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Leatherneck_of_Alderaan wrote:

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Tucheck wrote:

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Leatherneck_of_Alderaan wrote:

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Tucheck wrote:
As for your "exploit"....that is grieving and NOT an exploit. I'd be willing to bet that two things happen when a Jedi gets killed by the same BH that just killed them:

1) The Jedi does NOT lose anymore XP

2) The BH doesn't get paid twice

*EDIT*If your talking about a BH taking a mission within minutes of a Jedi dying to a different BH....that's working as intended. It seems to me that if a Jedi can gain vis from the same members of a "grinding group", then that Jedi can gain vis while fighting a BH once they show up to kill them. See...that's the difference. I'm simply searching the BH terms, minding my own business when Jedi X got DBed 10 minutes before...and adding to his/her vis by fighting the BH in front of the griding group. So I see the mission ans I take it, not knowing what happened on a different planet 10 minutes ago. So I show up, and do my thing....there is a BIG difference in intentions.

Message Edited by Tucheck on 06-21-2005 01:12 PM

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As for the first part, it doesn't sound like you know for certain what happens but you're sure it's not an exploit. How can you claim it's not an exploit when you don't know the outcome?

As for the second part, that is a straight-up bug, and you know it. Vis supposed to clear when DB'd. That would include the vis you gain while losing in the fight that gets you DB'd.

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I'm saying I'm not sure what Althus_Alen is trying to say is an "exploit", and I'm not too sure anyone else is, as it's not even on the top issues for the Jedi.

Leatherneck, I DON'T know it's a stright up "bug" now (post CU)....if it is, why is it not listed? I check the updated list for issues on both the BH and Jedi forums, and I don't see this as being much of a issue at all according to your list. Hell, saber animation is on there....but missions clearing after a DB is not? I guess it's a good thing you guys are getting a new Corr. Besides, we can talk in circles for a long time on these forums, but as much as you want me to admit it's an unlisted bug, you should admit that there is a BIG difference between a BH who JUST picked up a mission (UNAWARE), and an intentional exploit. Seems to me that even IF this "bug" were fixed, and a grinding Jedi only saw 2 BHs a week....Jedi would STILL use the Jedi TEF exploit to save the precious XP.

I will say this....if it is in fact a bug, and NOT intentional, I DO hope it gets fixed and quickly. I believe this would cut down dramatically on the number of "AFK house sitting" Jedi just trying to clear their vis. Thus resulting in BHs finding more "active" Jedi.

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Well the first point. BH gets mission. BH fails mission. BH-without even visiting the terminals-can still attack the Jedi. Now given that the mission is over upon failure, that's a bug. Choosing to attack the Jedi makes it an exploit.

As far as the second one goes, it's common knowledge that Vis is supposed to clear upon DB by a BH. If it does NOT clear, then it's not working properly. I will agree absolutely that a third party BH who picks up the mission isn't exploiting it in any way, shape or form. They have no knowledge that the DB has occurred. That's why I called it a bug and not an exploit.

However, if you DB me and go to the mission terminal 5 minutes later and see me on the terms again, you know it's not realistic that I picked up that much vis in 5 minutes, when you include travel time to get back the the group, time spent swearing up a blue-streak for having lost exp, time spent sending stupid hate-tells and threatening to make your digital life a living hell (ok, that last one was a Joke. I'd never do that or condone doing that. The swearing thing, that's accurate though.).

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First off, you know I love ya....you and I are "old school" long term vets in here.

Second....I will not say it doesn't exit...I've just never seen it happen. More then once I've been less then 1K away from a Jedi I'm hunting when I see the system message "mission incomplete" because someone else got the DB before I even got to the Jedi. I've never stuck aorund to see if I could attack the Jedi once s/he recovered because there was nothing left to gain from fighting that Jedi. As for failed missions....then returning....I don't know....seems like a gray area. If I fail a mission, I usually end up 3 or 4K away in a cloner and I don't go back simply to "fight" the Jedi. Like I said, nothing to gain. If BHs ARE in fact doing this, then this is still just a bug and not an exploit. There is STILL nothing (I can see) advantageous about attacking a Jedi without a mission. No XP loss, no credits gained. As we all know, the defining characteristic of an exploit is having an advantage. This sounds more like grieving and harassment, but hardly an advantage for using a "combat" bug. Just my opinion, and just being honest. Now if you tell me a Jedi losses XP from a BH who doesn't have a mission....THAT'S an exploit. The BH now has an advantage over the Jedi by "keeping the Jedi weak" through foul means.

Last one....as for being able to take a Jedi mission over and over again even ONCE you kill the Jedi. Again, I have yet to see this for myself. This....I would consider an exploit....and the kids are up, so I'll leave it there.

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Tucheck wrote:

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Leatherneck_of_Alderaan wrote:

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Tucheck wrote:

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Leatherneck_of_Alderaan wrote:

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Tucheck wrote:
As for your "exploit"....that is grieving and NOT an exploit. I'd be willing to bet that two things happen when a Jedi gets killed by the same BH that just killed them:

1) The Jedi does NOT lose anymore XP

2) The BH doesn't get paid twice

*EDIT*If your talking about a BH taking a mission within minutes of a Jedi dying to a different BH....that's working as intended. It seems to me that if a Jedi can gain vis from the same members of a "grinding group", then that Jedi can gain vis while fighting a BH once they show up to kill them. See...that's the difference. I'm simply searching the BH terms, minding my own business when Jedi X got DBed 10 minutes before...and adding to his/her vis by fighting the BH in front of the griding group. So I see the mission ans I take it, not knowing what happened on a different planet 10 minutes ago. So I show up, and do my thing....there is a BIG difference in intentions.

Message Edited by Tucheck on 06-21-2005 01:12 PM

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As for the first part, it doesn't sound like you know for certain what happens but you're sure it's not an exploit. How can you claim it's not an exploit when you don't know the outcome?

As for the second part, that is a straight-up bug, and you know it. Vis supposed to clear when DB'd. That would include the vis you gain while losing in the fight that gets you DB'd.

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I'm saying I'm not sure what Althus_Alen is trying to say is an "exploit", and I'm not too sure anyone else is, as it's not even on the top issues for the Jedi.

Leatherneck, I DON'T know it's a stright up "bug" now (post CU)....if it is, why is it not listed? I check the updated list for issues on both the BH and Jedi forums, and I don't see this as being much of a issue at all according to your list. Hell, saber animation is on there....but missions clearing after a DB is not? I guess it's a good thing you guys are getting a new Corr. Besides, we can talk in circles for a long time on these forums, but as much as you want me to admit it's an unlisted bug, you should admit that there is a BIG difference between a BH who JUST picked up a mission (UNAWARE), and an intentional exploit. Seems to me that even IF this "bug" were fixed, and a grinding Jedi only saw 2 BHs a week....Jedi would STILL use the Jedi TEF exploit to save the precious XP.

I will say this....if it is in fact a bug, and NOT intentional, I DO hope it gets fixed and quickly. I believe this would cut down dramatically on the number of "AFK house sitting" Jedi just trying to clear their vis. Thus resulting in BHs finding more "active" Jedi.

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Well the first point. BH gets mission. BH fails mission. BH-without even visiting the terminals-can still attack the Jedi. Now given that the mission is over upon failure, that's a bug. Choosing to attack the Jedi makes it an exploit.

As far as the second one goes, it's common knowledge that Vis is supposed to clear upon DB by a BH. If it does NOT clear, then it's not working properly. I will agree absolutely that a third party BH who picks up the mission isn't exploiting it in any way, shape or form. They have no knowledge that the DB has occurred. That's why I called it a bug and not an exploit.

However, if you DB me and go to the mission terminal 5 minutes later and see me on the terms again, you know it's not realistic that I picked up that much vis in 5 minutes, when you include travel time to get back the the group, time spent swearing up a blue-streak for having lost exp, time spent sending stupid hate-tells and threatening to make your digital life a living hell (ok, that last one was a Joke. I'd never do that or condone doing that. The swearing thing, that's accurate though.).

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First off, you know I love ya....you and I are "old school" long term vets in here.

Second....I will not say it doesn't exit...I've just never seen it happen. More then once I've been less then 1K away from a Jedi I'm hunting when I see the system message "mission incomplete" because someone else got the DB before I even got to the Jedi. I've never stuck aorund to see if I could attack the Jedi once s/he recovered because there was nothing left to gain from fighting that Jedi. As for failed missions....then returning....I don't know....seems like a gray area. If I fail a mission, I usually end up 3 or 4K away in a cloner and I don't go back simply to "fight" the Jedi. Like I said, nothing to gain. If BHs ARE in fact doing this, then this is still just a bug and not an exploit. There is STILL nothing (I can see) advantageous about attacking a Jedi without a mission. No XP loss, no credits gained. As we all know, the defining characteristic of an exploit is having an advantage. This sounds more like grieving and harassment, but hardly an advantage for using a "combat" bug. Just my opinion, and just being honest. Now if you tell me a Jedi losses XP from a BH who doesn't have a mission....THAT'S an exploit. The BH now has an advantage over the Jedi by "keeping the Jedi weak" through foul means.

Last one....as for being able to take a Jedi mission over and over again even ONCE you kill the Jedi. Again, I have yet to see this for myself. This....I would consider an exploit....and the kids are up, so I'll leave it there.

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Guildmate of mine took a mission on a Jedi. Dropped the mission. He can still attack that Jedi. To this day, days later, he can still attack. I first found out about it on Saturday when someone dropped a mission on me and I was told by my guild I shoulda killed them.

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masselin wrote:
So there you have it folks. This is what Bounty Hunting has come down to for me. I guess I should have used better tactics though right?

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right. try to use better tactics next time bro and maybe you won't suck so hard as a bounty hunter failing 4 out of 5 missions.

if a mark escapes from you once, i guess you just give up and go after someone else. doesn't sound like you're much of a bounty hunter at all. sounds like you want to pvp but don't have the balls to go overt and take on more than one other player at a time.

then you spent all that time to make a post with screenshots to describe your failures. okay. we get it. you're a loser. good post.

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Sorry folks...I got distracted. It's a very exciting time in the Galaxy.

Now where was I?

Oh yeah....better tactics. Yeah, I guess next time I'll just send a /tell saying I want to sell a Jedi some pearls on Endor at WP 0,0. LOL

The ONE reason for the Jedi exploiting the BH-Jedi TEF(even if they didn't KNOW it was an exploit of not):

They tried to attack and started to lose. I don't think that makes ME a failure or a loser. I will continue to post exploiting Jedi....

Like this one for as long as I continue to witness it.



This NEXT one SHOULD have been MINE...oh man. I couldn't have picked a better time to attack, he was aggroed by a big mob of Bolls....

Yet another one

I actually had this one all BUT DBd....damn lag

He slid about 8m when the warmup was just over 3/4 done. I think he was still sliding when I took this picture.

Lastly....it's a shame that DOTS cannot incapp....This one would have been his third incapp

So I suck...yeah yeah yeah, go overt and watch as 2 or 3 Jedi uncloak behind me, gank squad sytle, re-cloak on run away. I've found, when I go overt, that many Jedi, both IMP and REB, seem to have a special place for me in the very very bottom of their hearts....but I guess most players get THAT sort of attention from being a weak and useless meatshield?

You call me a failure, hey, it's a free country, and as long as I don't have to feed you or %$#k you, it doesn't mean thatmuch to me, to mean that much to you. However, I don't see failures, I see them as a success everytime an exloiting Jedi tells me THIS.

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Tucheck wrote:
Yeah, I guess next time I'll just send a /tell saying I want to sell a Jedi some pearls on Endor at WP 0,0. LOL

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Dargoth69 wrote:

What do the Jedi think to run into their house in savety, there should be a 5min root that every lame respecBH is able to kill his 90k marks. Its no exploiting if they want to safe their time and work. Its lame to attack a paddy whos is surrounded by 5 Bols lol and if your not able to get this mark...you might be a respecBH ^^

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Ummm Iguess you missed the BIG ASS 80 next to his name in the screenshot. As for the rest of your "broken" comment. Yes...once again, when a Jedi attacks a BH, they should have AT least a 5 minute TEF preventing them from enterting any player controlled structure. Thanks for playing.

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Maxil wrote:
just for clarification...


It's not an exploit as long as the jedi doesn't attack back. But once you do, if you run back in the house your abusing the broken TEF rules

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QFE.

Get over yourself Tucheck. Oh, and the only reason that last one lost and the fight lasted so long is because MPowers is gimped at the moment and costs way too much force.

Try again after Pub 19.

Message Edited by truewildman on 06-22-2005 01:51 PM

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Dargoth69 wrote:

What do the Jedi think to run into their house in savety, there should be a 5min root that every lame respecBH is able to kill his 90k marks. Its no exploiting if they want to safe their time and work. Its lame to attack a paddy whos is surrounded by 5 Bols lol and if your not able to get this mark...you might be a respecBH ^^

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Here's an idea...why don't you learn about how TEF is suppose to work and then come back here.

If you just run and don't fight back, you are allowed to enter into a house. Nothing wrong with that.

If you fight back and then decide to run and hide inside your house, then you are an exploiter.

And don't whine about having a bounty hunter coming after you at 90k. You don't wanna see a BH come after you, learn about visibility and stay off the terms. It can be done. Even in this new system.

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IamCadan wrote:

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Dargoth69 wrote:

What do the Jedi think to run into their house in savety, there should be a 5min root that every lame respecBH is able to kill his 90k marks. Its no exploiting if they want to safe their time and work. Its lame to attack a paddy whos is surrounded by 5 Bols lol and if your not able to get this mark...you might be a respecBH ^^

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Here's an idea...why don't you learn about how TEF is suppose to work and then come back here.

If you just run and don't fight back, you are allowed to enter into a house. Nothing wrong with that.

If you fight back and then decide to run and hide inside your house, then you are an exploiter.

And don't whine about having a bounty hunter coming after you at 90k. You don't wanna see a BH come after you, learn about visibility and stay off the terms. It can be done. Even in this new system.

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but why do that? isn't it easier to blame the system and others for your own stupidity for playing against the rules and just trying to grind as fast as possible and cry about itafter?

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truewildman wrote:

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Maxil wrote:
just for clarification...


It's not an exploit as long as the jedi doesn't attack back. But once you do, if you run back in the house your abusing the broken TEF rules

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QFE.

Get over yourself Tucheck. Oh, and the only reason that last one lost and the fight lasted so long is because MPowers is gimped at the moment and costs way too much force.

Try again after Pub 19.

Message Edited by truewildman on 06-22-2005 01:51 PM

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What? You don't think I'm ready for Pub 19.....damn man, I've been waiting for Pub 19 for almost 2 years now.

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Dargoth69 wrote:

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Here's an idea...why don't you learn about how TEF is suppose to work and then come back here.

If you just run and don't fight back, you are allowed to enter into a house. Nothing wrong with that.

If you fight back and then decide to run and hide inside your house, then you are an exploiter.

And don't whine about having a bounty hunter coming after you at 90k. You don't wanna see a BH come after you, learn about visibility and stay off the terms. It can be done. Even in this new system.

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so its a known bug, like the 40 sec smugglerroot, everyside uses their chances, and no jedi will think oh i attacked back, damned i could run into my house but this would be unfair so i let me pwn by a BH to let him kill me . comeon lol. So complaining about that is completely useless, as long as it isnt fixed, jedi will take their chance

And im no 90k paddy anymore, and have nothing against BHs, think everyone should get one,)

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But that's the point.....YOU DON'T DESERVE TO HAVE THE JEDI YOU ARE TODAY! Many, Jedi don't. So while I, and many many BHs (and some Jedi who actually earned it) sit back and watch all these little Paddies go on gaining XP with impunity, and VERY VERY little risk, they "grow up" to be big bad loud mouths in the community and love to talk about how a Jedi should OWNZ a BH if they even look their direction. Yet, I kicked this Jedi(s) teeth in before s/he could even get a 4th gen LS.

It's cool though....they ended up serving a "means to an end". With the Jedi population "booming", the Devs simply cannot ignore the effect Jedi have on the community. Not JUST the BHs, but the GCW....and in MY opinion, there is nothing, no profession, more important (content based) then the, failing fast-been dead for months, GCW.

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Dargoth69 wrote:

so its a known bug, like the 40 sec smugglerroot, everyside uses their chances, and no jedi will think oh i attacked back, damned i could run into my house but this would be unfair so i let me pwn by a BH to let him kill me . comeon lol. So complaining about that is completely useless, as long as it isnt fixed, jedi will take their chance

And im no 90k paddyanymore, and have nothing against BHs, think everyone should get one,)

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