Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: Using Force Powers While Cloaked...
mero909
Fri Jul 22, 2005 7:29 am
#92
Tough break. How about they take away all your weapons except for maybe a CDEF Pistol? Idiot
FernGully
Fri Jul 22, 2005 7:32 am
#93
Bermag wrote:
Tripbacca wrote: Pfeh true there are ways around it... true its not an I win button. But cloaking is a cowardly way to play I would just drop a mission on a cloaking jedi and not bother... go searching for a jedi with the confidence to stand toe to toe.
If cloaking is cowardly way to play then healing is as well.
However, being able to attack while cloaked is a bug that need to be fixed.
Question is however if healing/force channel/meditate should break cloak or not. If it is possible to meditate/channel and keep up cloak at same time even with several people around you is possible without loosing force I can understand the concerns about it.
I'm full temp with about as big a force pool as you can have without a double mastery. I don't have the raw numbers on hand, but I can tell you this about cloak and the drain it puts on your force pool....
With no one around me, I regen force faster than cloak drains it.
With one person around, its about a wash.
With 2 around, I'm steadily losing force.
With more than 2, I'm losing force fast.
You CAN'T meditate while cloaked (although you can meditate, then cloak). You can channel while cloaked. But no way you're going to be able to keep up with the force drain of several people around you for very long just using channel. You'll end up with an empty force pool and an empty health pool.
felipz
Fri Jul 22, 2005 7:32 am
#94
Bh opens fire
Run and /cloak
Bh calls bike
Turn back saberthrow bike run back and /cloak
Bh screams omg u n00b !!!11
/Yell lmao
Bazik
Fri Jul 22, 2005 7:34 am
#95
I am MLS/MP H 4/4/0/0.
If you cant kill me with first attack and I can employ cloak alive then land a KD, well, you made a mistake somewhere.The margian for error is so painfully small for a powers jedi as 3 shots from a decent weapon will wreck us serious.
With mytotal defenses amounting to +40 melee defense, no armor or ranged defense, I will happily turn the table on you BH andenjoy my own first strike given half the chance.There will be zero guilt in doing so.
Tru powers users are few and far between and WILL NOT use conventional tactics because they don't work without defenses.
Cloak, whatever anyone thinks is a defensive tool even in an offensive posture (be it a bug or not) for a template that has nothing else remotely associated with defense, defenses I may add that every BH and alot of Jedi i knowtake for granted.
And whats this rubbish about actually having the gaul to whine about him sanctioning your bike?
What the first thing you should do when you come up on your mark? Is it to blow his bike? 
BradPete
Fri Jul 22, 2005 7:39 am
#96
I only think that cloak needs to be changed somehow to stop people from running around 24/7 cloaked because they can just use meditate while theyre cloaked. I think that is some bull. Make it so when you're cloaked you can't use ANYTHING else, I mean come on you're invisible you can't see what you're doing. I think cloak is a really cool power and would hate to see it taken out of the game completely. I would just like to see it used for more short-term tactical purposes, rather than non-stop un-attackable PvP where you don't have a big chance of dying.
FernGully
Fri Jul 22, 2005 7:42 am
#97
BradPete wrote:I only think that cloak needs to be changed somehow to stop people from running around 24/7 cloaked because they can just use meditate while theyre cloaked. I think that is some bull. Make it so when you're cloaked you can't use ANYTHING else, I mean come on you're invisible you can't see what you're doing. I think cloak is a really cool power and would hate to see it taken out of the game completely. I would just like to see it used for more short-term tactical purposes, rather than non-stop un-attackable PvP where you don't have a big chance of dying.
You CANNOT meditate while cloaked. You can meditate, THEN cloak, but then you wouldn't be running around.
What's "some bull" about being able to cloak a lot versus a little? Whta difference does it make?
Eskie
Fri Jul 22, 2005 7:49 am
#98
BradPete wrote:I only think that cloak needs to be changed somehow to stop people from running around 24/7 cloaked because they can just use meditate while theyre cloaked. I think that is some bull. Make it so when you're cloaked you can't use ANYTHING else, I mean come on you're invisible you can't see what you're doing. I think cloak is a really cool power and would hate to see it taken out of the game completely. I would just like to see it used for more short-term tactical purposes, rather than non-stop un-attackable PvP where you don't have a big chance of dying.
You are not invisible, people just think you are not there. You can see just fine. Just as electronic systems without brains (aka turrets) can see you just fine.
If Jedi are cloaked they are hidden and cannot attack, if they attack they become visible, if they are allowed to recloak again their opponents didnt know what they were doing.
Eskie
Fri Jul 22, 2005 7:53 am
#99
silentjunior wrote:
ShaikeRamjet wrote:A cloaker should not be able to use any other force powers while cloaked, especially force regen. They can stay perpetually cloaked. The other night, I was in a PvP battle where a cloaked Jedi was using an exploit to attack me while cloaked. If he were not allowed to use any powers while cloaked, this exploit wouldn't happen.As cloak is, it is way too overpowering. I can track my bounty and as soon as I attack from range, he cloaks and is gone. The jedi then can force regen, pop a bunch of food and hit his Booster Blue... and I no longer have first strike capabilities. It was stated by the devs that what makes a BH able to be 1vs1 with a full temp Jedi is our first strike capabilities. If that is taken away from us... then what do we have?
Bottom line is... a Jedi should not be able to use force powers while cloaked.
Flame away.
go complain on the BH forums...jedi dont need to get nerfed anymore
He already did - before posting here, I believe.
DivNotDed
Fri Jul 22, 2005 7:54 am
#100
ShaikeRamjet wrote:
Now read the last few posts... I am capable of staying in the 20m range. It's the use fo Force Stasis, running out of range, cloaking then using force regen. I can not move during this time. They reengage in combat and then when thier force gets low again, they use this tactic again, giving them virtually unlimited Force.
So now you want to complain about an enhancer power "stasis", we all thought your'e problem was with cloak. In other words in your post's you can hang with some of the Jedi but this template is too tough and you want it nerfed. Not every BH(template) will take every Jedi(template). BTW you did not answer the question how many 1st Strikes is enough for you, or does shot number two also belong to only you?
Barb-Wire
Fri Jul 22, 2005 7:54 am
#101
all that needs be done with cloak is move it to master where it should have been in the first place. swap breach and cloak and its done.
with cloak in master to achieve first strike you have to either give up a offense or a defense. cant do both.
as for your problem hunting jedi that is a problem with technique. running right up to a jedi in the middle of nowhere and sticking your gun in his face is usually not a good tactic.
FernGully
Fri Jul 22, 2005 7:57 am
#102
Barb-Wire wrote:all that needs be done with cloak is move it to master where it should have been in the first place. swap breach and cloak and its done.with cloak in master to achieve first strike you have to either give up a offense or a defense. cant do both.as for your problem hunting jedi that is a problem with technique. running right up to a jedi in the middle of nowhere and sticking your gun in his face is usually not a good tactic.
No, screw that. Upgrade breach to make it worthy of its master box placement, and leave cloak where it is.
DivNotDed
Fri Jul 22, 2005 7:59 am
#103
With all the "NERF CLOAK, NERF CLOAK!" chanting going on lately, I'm thinking of putting it in my sig
I did but My sig is bugged and it is perma cloaked
I did but My sig is bugged and it is perma cloaked
BradPete
Fri Jul 22, 2005 8:00 am
#104
FernGully wrote:
BradPete wrote:
I only think that cloak needs to be changed somehow to stop people from running around 24/7 cloaked because they can just use meditate while theyre cloaked. I think that is some bull. Make it so when you're cloaked you can't use ANYTHING else, I mean come on you're invisible you can't see what you're doing. I think cloak is a really cool power and would hate to see it taken out of the game completely. I would just like to see it used for more short-term tactical purposes, rather than non-stop un-attackable PvP where you don't have a big chance of dying.
You CANNOT meditate while cloaked. You can meditate, THEN cloak, but then you wouldn't be running around.
What's "some bull" about being able to cloak a lot versus a little? Whta difference does it make?
Because you can run around invisible ALL THE TIME. That's like having avoid incap, with no snare on it, that last indefiniately. I know, I know you can't attack while cloaked. I just think cloak is a little out of balance and there is no doubt in my mind that the devs will counter it. Do you really think being able to run around anywhere with no chance of death of all the time is NOT out of balance? Maybe make it so any non-grouped member that runs within 5m of you while cloaked will make you lose cloak.