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Thread: 17July TC Jedi Tracking Test results
Cafa wrote:
Feomatar wrote:
Blixtev wrote:
5) If you use a seeker in either mode on kash, you get the "too many lifesigns" message and do not get any waypoints (and heres the important bit) DO NOT get a name
Until the Producers decide otherwise, Kashyyyk stays how it is.
All your changes are completely useless if this stays as it is. Bounty hunting will be way less fun since EVERY jedi will hunt on Kashyyyk because nothing can happen there. Having to try ten different marks until finding one that is not on Kashyyyk isnothing butannoying.
In the Ryatt Trail jedi grind their profession AFK, now nobody will be able to stop them now.
Since there is no risk at all involved in being a jedi anymore and jedi can be grindedEASIER than BH (Jedi is grindable 100% AFK, BH isn't because of the investigation tree) there is absolutely no justification for making jedi stronger than other professions.
That being said, jedi'sstrengthneeds to be tuned down to the level of every other profession.
Yes, you MBH have it so hard. ID macro for 4 hours AFK and Respec FTW! Damn that was tiring, eh?
ROFLMAO, like jedi is hard to grind, go afk by feral wookis while running a macro for 4 days during double xp week, grind out all low skills and respec to full template jedi.
Some of us BH's worked damn hard for the MBH title, working our way through many, many bugged missions.How many jedi can say they worked hard for theres? Just go to the latest bugged spawn and afk grind away.
Cafa wrote:
Bonanu wrote:
riotcontrol wrote:
Blixtev wrote:
Until the Producers decide otherwise, Kashyyyk stays how it is.
Are the producers aware of what exactly is happening on Kashyyyk as a direct result of this "design decision" and how it doesn't even slightly resemble a "themepark/quest planet" anymore?
Message Edited by riotcontrol on 07-17-2005 03:04 AM
Not wanting to sound too up myself here, but I love Kashyyyk, it's more of a themepark than any other place in the galaxy - especially for BH's.
Please tell me you aren't one of these lazy respec BH griefers who won't touch a 226 and doesn't want to actually work to find your mark - it's those people that get the BH's a bad name.
IMO, there is more risk to Jedi grinding on Kashyyyk than anywhere else, they're all in groups together and easy to find, you just have to have the skill to get to them.
I still don't know what the heck these people are talking about. We wanted to stir up the rebels last night so we stationed one player in each instance and started calling off names of rebel jedi which the BH's then took and executed. Seemed like a shooting gallery to me, rebels dying everywhere.
you do understand what the letters "TC" in the thread title stand for don't you?
InsubstantialExuberance wrote:
Blixtev - Kashykk is a content planet which is fair enough, allow jedi to enjoy the content without being disturbed by Bounty Hunters - however many jedi are using the planet as a grind haven which pretty much totally removes the risk from becoming a jedi ever.
Could I be so bold as to propose that you remove XP from Kashykk mobs? or reduce it considerably to make grinding on the planet not a viable option - that way Kash stays a content planet and Jedi don't get their haven.
Agreed. If Kashyyyk truly is only a content planet, remove xp gain from that planet. Although I never did grind on Kashyyyk, my alt sure wouldn't be put out by one planet with no xp.
I dig it. 
Blixtev wrote:
Red-Dwarf wrote:
Don't shoot the messenger, please.
1) If you use a seeker in either "one-use" (now renamed "Seek Bounty Target") or "infinite use" (now renamed "Track Bounty Target" but still bugged and giving infinite uses) and target is not on world you get the "off-world" message as before.
I'll look to see why the Track mode doesnt consume a droid.
2) If you use an arakyd (actual droid now renamed "Arakyd Probot", not "Imperial probot" and the option to call is now "Request probe droid" with no sub-menu) then you get the planet, but no name.
Did it bug anyone else for 2 years it said "imperial probot base", and had 2 menu options that did the same thing? Cleaned it up so it is a bit more obvious what you are doing.
3) If you use a seeker in "one use" mode then you do get a single location waypoint and it loses target you also get "Analysing biological signature... Target:XXXX"
Glad thisworks, put this in based on Tanks feedback to us and running through it once the new way on TestCenter. The terminal greifing should be eliminated as it takes more of a time investment to even get to the point of finding a name.
4) If you use a seeker in "infinite use" mode then you do get running waypoints but do NOT get a name.
Seek mode is the only one that returns name.
5) If you use a seeker in either mode on kash, you get the "too many lifesigns" message and do not get any waypoints (and heres the important bit) DO NOT get a name
Until the Producers decide otherwise, Kashyyyk stays how it is.
I am cross posting this in the bug thread in the hope they consider point 5 a bug and either fix the infinite use bug and give a name or make it a feature that to get the name you need to use a charge.
Thanks to the jedi who helped me with this test, and vredak for testing with me.
Glad to see the fixes put in work! Hopefully cleaned up the system a bit so new BH's do not get confused with all the sub menu options.
To be pardon i dont think you know what terminal griefing is, Anyway a padawan Is a hell of alot tougher than a completed knight if they are smart, Ever tried fighting an Rifleman/Jedi template? Pretty hard to kill.
Otherthan trying to fix our seekers try to atleast improve us instead of continually nerfing us with the ''griefing excuse'' i mean if we grief so much why not just remove player bounties?..
If were griefing than the devs created that themselves opening player bounties.. As i say dont blame the Players who play the system blame the creators who messed up terriblely.
Hasun wrote:
The bloke comes in on a saturday to answer questions and you flame the guy. Its not his fault, he is payed to implement what the producers want......If you don't like it quit but for godsake don't flame a dev when he's only trying to help make the system work and be fair for all.
That's a complete contradiction.
And I don't see a single person here flaming the Dev, ppl are expressing their utter discust with that little bit of info about Kashyyk being exactly what the Producers intend it to be. The statement of course confirms for everyone to see that Jedi are, in fact, SWG's marketing tool. Money makes the world go round and it's now appearent this idea takes precedence over saving the continuity of Star Wars. GG SOE
SamousNemo wrote:
Absolutely appalling
Blixtev wrote:Until the Producers decide otherwise, Kashyyyk stays how it is.
Well guys, look at it this way, we now know, beyond a doubt, that the Devs are not responsible for this crap that they have been forced to put in the game. It was and has been the producers. This shows that the producers, you know who they are, do not give a rip about the game, that they are just in it for the money aspect.
By Blixtev responding this way, we know that the producers know the effects Jedi are having on this once great community, as a whole not just the Bounty Hunters or Jedi. We know that the Devs know about it as well. They want to do something but their hands are tied and the producers won't untie them.
Message Edited by _Dragonius_ on 07-17-2005 12:57 AM
Stakex007 wrote:This is getting pretty damn sad...
SOE keeps saying they want Jedi to be rare. I was reading old posts the other day and saw Q-3P0's about Jedi, and how they are suppose to be very very rare, and live a VERY hard life in SWG. Now adays they live a life of ease on Kash grinding all day long. If we can't hunt them there.... then I agree with who ever said turn off Jedi XP on Kash. If you want to train a Jedi, I wish you the best of luck... but you should have to live a hard life, not have a cake walk.
well here it is since you brought it up...
"We'll we're really keeping Jedi, the Jedi System, under wraps right now because we want Jedi to be rare and mysterious in the game. We want it to feel like it does in the movies where Jedi are kind of a rare breed. We will say that really the core of it is becoming Force Sensitive. Once you become Force Sensitive your progression through the Jedi ranks is pretty straight forward and follows a lot of the rules we've established already for some of our other skill systems. But the Force Sensitivity aspect is the thing that we're not really talking about. We do have a system in place, it takes into account a wide range of variables, it's different for every player, and no player is excluded from it, so you can't make a wrong choice when you're making up your character that will keep you from becoming a Jedi. That's not the way it works. Everybody has an equal opportunity."
Haden, XGR Interview
Your Jedi character lives in a world of constant danger, and when a Jedi dies, he's permanently dead (your other characters will respawn at a cloning facility). Jedi are also targets for NPCs and potentially other players. This will make surviving as a Jedi long enough to advance to Jedi Knight or Jedi Master status very difficult."
Haden, IGN Interview
"They will be very hard to become, and very very very rare. And we will continue to adjust the system to keep it that way. (I know, here I go tantalizing ya withuot any concrete details again... )"
Raph, Dec 2000
"Is the game going to exercise a degree of control over whether you become a Jedi? Absolutely. After all, it also exercises a degree of control over whether you become anything else in the game. Will those who wish to become Jedi be able to work towards it? Yes. Will they for sure make it? No, it is not guaranteed. But the opportunity is always there should they decide to travel that rough road. We intend to keep Jedi rare, and we will tweak the system on an ongoing basis to ensure that they stay that way (again, something we have stated before). Yes, it is our *opinion* that Jedi will be very very very rare, but we're also planning on working until they ARE because otherwise we would not be faithful to Star Wars. (And yes, we believe we can make it fun to boot). BTW, being a Jedi or Force sensitive in the time period the game is set in ain't no picnic."
Raph, April 2001"
never forget
Stop talking about contiunity please.. have common sense and do not put contiunuity about just 1 aspect of the game.. The game reflect maybe 60% of what we saw as timeline and continuity in the movies..was in the movie Theed a rebel city?Nor should rebel be more in hide even then jedi?IMHo all rebels should have a bounty on their heads if we speak movie wise..this is just a small example and i can go on like this as much as you want to.
"isn't the existence of jedi in this current system essentially griefing anyone who thinks the devs are attempting to be consistent in their protrayl of jedi?"
To have a hate towards an ingame proffesion is just plain stupid to me.No metter wich 1 is that or what game is it in.
Reflect abit more and realise that the game will had been here sooner or later jedi population wise.I really do not see swg with several jedi on each server.Evryone who had been star the game or will do it in 3 years for now should have the chance to play 1 if they want to.
Jedi is more or less a common proffesion this day Accept that.And Please rephrase and tell me how this system is essentialy greifing anyone?Look abit deeper and see that the current game state is not a fault of jedi proffesion.If you have a certain image about star wars universe doesn't neccesay means should be the same ingame.
Message Edited by Sipu on 07-17-2005 10:53 PM
Remilliod wrote:
Blixtev wrote:
Until the Producers decide otherwise, Kashyyyk stays how it is.
The way I read this is they WANT jedi to be grinding on Kashyyyk safely. That way all paddies have to buy the expansion.
The LOS exploit will stay by producer's decision. It will be even harder to find your mark here now due to no name.
It is also very telling that Blixley specifically tells us that it is the producer's decision. NOT the dev's decision. I would imagine there has been some arguments on this point. The dev's probably want a game that is as true to the timeline as possible, and would probably like to stick with their decision about keeping jedi 'very very very' rare. This would be good for the long-term health of the game. The problem is, the producers are interested in one thing: Short-term profit.
You cant argue with the boss.
But what will happen when everyone is running around with sabers out in front of the Bestine starport? Will they rename the game to Jedi Knights Online?
When the day comes that 90 percent of the player base has a glowstick, I will be looking for a new mmorpg. Which is a shame because I really like SWG.
I feel the exact same way. I will NOT buy the expansion until the 'producers' decide that Jedi visibility, especially in the GCW, is waaaaay outta hand and DO something to address it.
If these executives would just LET SOE make a good game instead of making decisions that cause A LOT more problems than the 'producers' expect (because they don't understand the game and how it works), then SWG would be LIGHT years ahead of any MMORPG.
Way to go you money-grubbing suits! Go sniff some coke or something.
I stumbled into this thread through dev tracker and I must say... I have 2 jedi, one finished template, and the other will never be anymore than a half templated jedi... when I read the little post about how droids do not return the name of the mark if they are on kashyyyk, my first and only thought is... "well what's the point grinding anywhere else?".
Seriously, i can deal with droids not being able to track on Kashyyyk... fine, but nowa BH doesn't even know who he's after, so unless he just randomly stumbles on his mark, there's no way he wil ever find him. Oce this catches on more and more, the ryatte trails will be the only place jedi grind, now the irony of Jedi training in a seculded spot is kinda funny, it's also kinda stupid to give jedi this out.
I'm not a fan of BH's, and certianlly not a fan of loosing xp, but still this is just plain stupid, don't even know who their hunting... the friggen planet will crash from all the jedi down there, it's already laggy enough as it is.
Blixtev wrote:
5) If you use a seeker in either mode on kash, you get the "too many lifesigns" message and do not get any waypoints (and heres the important bit) DO NOT get a name
Until the Producers decide otherwise, Kashyyyk stays how it is.
Skuzz wrote:
Blixtev wrote:
5) If you use a seeker in either mode on kash, you get the "too many lifesigns" message and do not get any waypoints (and heres the important bit) DO NOT get a name
Until the Producers decide otherwise, Kashyyyk stays how it is.
That is soooooo very very sad. Do the producers not realize how blatant a stance this is? This means, now without a doubt, that this is being done to pad SOE's coffers with jedi players monthly cash with Kashyyyk as the bait. Ugh... i think im gonna be ill...
Aside from that soul-draining bombshell... Blix THANK YOU for talking to us! Its very appreciated. =) Please keep it up.
ya i'm guessing he gets in trouble for that, i've never seen a more obvious "this is only being done for money" statement
i enjoy reading posts from idiotic jedi who actually think this change has come about due to "griefing" by bhs