Bounty Hunter Archive

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Tucheck wrote:
As for your "exploit"....that is grieving and NOT an exploit. I'd be willing to bet that two things happen when a Jedi gets killed by the same BH that just killed them:

1) The Jedi does NOT lose anymore XP

2) The BH doesn't get paid twice

*EDIT*If your talking about a BH taking a mission within minutes of a Jedi dying to a different BH....that's working as intended. It seems to me that if a Jedi can gain vis from the same members of a "grinding group", then that Jedi can gain vis while fighting a BH once they show up to kill them. See...that's the difference. I'm simply searching the BH terms, minding my own business when Jedi X got DBed 10 minutes before...and adding to his/her vis by fighting the BH in front of the griding group. So I see the mission ans I take it, not knowing what happened on a different planet 10 minutes ago. So I show up, and do my thing....there is a BIG difference in intentions.

Message Edited by Tucheck on 06-21-2005 01:12 PM

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As for the first part, it doesn't sound like you know for certain what happens but you're sure it's not an exploit. How can you claim it's not an exploit when you don't know the outcome?

As for the second part, that is a straight-up bug, and you know it. Vis supposed to clear when DB'd. That would include the vis you gain while losing in the fight that gets you DB'd.

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Leatherneck_of_Alderaan wrote:

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Tucheck wrote:
As for your "exploit"....that is grieving and NOT an exploit. I'd be willing to bet that two things happen when a Jedi gets killed by the same BH that just killed them:

1) The Jedi does NOT lose anymore XP

2) The BH doesn't get paid twice

*EDIT*If your talking about a BH taking a mission within minutes of a Jedi dying to a different BH....that's working as intended. It seems to me that if a Jedi can gain vis from the same members of a "grinding group", then that Jedi can gain vis while fighting a BH once they show up to kill them. See...that's the difference. I'm simply searching the BH terms, minding my own business when Jedi X got DBed 10 minutes before...and adding to his/her vis by fighting the BH in front of the griding group. So I see the mission ans I take it, not knowing what happened on a different planet 10 minutes ago. So I show up, and do my thing....there is a BIG difference in intentions.

Message Edited by Tucheck on 06-21-2005 01:12 PM

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As for the first part, it doesn't sound like you know for certain what happens but you're sure it's not an exploit. How can you claim it's not an exploit when you don't know the outcome?

As for the second part, that is a straight-up bug, and you know it. Vis supposed to clear when DB'd. That would include the vis you gain while losing in the fight that gets you DB'd.

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I'm saying I'm not sure what Althus_Alen is trying to say is an "exploit", and I'm not too sure anyone else is, as it's not even on the top issues for the Jedi.

Leatherneck, I DON'T know it's a stright up "bug" now (post CU)....if it is, why is it not listed? I check the updated list for issues on both the BH and Jedi forums, and I don't see this as being much of a issue at all according to your list. Hell, saber animation is on there....but missions clearing after a DB is not? I guess it's a good thing you guys are getting a new Corr. Besides, we can talk in circles for a long time on these forums, but as much as you want me to admit it's an unlisted bug, you should admit that there is a BIG difference between a BH who JUST picked up a mission (UNAWARE), and an intentional exploit. Seems to me that even IF this "bug" were fixed, and a grinding Jedi only saw 2 BHs a week....Jedi would STILL use the Jedi TEF exploit to save the precious XP.

I will say this....if it is in fact a bug, and NOT intentional, I DO hope it gets fixed and quickly. I believe this would cut down dramatically on the number of "AFK house sitting" Jedi just trying to clear their vis. Thus resulting in BHs finding more "active" Jedi.


To you, Lokiandra....

I accept your apology, as you accepted mine. Let's call it a day, no harm, no foul, and leave it at that, like we have done before. You have made a "name" for yourself here....pledging NOT to run into a house after attacking a BH who has your mission. Honor is overrated though (exploits aside), and it's staying alive that counts for a Jedi, so I think time will tell the full story here. The only thing I wills ay for sure is this....I KNOW we sat in front of your Guild and talked about the "TEF exploit". It was your hunt that gave me the idea.....did you say you would do it again? I'm not prone to making things up just to make a point. As a matter of fact, if you can't tell, I usually provide proof, and I'm very analytical. However, like us all, I am human. Perhaps you didn't say you would do it again....but like I said...time will tell the rest of that story. I have no problem with you, and I thank you for the hospitality and demure you demonstrated in the face of someone trying to kill you. It only strengthens the fact that not all Jedi missions are personal, and while we all (BHs) may have our own reason for playing our professions....it's can be civil.


"When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite."
-Sir Winston Churchill

First off I would like to aplogize I dont read the forums that much and the few posts I do have were tryin to sell something, I do not know of bugs or exploits or any of the above he accused me of using a bug to break paralyze which hell I havent ever even been a CM so I didnt know I was paralyzed just knew I couldnt do anything I treated this fight like I have any other in this game even back when I played a launch had no buffs no armor or anything or like I do any game as a matter of fact. go somewhere fix yourself and fight some more I personnaly love this game but what I really play is FPS so I guess that is where my fault came into play here I have never once been teffed by a BH where I could not go inside so I didnt even know I wasnt posed to be doin that.....which if that is the intended way I wont be attackin back anymore for that I fault myself wont happen again im sorry, but if it is not a bug and just lame of me to run inside a house and not fight I know I cant win so be it tag me with lame do whatever I dont care..but as for the exploit of me runnin in and out and fightin I promise wont happen again now.

And tubeck I really wish during that conversation you had with me after I logged on my alt you would have brought that to my attention then I would have personaly apologized to you as opposed to a friend of mine sayin that he saw a thread about me beein a exploiter.

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Althus_Alen wrote:

is reduced to using CL differences to make up for his lack of skill in the current system. On my server some of the "known" BH's have totally disappeared since the CU took away their uber weapons, the real source of their "skill".

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Leatherneck_of_Alderaan wrote:

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Tucheck wrote:

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Leatherneck_of_Alderaan wrote:

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Tucheck wrote:

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Leatherneck_of_Alderaan wrote:

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Tucheck wrote:
As for your "exploit"....that is grieving and NOT an exploit. I'd be willing to bet that two things happen when a Jedi gets killed by the same BH that just killed them:

1) The Jedi does NOT lose anymore XP

2) The BH doesn't get paid twice

*EDIT*If your talking about a BH taking a mission within minutes of a Jedi dying to a different BH....that's working as intended. It seems to me that if a Jedi can gain vis from the same members of a "grinding group", then that Jedi can gain vis while fighting a BH once they show up to kill them. See...that's the difference. I'm simply searching the BH terms, minding my own business when Jedi X got DBed 10 minutes before...and adding to his/her vis by fighting the BH in front of the griding group. So I see the mission ans I take it, not knowing what happened on a different planet 10 minutes ago. So I show up, and do my thing....there is a BIG difference in intentions.

Message Edited by Tucheck on 06-21-2005 01:12 PM

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As for the first part, it doesn't sound like you know for certain what happens but you're sure it's not an exploit. How can you claim it's not an exploit when you don't know the outcome?

As for the second part, that is a straight-up bug, and you know it. Vis supposed to clear when DB'd. That would include the vis you gain while losing in the fight that gets you DB'd.

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I'm saying I'm not sure what Althus_Alen is trying to say is an "exploit", and I'm not too sure anyone else is, as it's not even on the top issues for the Jedi.

Leatherneck, I DON'T know it's a stright up "bug" now (post CU)....if it is, why is it not listed? I check the updated list for issues on both the BH and Jedi forums, and I don't see this as being much of a issue at all according to your list. Hell, saber animation is on there....but missions clearing after a DB is not? I guess it's a good thing you guys are getting a new Corr. Besides, we can talk in circles for a long time on these forums, but as much as you want me to admit it's an unlisted bug, you should admit that there is a BIG difference between a BH who JUST picked up a mission (UNAWARE), and an intentional exploit. Seems to me that even IF this "bug" were fixed, and a grinding Jedi only saw 2 BHs a week....Jedi would STILL use the Jedi TEF exploit to save the precious XP.

I will say this....if it is in fact a bug, and NOT intentional, I DO hope it gets fixed and quickly. I believe this would cut down dramatically on the number of "AFK house sitting" Jedi just trying to clear their vis. Thus resulting in BHs finding more "active" Jedi.

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Well the first point. BH gets mission. BH fails mission. BH-without even visiting the terminals-can still attack the Jedi. Now given that the mission is over upon failure, that's a bug. Choosing to attack the Jedi makes it an exploit.

As far as the second one goes, it's common knowledge that Vis is supposed to clear upon DB by a BH. If it does NOT clear, then it's not working properly. I will agree absolutely that a third party BH who picks up the mission isn't exploiting it in any way, shape or form. They have no knowledge that the DB has occurred. That's why I called it a bug and not an exploit.

However, if you DB me and go to the mission terminal 5 minutes later and see me on the terms again, you know it's not realistic that I picked up that much vis in 5 minutes, when you include travel time to get back the the group, time spent swearing up a blue-streak for having lost exp, time spent sending stupid hate-tells and threatening to make your digital life a living hell (ok, that last one was a Joke. I'd never do that or condone doing that. The swearing thing, that's accurate though.).

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First off, you know I love ya....you and I are "old school" long term vets in here.

Second....I will not say it doesn't exit...I've just never seen it happen. More then once I've been less then 1K away from a Jedi I'm hunting when I see the system message "mission incomplete" because someone else got the DB before I even got to the Jedi. I've never stuck aorund to see if I could attack the Jedi once s/he recovered because there was nothing left to gain from fighting that Jedi. As for failed missions....then returning....I don't know....seems like a gray area. If I fail a mission, I usually end up 3 or 4K away in a cloner and I don't go back simply to "fight" the Jedi. Like I said, nothing to gain. If BHs ARE in fact doing this, then this is still just a bug and not an exploit. There is STILL nothing (I can see) advantageous about attacking a Jedi without a mission. No XP loss, no credits gained. As we all know, the defining characteristic of an exploit is having an advantage. This sounds more like grieving and harassment, but hardly an advantage for using a "combat" bug. Just my opinion, and just being honest. Now if you tell me a Jedi losses XP from a BH who doesn't have a mission....THAT'S an exploit. The BH now has an advantage over the Jedi by "keeping the Jedi weak" through foul means.

Last one....as for being able to take a Jedi mission over and over again even ONCE you kill the Jedi. Again, I have yet to see this for myself. This....I would consider an exploit....and the kids are up, so I'll leave it there.

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Guildmate of mine took a mission on a Jedi. Dropped the mission. He can still attack that Jedi. To this day, days later, he can still attack. I first found out about it on Saturday when someone dropped a mission on me and I was told by my guild I shoulda killed them.

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But....DO you lose XP for the loss? Does the BH gain credits for the kill. I will do independant testing tonight. This COULD lead to a BH walking around with multiple bounties on more then ONE Jedi. THAT would be an exploit as a result of a bug...and THAT needs fixed ASAP.

However, I fear it is tied into the current BH-Jedi TEF which is tied into the GCW TEF (so say the Devs), and has NO date for a fix in sight.

so many words

Pic #4: "You cannot Knockdown Recovery while Knocked Down"

LMAO!!!

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Althus_Alen wrote:

The Jedi bug list is the equivalent of five seperate profession's bug lists with an extra layer for their interaction. Jedi have so many bugsthey don't have the luxury ofaddingall bugs/exploits intheir "to do" list.Any comparison to a regular profession bug list is laughable, moreso because Jedi didn't get any testing pre-CU - unlike BH for example. The profession is a mess, just look at the changes coming in the next patch.

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I think the original point was still valid - if it really does exist in any major capacity, why doesn't it get top billing on the Bug List over stupid crap like animations? You would think a bug that would affect all branches of Jedi with the potential of making them miserable would get a little more attention from the people allegedly suffering from it.

So there you have it folks. This is what Bounty Hunting has come down to for me. I guess I should have used better tactics though right?

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Tucheck wrote:

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Leatherneck_of_Alderaan wrote:

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Tucheck wrote:
As for your "exploit"....that is grieving and NOT an exploit. I'd be willing to bet that two things happen when a Jedi gets killed by the same BH that just killed them:

1) The Jedi does NOT lose anymore XP

2) The BH doesn't get paid twice

*EDIT*If your talking about a BH taking a mission within minutes of a Jedi dying to a different BH....that's working as intended. It seems to me that if a Jedi can gain vis from the same members of a "grinding group", then that Jedi can gain vis while fighting a BH once they show up to kill them. See...that's the difference. I'm simply searching the BH terms, minding my own business when Jedi X got DBed 10 minutes before...and adding to his/her vis by fighting the BH in front of the griding group. So I see the mission ans I take it, not knowing what happened on a different planet 10 minutes ago. So I show up, and do my thing....there is a BIG difference in intentions.

Message Edited by Tucheck on 06-21-2005 01:12 PM

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As for the first part, it doesn't sound like you know for certain what happens but you're sure it's not an exploit. How can you claim it's not an exploit when you don't know the outcome?

As for the second part, that is a straight-up bug, and you know it. Vis supposed to clear when DB'd. That would include the vis you gain while losing in the fight that gets you DB'd.

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I'm saying I'm not sure what Althus_Alen is trying to say is an "exploit", and I'm not too sure anyone else is, as it's not even on the top issues for the Jedi.

Leatherneck, I DON'T know it's a stright up "bug" now (post CU)....if it is, why is it not listed? I check the updated list for issues on both the BH and Jedi forums, and I don't see this as being much of a issue at all according to your list. Hell, saber animation is on there....but missions clearing after a DB is not? I guess it's a good thing you guys are getting a new Corr. Besides, we can talk in circles for a long time on these forums, but as much as you want me to admit it's an unlisted bug, you should admit that there is a BIG difference between a BH who JUST picked up a mission (UNAWARE), and an intentional exploit. Seems to me that even IF this "bug" were fixed, and a grinding Jedi only saw 2 BHs a week....Jedi would STILL use the Jedi TEF exploit to save the precious XP.

I will say this....if it is in fact a bug, and NOT intentional, I DO hope it gets fixed and quickly. I believe this would cut down dramatically on the number of "AFK house sitting" Jedi just trying to clear their vis. Thus resulting in BHs finding more "active" Jedi.

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Well the first point. BH gets mission. BH fails mission. BH-without even visiting the terminals-can still attack the Jedi. Now given that the mission is over upon failure, that's a bug. Choosing to attack the Jedi makes it an exploit.

As far as the second one goes, it's common knowledge that Vis is supposed to clear upon DB by a BH. If it does NOT clear, then it's not working properly. I will agree absolutely that a third party BH who picks up the mission isn't exploiting it in any way, shape or form. They have no knowledge that the DB has occurred. That's why I called it a bug and not an exploit.

However, if you DB me and go to the mission terminal 5 minutes later and see me on the terms again, you know it's not realistic that I picked up that much vis in 5 minutes, when you include travel time to get back the the group, time spent swearing up a blue-streak for having lost exp, time spent sending stupid hate-tells and threatening to make your digital life a living hell (ok, that last one was a Joke. I'd never do that or condone doing that. The swearing thing, that's accurate though.).