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Thread: 4 out of 5 Jedi recommend exploiting on a regular basis....
Whiterook99 wrote:
Hey, I fixed the title of your post for you, partner.
One thing I DID notice is that with one exception, everyone you hunted was very low level. Most of them weren't even CL 80. Way to make a point.
80k payout? What did he do? Hit you with his training saber? LOL!
You're right. BH is a terrible profession. It's very broken and you get no love from the devs. You should give it up and become a dancer. They REALLY have it made.
Message Edited by Knightcrest on 06-20-2005 05:38 PM
Whiterook99 wrote:
Hey, I fixed the title of your post for you, partner.
One thing I DID notice is that with one exception, everyone you hunted was very low level. Most of them weren't even CL 80. Way to make a point.
80k payout? What did he do? Hit you with his training saber? LOL!
You're right. BH is a terrible profession. It's very broken and you get no love from the devs. You should give it up and become a dancer. They REALLY have it made.
Whiterook99 wrote:
Hey, I fixed the title of your post for you, partner.
One thing I DID notice is that with one exception, everyone you hunted was very low level. Most of them weren't even CL 80. Way to make a point.
80k payout? What did he do? Hit you with his training saber? LOL!
You're right. BH is a terrible profession. It's very broken and you get no love from the devs. You should give it up and become a dancer. They REALLY have it made.
how about the lvl 80 still ran but a lower lvl didnt? i think that proves that it has little to do with CL and more to do with the fact that they can do it
BuzzardBoy wrote:
Is ittruly an "exploit" when we run into houses? I know the TEF is being worked on, but for the time being I think its legit isn't it? Anyway get stopping or concussion shot and hit them with it when they are almost in the house.
The definition of an exploit is using a bug or unintended circumstance in the game to ones own advantage. It is known that jedi are not supposed to be able to run into their houses after attacking someone.
Thassk wrote:
they didnt include other professions to combat jedi
Knightcrest wrote:
Whiterook99 wrote:
Hey, I fixed the title of your post for you, partner.
One thing I DID notice is that with one exception, everyone you hunted was very low level. Most of them weren't even CL 80. Way to make a point.
80k payout? What did he do? Hit you with his training saber? LOL!
You're right. BH is a terrible profession. It's very broken and you get no love from the devs. You should give it up and become a dancer. They REALLY have it made.
Ok so low CL jedi should be able to run into a house? You have no point except to show your ignorance. He grabbed missions off the term and 4/5 ran to a house after attacking him back. There is no difference as to a CL1 or a CL80 running into a house after hitting back. It is not as intended and fully avoidable on the Jedi end.You are telling me that for CL80 you should not be able to run into a house, but CL79 and below should because the big bad hunter is CL80.Someone mentioned Smuggler's Concussion Shot not working as intended... no it isn't but it is not game breaking. It has a reuse timer, it works as a root instead of a paralyze. Wait until you get slapped with CS after the fix and can have time to set up a sniper shot before you got your last heal off. It is gonna hurt and be harder on you in the long run.I agree with Yojimbo in supporting Tucheck. I don't post much on these boards (because of the posts like the majority of this thread), but from the fights I have seen, he has good timing and works his marks.I gotta find this Spock just for the name myself...Message Edited by Knightcrest on 06-20-2005 05:38 PM
FINE....damnit....I got halfway through reading all of the post (I didn't even know this thread was still going). So just incase you steer clear of my other threads.....
Here is a level 80 Jedi hiding AND exploiting in his house..... So NOW you guys can get off my back about hunting Paddies
However, I STILL, and always WILL prefer to hunt Paddies. When I kill a Padawan it has SOME effect on the player, unlike killing a fully templated Jedi. If a BH needs to stroke his ego, there are TONS of Jedi stading around most any Starport on your server, and you can take one of these on anytime you like. I prefer to make my kills "count". Furthermore, no amount of ridicule is going to make me change my mind on this. I don't need the credits....I'm just trying to play my profession and impact the GCW (
).As for being a good or bad BH, it makes no difference to me what a Jedi thinks....when I kill a Jedi, I don't get a system message telling me that I get a 50% bonus because "Jedi X" thinks I'm a damn good BH. As a matter of fact....once again, in case you missed it....I DO hunt without droids.... Dead Kashyyyk Feral loving Wookie Jedi
And just so there are NO mistakes...the Jedi was a double Mastery (level 80) and NOT AFK... Judge me all you want
The very very bottom line is this:
Jedi who DO exploit just need to grow a pair and admit it. It's not like your going to be banned. What, are you trying to gain respect for saying you DON'T exploit? Don't bother....most Jedi I've seen, and I HAVE seen a TON of Jedi come and go, used SOME type of bug/exploit to obtain a Jedi character. The Jedi numbers are so great now that there is no ONE Jedi that is special any longer.
Now to handle the simple stuff....
Stopping shot as a root, is working as intended and is NOT suppose to break on damage
Paralyze DOES break on damage (not states) and is working as intended
The /duel bug is now fixed Sort of...and a BH cannot challenge the Jedi they have a mission for
SOMEONE....ANYONE....I'm standing here asking for it, "What exploit can a BH use"? Truth be told, I don't think there is a single exploit available to a BH for use on a Jedi. the Devs make sure to fix them within a week of first being reported.
Lokiandra wrote:
oh and on a side note you said you asked me about me runnin into the house was a exploit is not true. The only exploit we talked about was the one about the paralyse which you discovered that you had taken that off me so please do me a favor and do not post lies about me.
if you attack back you shouldnt be able to enter a house. but you did. i believe that you didnt know about it but that is the bug
Lokiandra wrote:oh and on a side note you said you asked me about me runnin into the house was a exploit is not true. The only exploit we talked about was the one about the paralyse which you discovered that you had taken that off me so please do me a favor and do not post lies about me.
Ummm, you still ran into a house after I attacked you. I DO believe you when you say you "didn't know you couldn't do that". THAT, I believe is the majority of the problem, this bug/exploit has been around for so long....many Jedi don't even KNOW how the system is suppose to work. However, I don't think it's in your "best interest" to push for system changes like this, thus, I don't expect you to do so.
As for posting lies about you....I made NO mention of our 40 minute conversation after you logged off your Jedi and onto your alt. It's true, we sat around for about 40 minutes just talking about the game, our professions, and bugs/exploits. During the course of that conversation I DID mention that I couldn't understand how you broke the paralyze state......but NOW be honest, after I figured out what was happening, did I NOT send you a tell apologizing for the misunderstanding, explaining what had happened? Did we not part ways on good terms? Did you not get someone to "unban" me from the city so I didn't have to use a speeder to get back to the Starport? Don't get so defensive about things that were NOT said in this thread, but if you do, make sure you don't tell "half truths".
As for the future....I'd bet my LAST credit that if I pick your mission up tonight, and I come back out to see you, even thought you NOW know it's an exploit, you would STILL try to fight back....only to run back into your house when you get too weak. Or have you leveled some more since we last talked? That WOULDN'T have happened IF the system was working correctly.
You have however, stated the correct method to "silence the BH community" about THIS issue.
To grinding Jedi EVERYWHERE...here is the solution:
Let go of your ego, just let it go, and be rest assured that when you DO make it (and you will, no matter how many BHs come after you) to a fully templated Jedi, you will be stronger then most every BH you see. The problem is this...IMO, many grinding Jedi LOVE to "test" the Jedi skills they have acquired on teh BHs that come to kill them. They find out that many of the Jedi skills are not very powerful at lower levels, they fight, they start to lose, and they end up exploting. Now, the ONLY reason I can think of for a grinding Jedi to simply skip the "attacking back" part of a BH attacking is to shut the BH community up. So in conclusion....if you get attacked, just DON'T attack back, and head for your nearest safe house. While I STILL don't understand the TEF I get for "not attacking back" at the grubber on Naboo that aggroed me 1K away and I STILL get, "You cannot shuttle while in combat, you cannot talk to "NPC name here" while in combat"...it has always been this way, and I will never (OMG, I used an absolute) complain about a Jedi that DIDN'T attack back....but simply ran into a house.
In the meantime....let's try to bring back the "saber TEF"....
NeoBlueMaX wrote:
Ok first of all I am going to defend Ombra here. Her mission is for 40k, she should have run. She is a good player and a very nice person. I also dont see in your combat log at all that she attacked you. If she ran away good for her. She is playing the survival game. I'll have to invite her to one of COBRA's hunting groups so she can level. I can say that the Tefs do work as I shot a jedi last night and the guld hall entrance turned red for me and he couldnt enter as well. I have also seen the Tef kick a jedi right out of a house. THis was 6/20/05 9pm ESTMessage Edited by NeoBlueMaX on 06-21-2005 10:48 AM
Yes....she DID attack me. She missed twice and hit once for (I THINK) about 45 damage, thought about it, then ran. She is the ONE Jedi I forgot to get the comabt log in the picture. Nonetheless, I KNOW it happened, she knows it happened, and that's good enough for me.
Currently there is an increased report that the TEF is "working". Now while I'll try to be a fair person and say that this "new reporting" may be a direct result the many contradictory reports BHs have been posting lately. Simply stated....no one thought to report a "working TEF" until many other start reporting a "broken TEF". However, I'll call BS on this until I start to see it for myself. The BH community has been reporting on this issue for MONTHS now, and I haven't seen anyone claim the TEF was working until the "screenies" and attention started to mount. I hunt A LOT of Jedi, just about every night, so if it DOES work every now and then, I have odds just as good as any other BH to get it to work for me. So far, and for MONTHS now, if a Jedi had a house to run to, that's exactly what they did. Attack and run into a safe house....so I'll believe it when I see it.
Personally, I think these reports, your included, are a lame attempt to make people believe this issue doesn't exist. There is only one problem....it KEEPS happening to us, the BH community on a nightly basis, sometimes multiple times. Besides, even if you are telling the truth.....a Jedi getting a TEF even 1 out of 2 times is STILL not enough....
WE, the BH community, what this exploit AND the system FIXED.
Thanks
Yojimbo115 wrote:
He's actually a great BH, one of the best on the Shadowfire server.
Tubeck and I have had our outspoken differences, and there is plenty of proof of that, and I'll still tell anyone out there that he's one hell of a Bounty Hunter that many on Shadowfire and here look up to. Hell, I've been a hunter since November '03 and I could even stand to pick up some tips from him.
As for levels, I'll hunt whatever is on the terminals. I don't care if it's a 40k Jedi, if they're on the terminals I'm gonna hunt and do my best to kill them. Am I a big ol bully to teh baby padanubs? Sure I am. But thats the joy of being a roleplaying BH, I can be all the @$$hole I can be. Who do you suppose should be allowed to hunt the baby paddys? lvl 40 BH's? Or should we let them grind themselves silly till they're strong enough to beat us 90% of the time? No thanks.
Don't make assumptions and accusations when you son't know the facts and events behind them. Many of us deal with the Jedi exploits daily, Tubeck just makes them known and is vocal in hopes that we might get some changes to the way that SOE's golden children play with their "I win" button.
He might have been good pre CU (I even said so), but from all the information provided in his numerous posts - he isn't post CU. He doesn't understand some moves on both sides (according to his own posts, he might have learned by now) and is reduced to using CL differences to make up for his lack of skill in the current system. On my server some of the "known" BH's have totally disappeared since the CU took away their uber weapons, the real source of their "skill".
He also explicitly states he attacks low level Jedi to cause XP loss and other detrimental effects to another player. That's a feeble and childish reason to play a BH. I play for the fun of the hunt and the fight, I couldn't care less if the Jedi lost XP at the end of it. That's why I said his attitude is bad for the game.
The EULA and Holocron state that roleplaying is no excuse for being an "@sshole" Hunt low level Jedi if you want, I don't mind, but don't then come here whining because you lack the skill to kill Jedi further along their skill progression. Many BH can kill 170k+ Jedi, the problem is not the game or the system - it's you.
I deal with Jedi bugs/exploits everyday too, I'm a BH after all. I also deal with BH bugs and exploits every day because I am also a Jedi. Both classes have their players that don't deserve to play this game, and both classes have good and honourable players. Posters such as Tucheck do the game a disservice with their one sided ranting.
Since Tucheck thinks there are no BH bugs (despite me posting a list before), here is one for you - killing the same Jedi in the space of 10 mins without the Jedi gaining visibility inbetween the DB's and without the BH getting a mission the second time. The TEF can persist for that BH and other BH who had the mission before the first DB. I have seen this from both sides, getting killed by a BH exploiting this bug and by having a TEF persist on my BH. Naturally I informed the Jedi and didn't attack again.
Althus_Alen wrote:
Yojimbo115 wrote:
He's actually a great BH, one of the best on the Shadowfire server.Tubeck and I have had our outspoken differences, and there is plenty of proof of that, and I'll still tell anyone out there that he's one hell of a Bounty Hunter that many on Shadowfire and here look up to. Hell, I've been a hunter since November '03 and I could even stand to pick up some tips from him.As for levels, I'll hunt whatever is on the terminals. I don't care if it's a 40k Jedi, if they're on the terminals I'm gonna hunt and do my best to kill them. Am I a big ol bully to teh baby padanubs? Sure I am. But thats the joy of being a roleplaying BH, I can be all the @$$hole I can be. Who do you suppose should be allowed to hunt the baby paddys? lvl 40 BH's? Or should we let them grind themselves silly till they're strong enough to beat us 90% of the time? No thanks.Don't make assumptions and accusations when you son't know the facts and events behind them. Many of us deal with the Jedi exploits daily, Tubeck just makes them known and is vocal in hopes that we might get some changes to the way that SOE's golden children play with their "I win" button.
He might have been good pre CU (I even said so), but from all the information provided in his numerous posts - he isn't post CU. He doesn't understand some moves on both sides (according to his own posts, he might have learned by now) and is reduced to using CL differences to make up for his lack of skill in the current system. On my server some of the "known" BH's have totally disappeared since the CU took away their uber weapons, the real source of their "skill".
He also explicitly states he attacks low level Jedi to cause XP loss and other detrimental effects to another player. That's a feeble and childish reason to play a BH. I play for the fun of the hunt and the fight, I couldn't care less if the Jedi lost XP at the end of it. That's why I said his attitude is bad for the game.
The EULA and Holocron state that roleplaying is no excuse for being an "@sshole" Hunt low level Jedi if you want, I don't mind, but don't then come here whining because you lack the skill to kill Jedi further along their skill progression. Many BH can kill 170k+ Jedi, the problem is not the game or the system - it's you.
I deal with Jedi bugs/exploits everyday too, I'm a BH after all. I also deal with BH bugs and exploits every day because I am also a Jedi. Both classes have their players that don't deserve to play this game, and both classes have good and honourable players. Posters such as Tucheck do the game a disservice with their one sided ranting.
Since Tucheck thinks there are no BH bugs (despite me posting a list before), here is one for you - killing the same Jedi in the space of 10 mins without the Jedi gaining visibility inbetween the DB's and without the BH getting a mission the second time. The TEF can persist for that BH and other BH who had the mission before the first DB. I have seen this from both sides, getting killed by a BH exploiting this bug and by having a TEF persist on my BH. Naturally I informed the Jedi and didn't attack again.
Riiight...that's why I have pictures of dead AND hiding level 80 Jedi? That's why I have (only once, and NOT worth the time, and never will again) found AND killed a Feral Wookie grinding Jedi on Kashyyyk. It's because I'm no good post-CU. Thanks for clearing that up.
As for your "exploit"....that is grieving and NOT an exploit. I'd be willing to bet that two things happen when a Jedi gets killed by the same BH that just killed them:
1) The Jedi does NOT lose anymore XP
2) The BH doesn't get paid twice
*EDIT*If your talking about a BH taking a mission within minutes of a Jedi dying to a different BH....that's working as intended. It seems to me that if a Jedi can gain vis from the same members of a "grinding group", then that Jedi can gain vis while fighting a BH once they show up to kill them. See...that's the difference. I'm simply searching the BH terms, minding my own business when Jedi X got DBed 10 minutes before...and adding to his/her vis by fighting the BH in front of the griding group. So I see the mission ans I take it, not knowing what happened on a different planet 10 minutes ago. So I show up, and do my thing....there is a BIG difference in intentions.
There is no advantage to the BH for killing a Jedi after the mission is complete. Not to mention this rates right up there with the "sometimes" working Jedi TEF, preventing them from running into a house after attacking a Jedi. I think it happens about as much...which is almost never.
BUT...I thought I would humor you and strolled on over to the Jedi forums to look at "BUGS-Jedi in the CU" last updated by SonG just 14 days ago....wanna know what I found:
22 current bugs listed
13 current issues (one with 4 sub parts)
20 fixed bugs
Do you know how many of thoes "issues and bugs" were about your supposed "BH exploit"? NOT ONE! So I guess it's really a BIG deal....or maybe it doesn't even exist. Perhpas Jedi don't mind being killed 2 or 3 more times after a BH kills them the first time for a mission, and it's JUST you? I even checked the first 3 pages, to make sure this AWESOME exploit didn't get burried by request for saber animations and FR comparisons.
53 different "problems", either current or fixed, and not one says ANYHTING about a BH exploit....yet...wait...whats this. At the top of the BH issues, and has been for a LONG time now...oh, it's a Jedi "exploit issue"....yes:
"Jedi, after Combat is initiated by BOTH parties can still run into a private structure. The BH TEF should prevent this. Devs acknowledged at FanFest that there should be a 5 min. TEF and did mention that it would be corrected (No timeline though).", Tanks
I have shown you both your chair AND the door...either sit down and shut up or get off of my thread with your BS.
Message Edited by Tucheck on 06-21-2005 01:12 PM