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Thread: Cloak = i win button.
Bucke-Thead wrote:
thelar wrote:
Cloak is certainly not an I win button, think of cloak more like a button that says "I concede my own personal weakness and inability to adapt to the task at hand so im going to hide like a baby"
That is cloak in a nutshell. I have been a jedi for a long time, but I think this is the most rediculous skill we have. I would like to see it moved to master powers though so that people cant dabble in the coward lines.
Its interesting if you look at the jedi that do hold cloak in their template, and look at their personalities, what I have found, and this is a generalization, but, it seems to me that alot of the jerks, greifers, haters and crybabies have picked this skill up.
There are some exceptions to this of course, but thats what I have found in my experience.
Ifa jedi uses this to avoid death, dont take it as him winning, because he surely did not.
So... cloak is cowardly? Do you also consider fightclubbing FRS xp a cowardly act Mr Jedi Guardian?
to the OP... Your template can not be expected to beat all fully templated Jedi. As somebody said... paper, scissors, rock. Your template should win 33% of the time, lose 33% of the time, and be forced into a stalemate 33% of the time. That is a balanced system with jedi at 1:1 power of BH's.
Now... if you want to beat cloakers, there are ways to do it. I did it often as a Carbineer/BH with some pistols for crowd control. I attacked in busy areas and I never let them leave the area to cloak. Simple!
If you are a CM/BH, then you are simply not set up to beat a cloaker. This as your "weakness"... now either change template, or learn to accept that you will not win every encounter.
I have a Master Powers/Master Enhancer toon. Unless you kill me in the first 10 seconds you are never going to kill him. He has been beaten twice since the CU... Once by a good, sneaky BH who waited 20mins before revealing himself (rifleman conceal). I was dead in 5 seconds... The other got me the day the tef changes went live as I was logging in my public GH...
Anyways... if I feel I am not going to win an encounter, I will Stasis, FR3 and Cloak... this is not a cowardly act... I am a pve support character who is not equipped to pvp solo. I will not usually kill a BH, because it is not possible for me to do so in most cases (their heals > my dps).
I have always loved teh BH proffession and have played one for a long time. I stopped shortly after the CU because of the respeccers anoying me... anyway, I have always pointed out.. it is the job of the BH to kill the Jedi, but it is NOT the job of the Jedi to kill the BH. All the Jedi needs to think about is surviving the encounter using any tools necessary, whilst you need to stop that happening at all costs. If a jedi has escaped, then you have failed. Either drop the mission, or wait a while before trying again, and adapt your tactics if you need to.
First of all, I was a Jedi Guardian 4/4/4/4 so I like to think I earned my Guardian title thank you very much. I also made the rank of guardian in the frs system before fightclubbing and bh killing ever came about. I was one of the first knights on the server back when we got frs for general pvp. Even if I wanted to fightclub I would not have had anyone to do it with.....
Second of all, when Fightclubbing did become a reality I booted anyone from my guild that did it, and then went so far as to ban any other rebel jedi from all that I had influence over which was quite a bit at that time. You may want to get your facts straight before you go making accusations.
And about cloak. I would have no problem with it if it wasnt being abused by a bunch of children and thats whats happening out there. Furthermore when you bring in an army of pvpers to destroy an SF detachment HQ and a cloaker just walks in, laughs at your whole group and shuts the base down, that just doesnt seem all that balancing to me.
Cloak is not an "I win button". That was my original point, its an "I admit defeat" button. Anytime you have to run, or hide, you have lost that encounter, its pretty simple math really.
thelar wrote:
Dude, ive been a jedi for a long time, ive done the grind in all formats and systems now, and I can tell you to gain 0400 in any jedi tree can be done in a matter of a couple of hours now if you have yourself a proper group. Its no big deal anymore.
master_nick wrote:
it's not a i win button, it's a get away button
Um, no. Its really quite simple.
Cloak needs to be fixed. And-It IS an "i win button".
Lord_Mikus wrote:
master_nick wrote:
it's not a i win button, it's a get away button
Um, no. Its really quite simple.
Cloak needs to be fixed. And-It IS an "i win button".
No the Jedi with the 700 max dam saber and good pvp skills is the I win button. He just happened to have cloak.
SugarBuzz1 wrote:
Lord_Mikus wrote:
master_nick wrote:
it's not a i win button, it's a get away button
Um, no. Its really quite simple.
Cloak needs to be fixed. And-It IS an "i win button".
No the Jedi with the 700 max dam saber and good pvp skills is the I win button. He just happened to have cloak.
Like I said in my prev post if you take cloak away I just get more defense and you still cant beat me. So either you face me with cloak and hope that I have to run and you at least get that victory or you face me with aura andit turns your gun into the equivilant of a pea shooter. Work on your skills and pick marks you have a chance against. Stop calling for Nerfs. Working as intended. Even Tanks said that earlier in this thread. do you realize for me to pick up cloak and keep mls I dropped to Novice Defender? Keep me from cloaking and you can own me. To hard to do? Drop my mission and go to the next. Oh wait the next will be a master defender. Then you will be back here saying NERF DEFENDER!!
You know what, i really could care less if you have aura or not. I'd rather fight a jedi and die, than not be able to FIGHT HALF MY JEDI BOUTIES because they all hide in their houses or cloak when the see me. And for your information, i can kill a MDEF with aura.
Lord_Mikus wrote:
SugarBuzz1 wrote:
Lord_Mikus wrote:
master_nick wrote:
it's not a i win button, it's a get away button
Um, no. Its really quite simple.
Cloak needs to be fixed. And-It IS an "i win button".
No the Jedi with the 700 max dam saber and good pvp skills is the I win button. He just happened to have cloak.
Like I said in my prev post if you take cloak away I just get more defense and you still cant beat me. So either you face me with cloak and hope that I have to run and you at least get that victory or you face me with aura andit turns your gun into the equivilant of a pea shooter. Work on your skills and pick marks you have a chance against. Stop calling for Nerfs. Working as intended. Even Tanks said that earlier in this thread. do you realize for me to pick up cloak and keep mls I dropped to Novice Defender? Keep me from cloaking and you can own me. To hard to do? Drop my mission and go to the next. Oh wait the next will be a master defender. Then you will be back here saying NERF DEFENDER!!
You know what, i really could care less if you have aura or not. I'd rather fight a jedi and die, than not be able to FIGHT HALF MY JEDI BOUTIES because they all hide in their houses or cloak when the see me. And for your information, i can kill a MDEF with aura.
Oh, yeah. I have absoulutly no control on what jedi i pick on the terminals. I picked a 45052 bounty a few days ago, and whaddya know, a jedi knight!
Lord_Mikus wrote:
SugarBuzz1 wrote:
Lord_Mikus wrote:
master_nick wrote:
it's not a i win button, it's a get away button
Um, no. Its really quite simple.
Cloak needs to be fixed. And-It IS an "i win button".
No the Jedi with the 700 max dam saber and good pvp skills is the I win button. He just happened to have cloak.
Like I said in my prev post if you take cloak away I just get more defense and you still cant beat me. So either you face me with cloak and hope that I have to run and you at least get that victory or you face me with aura andit turns your gun into the equivilant of a pea shooter. Work on your skills and pick marks you have a chance against. Stop calling for Nerfs. Working as intended. Even Tanks said that earlier in this thread. do you realize for me to pick up cloak and keep mls I dropped to Novice Defender? Keep me from cloaking and you can own me. To hard to do? Drop my mission and go to the next. Oh wait the next will be a master defender. Then you will be back here saying NERF DEFENDER!!
You know what, i really could care less if you have aura or not. I'd rather fight a jedi and die, than not be able to FIGHT HALF MY JEDI BOUTIES because they all hide in their houses or cloak when the see me. And for your information, i can kill a MDEF with aura.
If you can kill a mdef with aura and you are worried about a Jedi that cloaks and runs then you are just looking to be UBER!! You cant win em all.
Jedi have been running since the BH proffesion was created. Are you looking for Jedi to just stand there? That makes no sense. Where is the excitement of being a BH. Tell you what. When you get your marks name send him a tell. Tell him you have his mission and you want to fight. If hes like me or a mdef finished temp he will say gladly and meet you somewhere, If he is one of them runners then you either wont get a reply or he will say no. Then drop the mission and keep trying. This will save you all of the hard work that you should have to do as a BH.
**replying to your post of having no idea what jedi you get. Its called stalking. Get your marks name and watch them. True BH do this. Then they will know waht they are dealing with.
Message Edited by SugarBuzz1 on 09-08-2005 02:57 PM
). You still can cloak to escape but you have to be mindfull when you do it.
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Message Edited by xTeradocX on 09-08-2005 12:33 PM
thelar wrote:
Cloak is certainly not an I win button, think of cloak more like a button that says "I concede my own personal weakness and inability to adapt to the task at hand so im going to hide like a baby"
That is cloak in a nutshell. I have been a jedi for a long time, but I think this is the most rediculous skill we have. I would like to see it moved to master powers though so that people cant dabble in the coward lines.
Its interesting if you look at the jedi that do hold cloak in their template, and look at their personalities, what I have found, and this is a generalization, but, it seems to me that alot of the jerks, greifers, haters and crybabies have picked this skill up.
There are some exceptions to this of course, but thats what I have found in my experience.
Ifa jedi uses this to avoid death, dont take it as him winning, because he surely did not.
i have to say, this is an interesting argument that i have always used to describe BH's, i have cloak, not for the pwnage, i dont pvp unless someone comes hunting me, but, so that i have the choice back in wether or not i fight yet another rifle/bh/cm for 30mins to an hour before just getting bored to death. so now, i cloak, when his/her ritalin kicks in, and they drop the mision, i go back to whatever i was doing. pre cloak, 24 wins, 4 losses, 1 flee like a frightened jedi, post cloak, 0 wins, 0 loses, 1 very cranky bh who sent me a ton of nasty tells about being a cheater because i let him try to kite me..????...every proff has one i guess.
NO nerf talk please for either side.
Here is a good advice.
Jedi cloaks= drop mission then get another one.
Problem solved.