Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: Cloak = i win button.
Cloak is irritating, but I must say in the end it can be very satisfying to killa jedi that uses it. I was after a Jedi who kept cloaking, He was using it to do hit and runs, but after several attempts he gave up andranfor it. It took me 12 BH droids, but I finally cornered him and took him out. Im guessing he ran out of Force. Took me over an hour of chasing him, finding him, fighting him, losing him again, but in the end I got my victory and truth be told it was a lot of fun.
I feel the biggest problem is a lot of the newer BH's just want to get a Jedi misison and run and kill there marks with as little resistance as possible. They feel because there BH's they should get the upper hand against Jedi. This will never be, so if you can not live with this you need to start grinding another profession. BH profession is for those who like a challange not for the type of people who play a game and the first time they get stuck they break out the cheat codes. If your strategy is not working againt certain jedi's then adjust it, try something else. Have you tried using a bomb droid while the jedi is busy fighting a krayt? If you time it right it can work out pretty good.
Virtuell wrote:
Aeschyl wrote:
master_nick wrote:
it's not a i win button, it's a get away button
not when they use it for the first-strike ability
You just want to take away an edge another profession has.
no, actually my jedi is a Master Powers jedi - please try to avoid looking stupid next time....you'll look less... ... stupid
Tanks wrote:
Aeschyl wrote:
master_nick wrote:
it's not a i win button, it's a get away button
not when they use it for the first-strike ability
Per devs, it is envisoned to be an Alpha Strike ability. So, it is working as designed. FWIW, if in a fight, a Jedi cloaks to getaway/regen etc., well, then you know if/when he comes back to counter it by making sure that he can not cloak. Heck, if you are having 45 min. fights then you, most probably, are a CM and have to be pretty close anyway.
lol bro, i wasnt saying that jedi SHOULDNT use it as a first strike ability, i think that jedi that can pull that off are smart and they have every right to do so
i was telling master_nick that it's not just a "get away" button - but thank you for your input - much love 
LOL. I was at one stage taking your comments seriously LOL
thelar wrote:
Calel_Haven wrote:
thelar wrote:
Cloak is certainly not an I win button, think of cloak more like a button that says "I concede my own personal weakness and inability to adapt to the task at hand so im going to hide like a baby"
That is cloak in a nutshell. I have been a jedi for a long time, but I think this is the most rediculous skill we have. I would like to see it moved to master powers though so that people cant dabble in the coward lines.
Its interesting if you look at the jedi that do hold cloak in their template, and look at their personalities, what I have found, and this is a generalization, but, it seems to me that alot of the jerks, greifers, haters and crybabies have picked this skill up.
There are some exceptions to this of course, but thats what I have found in my experience.
Ifa jedi uses this to avoid death, dont take it as him winning, because he surely did not.
HAHAHA, that's pretty funny but very wrong.
Or simply, and more realistically, "I have no way to kill you becuase I have cloak so I'm going to USE the skill I've invested a lot of time in to obtain."
It has nothing to do with being a baby or a coward, it's about being smart, and tbh, comments like yours dont help. Generalising is not constructive becuase we all know that everyone is different. It's like saying all BH are griefers becase they only want to kill other players.
Sorry man, in my experience, which is not very narrow, thats what I have seen. As far as time goes, what was that, a whole hour or 2?
WaDD111 wrote:
Eskie wrote:
lexasan wrote:
80% who post here are Jedi
What do you expect in a thread started about a Jedi skill giving false information about said Jedi skill?
i expect less b|tch|n and trollin, and more constructive opinions,but i'm wrong.
false information huh?
answer please:
what can break cloack?(its about balance)
and can you prevent jedi from cloaking by staing near 20m from mark all the time during battle?.
anyway its my last post in this thread. i'm sure jedi cloak ability will be tunet in a few next publishes. thank to all for spended time.
a) You can break cloak by running the Jedi out of Force.
b) You can prevent a Jedi from Cloaking by staying closer than 20m at all times. MBH / MCM / Rifles 4000 does not have the crowd control abilities necessary to do this - but currently balance is implemented by not allowing all templates an easy shot at all other templates. You need a well-rounded group to be able to take on all kinds of opponents. Since BH vs. Jedi is mostly 1 vs 1, you either meet a mark that you can kill easily or you might find one that you cannot kill very easily. If you are MBH / MCM you have a very good chance of killing MDef / MLS / Enh 0002 / Heal 3000 Jedi, you dont have a good chance of killing Powers x4xx Jedi. If you dont like it, change your template to get more crowd control instead of damage dealing or healing. Of course you will make yourself more vulnerable to MDef / MLS Jedi in the process.
c) You can prevent a Jedi from Cloaking by using smart tactics. If he doesnt know you are there and you can kill him in 3 to 4 shots, you won. MBH / MRM / Pistols 0004 can do this, among others. You need to stalk your mark, though. Just running in guns blazing only works against tank-type Jedi.
thelar wrote:Cloak is certainly not an I win button, think of cloak more like a button that says "I concede my own personal weakness and inability to adapt to the task at hand so im going to hide like a baby"
That is cloak in a nutshell. I have been a jedi for a long time, but I think this is the most rediculous skill we have. I would like to see it moved to master powers though so that people cant dabble in the coward lines.
Its interesting if you look at the jedi that do hold cloak in their template, and look at their personalities, what I have found, and this is a generalization, but, it seems to me that alot of the jerks, greifers, haters and crybabies have picked this skill up.
There are some exceptions to this of course, but thats what I have found in my experience.
Ifa jedi uses this to avoid death, dont take it as him winning, because he surely did not.
So... cloak is cowardly? Do you also consider fightclubbing FRS xp a cowardly act Mr Jedi Guardian?
to the OP... Your template can not be expected to beat all fully templated Jedi. As somebody said... paper, scissors, rock. Your template should win 33% of the time, lose 33% of the time, and be forced into a stalemate 33% of the time. That is a balanced system with jedi at 1:1 power of BH's.
Now... if you want to beat cloakers, there are ways to do it. I did it often as a Carbineer/BH with some pistols for crowd control. I attacked in busy areas and I never let them leave the area to cloak. Simple!
If you are a CM/BH, then you are simply not set up to beat a cloaker. This as your "weakness"... now either change template, or learn to accept that you will not win every encounter.
I have a Master Powers/Master Enhancer toon. Unless you kill me in the first 10 seconds you are never going to kill him. He has been beaten twice since the CU... Once by a good, sneaky BH who waited 20mins before revealing himself (rifleman conceal). I was dead in 5 seconds... The other got me the day the tef changes went live as I was logging in my public GH...
Anyways... if I feel I am not going to win an encounter, I will Stasis, FR3 and Cloak... this is not a cowardly act... I am a pve support character who is not equipped to pvp solo. I will not usually kill a BH, because it is not possible for me to do so in most cases (their heals > my dps).
I have always loved teh BH proffession and have played one for a long time. I stopped shortly after the CU because of the respeccers anoying me... anyway, I have always pointed out.. it is the job of the BH to kill the Jedi, but it is NOT the job of the Jedi to kill the BH. All the Jedi needs to think about is surviving the encounter using any tools necessary, whilst you need to stop that happening at all costs. If a jedi has escaped, then you have failed. Either drop the mission, or wait a while before trying again, and adapt your tactics if you need to.
not the jedi's fault
Miffo wrote:
you failed you to kill your mark and you let your mark get away. So its your fault
may be... but can you stay with you mark in 20m range always?
simple root, and ..... +Cloak+
thelar wrote:
Mosuger wrote:
Cloak is in no way an I win button (unlike AI lol), it is simply a getaway button. Drop the mission and move on. There's no rule that says you have to be able to fight your mark to the death. We initiate the strike, but ultimately they have the choice as to whether or not they stay and fight.
Wish I had cloak...I'd use it as a sneak tactic lol
AI is not an I win button at all, in fact its more of a hinderance then anything else. When a jedi goes into AI, hes not going to win anything, all he is doing is delaying his death, and if his opponents are half way competent then he is going to die, and thats about that.
If a jedi goes into AI, just back away from him, hes now become useless, he cant reach you, he cant catch you, and hes draining his force like a mofo.
/agreed, and I'll point out that many, many BH's have said much the same about AI. Once a Jedi uses AI in PVP, he's pretty much dead.
HeadRoll wrote:
Nekra wrote:
So now you guys got your wish and you are still crying cause you are winning and forceing the jedi to run... What is it that you want?
PERMADEATH, THAT'S THE ONLY SOLUTION TO GET RID OF EBAY JEDI LIKE YOU
And corporal punishment is the only way to fix you.
Calel_Haven wrote:
LOL. I was at one stage taking your comments seriously LOL
thelar wrote:
Calel_Haven wrote:
thelar wrote:
Cloak is certainly not an I win button, think of cloak more like a button that says "I concede my own personal weakness and inability to adapt to the task at hand so im going to hide like a baby"
That is cloak in a nutshell. I have been a jedi for a long time, but I think this is the most rediculous skill we have. I would like to see it moved to master powers though so that people cant dabble in the coward lines.
Its interesting if you look at the jedi that do hold cloak in their template, and look at their personalities, what I have found, and this is a generalization, but, it seems to me that alot of the jerks, greifers, haters and crybabies have picked this skill up.
There are some exceptions to this of course, but thats what I have found in my experience.
Ifa jedi uses this to avoid death, dont take it as him winning, because he surely did not.
HAHAHA, that's pretty funny but very wrong.
Or simply, and more realistically, "I have no way to kill you becuase I have cloak so I'm going to USE the skill I've invested a lot of time in to obtain."
It has nothing to do with being a baby or a coward, it's about being smart, and tbh, comments like yours dont help. Generalising is not constructive becuase we all know that everyone is different. It's like saying all BH are griefers becase they only want to kill other players.
Sorry man, in my experience, which is not very narrow, thats what I have seen. As far as time goes, what was that, a whole hour or 2?
Dude, ive been a jedi for a long time, ive done the grind in all formats and systems now, and I can tell you to gain 0400 in any jedi tree can be done in a matter of a couple of hours now if you have yourself a proper group. Its no big deal anymore.