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Casshern_Greyfox

Thu Jun 30, 2005 6:46 am

The problem with balancing last ditch is that its balanced aginst someone in armor (hits for 1.5-2k on fully armored person) but can 1 hit incap someone without armor (i have hit for over 4k with it.)

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WookieOgre

Thu Jun 30, 2005 6:48 am

#93

SolarusArc wrote:

There is a huge price to pay when you miss with it. You have no stats, you are easy prey.

Sorry, a trip to the cloner on the chance you get paid 224k 50% of the time........where is the huge price? Maybe if death meant something for regular players but again, it means nothing with the exception of a Jedi dying to a BH (even that depends on if the Jedi is grinding a template).

You are never going to convince anyone but yourselves that the only price a BH should pay is death when you have those kind of odds.

Eskie

Thu Jun 30, 2005 6:51 am

#94

Casshern_Greyfox wrote:
The problem with balancing last ditch is that its balanced aginst someone in armor (hits for 1.5-2k on fully armored person) but can 1 hit incap someone without armor (i have hit for over 4k with it.)

The problem actually is that it can be used on players that are not able to attack the one using Last Ditch. A BH can get his artificially low health without any fear of the Jedi DBing him before he is able to get off the Last Ditch. In regular PvP, notbody would get close to 0 health on purpose just to be able to effectively use LD, the risk of being finished off by the opposing faction and getting DBed is way too high.

Eskona Runningstar

~~12pt Master Doctor - Master Riflewoman~~

Light Jedi Padawan

-ERI- medical supplies CLOSED

Left to explore new galaxies far, far away
after this galaxy had been enhanced far too much for her taste

RebsBeware

Thu Jun 30, 2005 6:54 am

#95

Where there is xp loss, there will be whiners. Shame, tbh I dont really care about the xp loss. As a MCM bh I'll rez a jedi I kill if its been a good fight, or I feel they deserve it. But for the majority that just start calling names and generally acting like kids its a suitable punishment to go with the account warning the /report gets them for their poor language.

As the man said before, if you had armour on, it wouldnt one hit incap. You then couldnt use jedi skills, but that'syour choice. Other option, is see a bh acting suspiciously, low health etc, pop a synthsteak. then watch him hit you for 1.5-2k, and go db him. Fed up of jedi that think its a free ride to knight, just think smarter than the guys that hunt you. Though with your blinkered grind grind grind minds I'm not surprised these things dont occur to you.

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EVERY JEDI IS NOW AN ENEMY OF THE REPUBLIC

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RebsBeware

Thu Jun 30, 2005 7:04 am

#96

Dlek_Krego wrote:

Hunting is when you, as a PC, meaning a PLAYER CHARACTER (following me so far here? Good...I know you're slow, but try to keep up) goes after a NPC, or NON-PLAYER CHARACTER...

soooo (still with me here?)... Bounty Hunter = PC, and Jedi = PC.... so that is PVP when they fight...

Message Edited by Dlek_Krego on 06-30-2005 06:45 AM

Hunting for me is killing jedi. Hunting. Bounty Hunting.

Second point, Im not really interested in fighting the jedi, just killing them. If it follows a good fight, fair enough, if its wandering over and dbing a guy incapped by mobs, likewise. Please get it out of your heads that all this has to be fair, its not a game of cricket.

Hunting is not PvP, its killing other players for profit. PvP is what I do for the other 2-3 hours a night.

[ - Mal Dagoth - MBH // CyRen' - MBH - ]

Mal(Nov03-Nov05)/Cyren'(Nov04-Nov05)/MistyFi(May04-Nov05)/Onni(May04-Nov05)/Aron (Sept04-Nov05) R.I.P.

[ - I used to be a Bounty Hunter, now I'm an 'iconic profession, like Boba Fett!' - ]

EVERY JEDI IS NOW AN ENEMY OF THE REPUBLIC

-II-

- I support Hammeh's Mum

Raganius

Thu Jun 30, 2005 7:06 am

#97

So, when more people start opening with startleshot-knockdown-hs-hs-hs-hs are you going to complain then? With speed buffs, that combination of attacks will take a jedi out before the startleshot effect wears off. It doesnt give a jedi a chance either. When you are knocked down with the startle effect on you, you cannot stand up, you cannot heal, and from what I have seen you cannot use any force powers. It is more effective than paralyze is, because it doesnt break on damage. Ooops, I shouldn't have said that, they will start saying that it needs to be nerfed and that it's an exploit as well.

Message Edited by Raganius on 06-30-2005 09:07 AM

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De oppresso liber
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Eskie

Thu Jun 30, 2005 7:08 am

#98

Raganius wrote:
So, when more people start opening with startleshot-knockdown-hs-hs-hs-hs are you going to complain then? With speed buffs, that combination of attacks will take a jedi out before the startleshot effect wears off. It doesnt give a jedi a chance either. When you are knocked down with the startle effect on you, you cannot stand up, you cannot heal, and from what I have seen you cannot use any force powers. It is more effective than paralyze is, because it doesnt break on damage. Ooops, I shouldn't have said that, they will start saying that it needs to be nerfed and that it's an exploit as well.
Message Edited by Raganius on 06-30-2005 09:07 AM

Actually, startle shot is a daze and supposed to break on damage, yes. And last time I used it, it broke on damage. I dont know if it breaks when being KD and taking damage, but it should.

Eskona Runningstar

~~12pt Master Doctor - Master Riflewoman~~

Light Jedi Padawan

-ERI- medical supplies CLOSED

Left to explore new galaxies far, far away
after this galaxy had been enhanced far too much for her taste

Eskie

Thu Jun 30, 2005 7:12 am

#99

RebsBeware wrote:

Dlek_Krego wrote:

(...)
Please get it out of your heads that all this has to be fair, its not a game of cricket.
(...)

Haha - best counterpoint I have heard so far.
If I see you complaining about having any unfair disadvantage anywhere in the future, I will remind you of this post. You just voided your right to ever complain about anything.

Eskona Runningstar
~~12pt Master Doctor - Master Riflewoman~~
Light Jedi Padawan
-ERI- medical supplies CLOSED

Left to explore new galaxies far, far away
after this galaxy had been enhanced far too much for her taste

Dlek_Krego

Thu Jun 30, 2005 7:12 am

#100

RebsBeware wrote:

Please get it out of your heads that all this has to be fair,

Excuse me????????? We are not to expect it to be fair, now?????

Then what the hell was this CU all about? Was it not meant to BALANCE combat and make it "FAIR?" Have Jedi NOT been nerfed down to make things "FAIR???"

And regardless of how YOU look at it, BH vs Jedi IS PvP.... just because you chose to exploit a move to make it unbalanced does mean it's a "legitimate" tactic.

Message Edited by Dlek_Krego on 06-30-2005 07:14 AM

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RebsBeware

Thu Jun 30, 2005 7:16 am

#101

Eskie wrote:

Haha - best counterpoint I have heard so far.
If I see you complaining about having any unfair disadvantage anywhere in the future, I will remind you of this post. You just voided your right to ever complain about anything.

Fine by me. I never cried about anything, not when bh were terrible, and required master marks/scout, had less defences than a master dancer. I just got on and killed player jedi. Now its easier, shame on us BH.

[ - Mal Dagoth - MBH // CyRen' - MBH - ]

Mal(Nov03-Nov05)/Cyren'(Nov04-Nov05)/MistyFi(May04-Nov05)/Onni(May04-Nov05)/Aron (Sept04-Nov05) R.I.P.

[ - I used to be a Bounty Hunter, now I'm an 'iconic profession, like Boba Fett!' - ]

EVERY JEDI IS NOW AN ENEMY OF THE REPUBLIC

-II-

- I support Hammeh's Mum

Eskie

Thu Jun 30, 2005 7:17 am

#102

Dlek_Krego wrote:
RebsBeware wrote:

Please get it out of your heads that all this has to be fair,

Excuse me????????? We are not to expect it to be fair, now?????

Then what the hell was this CU all about? Was it not meant to BALANCE combat and make it "FAIR?" Have Jedi NOT been nerfed down to make things "FAIR???"

And regardless of how YOU look at it, BH vs Jedi IS PvP.... just because you chose to exploit a move to make it unbalanced does mean it's a "legitimate" tactic.
Message Edited by Dlek_Krego on 06-30-2005 07:14 AM

QFE

Eskona Runningstar

~~12pt Master Doctor - Master Riflewoman~~

Light Jedi Padawan

-ERI- medical supplies CLOSED

Left to explore new galaxies far, far away
after this galaxy had been enhanced far too much for her taste

RebsBeware

Thu Jun 30, 2005 7:23 am

#103

Dlek_Krego wrote:

RebsBeware wrote:

Please get it out of your heads that all this has to be fair,

Excuse me????????? We are not to expect it to be fair, now?????

Then what the hell was this CU all about? Was it not meant to BALANCE combat and make it "FAIR?" Have Jedi NOT been nerfed down to make things "FAIR???"

Message Edited by Dlek_Krego on 06-30-2005 07:14 AM

If you had an AK47, and I hit you on the back of the head with a shovel when you werent looking, it wouldnt be fair. You would have had the better weapon, I just used my head. Not fair?

Moral of this whole thread is - think smarter, learn from your experiences. That same tactic now shouldnt work - if you see a guy running up to you on low health, eat synthsteak, avoid a one hit incap, db him. Darwin was a clever bloke, learn from him.

I'll leave off now, tho this has been amusing, Im off home now, where I'll log in and go harass jedi on the Ryatt trail.

Ponder on whether the Ryatt trail exploit is just a little bit more serious than a guy using Last Ditch in a clever way. Dont see many jedi whining about not being able to hit bh down in the no LOS zone do you?

/salute to the bh

/mock to the jedi

/bye for now to all

[ - Mal Dagoth - MBH // CyRen' - MBH - ]

Mal(Nov03-Nov05)/Cyren'(Nov04-Nov05)/MistyFi(May04-Nov05)/Onni(May04-Nov05)/Aron (Sept04-Nov05) R.I.P.

[ - I used to be a Bounty Hunter, now I'm an 'iconic profession, like Boba Fett!' - ]

EVERY JEDI IS NOW AN ENEMY OF THE REPUBLIC

-II-

- I support Hammeh's Mum

Kharast

Thu Jun 30, 2005 8:05 am

#104

i cant help but wonder one thing from this thread. if LD should not be used as the first shot in a fight, how many shots do you expect to be needed before LD is 'legal'? three, five, 10?

i'm going to paraphrase the devs here, but they said 'every action has a chance for consequence or reward. the chance to get rewarded does not comewithout risks'. i dont see a problem w/ this. the BH/smug took a risk (missing LD and being screwed) to try for his reward (the bounty), just as he did in choosing that template. to get LD (his reward) he had to put up w/ an inefficient use of skill points and other supposed broken qualities of the profession (his risk). jedi in general have to suffer w/ balance nerfs and xp loss (risk) to be an alpha class that can still do things that other professions cannot do (reward).

congrats to the BH for using his temp to the best of his ability and congrats to Timit for unlocking and grinding his jedi. now that the rewards have been earned, the risks/consequence must be suffered.

P.S. i'm not exemp and dont claim to be: i wanted to play a Squad Leader (reward) but got crap for combat specials (risk). i knew this going in and LOVE it.

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