as a player, do not get to pvp at the time, place, and under circumstances of your choosing, it is a form of forced pvp.
It pretty much said if you didnt stay out of sight you would be hunted by the empire and by bh. I'm not sure 100% what it said, but it said there would be consequenses of that sort if seen by the public eye, so yes it did say there would be pvp encounters.
Indeed, and these encounters, if they involved BH PC, constituted forced pvp. Just because you know that you can be hunted doesn't make each encounter anything other than forced pvp... the basic point, and the one that you keep on refusing to acknowledge, is that any type of game mechanic that involved pvp should have been consensual.
Why would you object so stridently to players being able to enjoy a video game for which they pay a monthly suscription fee with the game style that they preferred? Why was it so important, in your opinion, that everybody accept pvp as an integral part of enjoying certain aspects of the game content? Honestly, I really don't understand why pvp'ers wanted to impose their game style on others... there was always enough people to pvp with, and there was really no reason that pvp'ers themselves couldn't have policed themselves to make sure they did not inadvertently engage in pvp with players who didn't want it.
But, I suppose, to expect just a little bit of respect and courtesy for other players is, in your opinion, totally unreasonable.
There's a semantic difference between how you and I consider pvp and forced pvp.
Let's first talk about something besides Jedi and BH.
Let's say Joe Schmoe the Commando (didn't rhyme on purpose...it just happened) likes to dress up as a Stormtrooper at conventions, so he really wants to play one in game. So he goes Imperial, gets his gear, so on and so on. Now, I don't know the current GCW rules, but I do know that at one point in time, one could not be attacked while one was "on leave". However, that included NPCs as well I believe. Basically you didn't have a TEF while "on leave". But let's say Joe Schmoe really wants to feel more into the game and wants to be able to get "jumped" by rebel NPCs randomly, so he changes his "on leave" status to active duty. He goes out on a mission, gets jumped, wins, and so forth. He walks into town and gets slaughtered by Pete Glowdude the Light Jedi. Now, Joe was using an active game mechanic that he should have known could get him into PvP that he might not have wanted to participate in, and it seems by your logic that Pete forced PvP on Joe, b/c Joe only wanted to get jumped by NPCs. The thing is, Joe doesn't have a case, b/c it's part of the game, and it wasn't "forced" on him b/c he made the choice. Joe was an idiot.
Let's go before that, before you had "on leave" status. Joe might have been out on a mission, and attacked a group of Rebel NPCs. He then got a TEF and other Rebels could now attack him. Joe chooses to walk into town and he gets dropped by Pete. Joe has NEVER wanted to PvP, has never participated in the PC version of the GCW, and did not want to have to fight Pete. By your logic, it would seem Pete forced PvP on Joe. However that's not the case. Joe made a decision that put him into a situation (with a known game mechanic) that opened the possibility to PvP, even if he didn't want it to happen when it did. Joe was an idiot.
You see, just because PvP might happen when you don't want it to doesn't make it forced. Jedi chose to become Jedi. Jedi knew they would be hunted and possibly have to engage in PvP, even if they didn't want to. Jedi still chose the profession anyway, for a myriad of reasons. Jedi made the choice every time they garnered vis, because they had made the choice that caused them to gain vis. Whether it be showing off their powers, or whether they were out grinding and someone snuck up on them and watched them and the Jedi then got vis. The Jedi made the choices that garnered visibility. The Jedi chose to gain visibility, thus choosing to run the risk of PvP. That doesn't mean the Jedi desired PvP, but the Jedi chose to make himself vulnerable to PvP. It was not forced, because the Jedi made the decision.
Get over yourself.
wyzer301 wrote:
That and so long as I follow the rules, I can post what I want.
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Shut up.
pussycat wrote:
ChefRubio wrote:
pussycat wrote:
ChefRubio wrote:
pussycat wrote:
Darka-ce wrote:
Digitalalchemyzt wrote:
you people are some real idiots who says jedi was not a pvp prof...when you unlocked as in pre cu, you GOT AN EMAIL FROM SOE THAT SPECIFICALLY STATES....okay, for you low brow types..are you ready...okay..are you ready...JEDI IS A PVP PROFESSION IT WAS STATED IN THE HOLOMAIL YOU GOT WHEN YOU UNLOCKED IN PRECU....
now, do my little shchool bus children understand now? thats why people say that.
you got an email stating that it was a pvp prof. fools. you got an email stating it was a pvp prof
sorry guys, theres just some really stupid people on these boards that dont know jack about the jedi prof...
Incorrect. Only Pre-village Jedi got an email stating that Jedi was "full of dangers". Anyone who unlocked post-CU got ZERO indication in game or email, that it was a PvP profession. Perhaps sir, it is YOU who either need to step onto the bus or learn, FULLY, about our profession.
1. Did the e-mail say it was a pvp profession, or that it was subject to forced pvp? There is a difference between being a profession that can excel at pvp when and if it chooses, and being one which is basically forced to pvp. 2. As has been stated above, not all Jedi got the same gmail. 3. Regardless of what the devs said, or how they phrased their position regarding the Jedi profession, it still remained a forced pvp profession. That the possibility of forced pvp might have been mentioned in advance does not change the fact that it was forced pvp. Any time that you, as a player, do not get to pvp at the time, place, and under circumstances of your choosing, it is a form of forced pvp.
It pretty much said if you didnt stay out of sight you would be hunted by the empire and by bh. I'm not sure 100% what it said, but it said there would be consequenses of that sort if seen by the public eye, so yes it did say there would be pvp encounters.
Indeed, and these encounters, if they involved BH PC, constituted forced pvp. Just because you know that you can be hunted doesn't make each encounter anything other than forced pvp... the basic point, and the one that you keep on refusing to acknowledge, is that any type of game mechanic that involved pvp should have been consensual.
Why would you object so stridently to players being able to enjoy a video game for which they pay a monthly suscription fee with the game style that they preferred? Why was it so important, in your opinion, that everybody accept pvp as an integral part of enjoying certain aspects of the game content? Honestly, I really don't understand why pvp'ers wanted to impose their game style on others... there was always enough people to pvp with, and there was really no reason that pvp'ers themselves couldn't have policed themselves to make sure they did not inadvertently engage in pvp with players who didn't want it.
But, I suppose, to expect just a little bit of respect and courtesy for other players is, in your opinion, totally unreasonable.
Well, if one is thinking logically, when you get an e-mail saying that if you are seen in public performing your abilities that you will be hunted, that is your warning that if you continue to play this character there will be pvp. If you continue, you are consenting, logically speaking.
Every time you log into your jedi account you were consenting, whether you want to admit it or not.
Forget for a minute about what the game mechanics allowed or did not allow. Step back for a minute from the "way it was" and tell me, what was a single good reason that it should have been that way? If there were a good reason for it having been that way, it wouldn't have been eliminated from the game, would it?
lordchimp wrote:
wyzer301 wrote:
That and so long as I follow the rules, I can post what I want.
...........
Shut up.
OH YEAH? I DO WHAT I WANT!@!!
wyzer301 wrote:
And why would you make your post and call her/him a troll when you know trolls thrive on that kind of stuff?
Because I have a great sense of humor which you do not share apparently. Your loss.
And now we can both be trolls. congratulations.
At some point its just like fishing....
/dangle bait
/
takes bait
/catches a whopper of a story....it makes for comedic genious
some people are too predictable, but its funny! 
Don't expect too much more posting soon from me hopefully. I've been trying to get a DL to work so I can play again, and I think I got it down. So now I'm off to play, I hope.
Hope I answered the questions I set out to answer.
wyzer301 wrote:
And now we can both be trolls. congratulations.
I had to run off and make a constructive post in the jedi forums once I read this. Back to the trolling. I hate you. Bye!
P.S. Congratulations to you too!