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Thread: The New Feign Death ( Cloak)

AndrewThrawn
Sat Jul 16, 2005 3:56 am
#79




Lambash wrote:

With rifle in the template and using cover you can sneak up on a grinding jedi, wait until hes low on heath and deliver one hell of a first strike on him then rush him so he cannot cloak no matter what or sit pretty and shoot since he will still have that ncp hitting him he was fighting. Mostly its your template that decide if the jedi will be able to cloak or not.


Its you as a bh who has to make the choise on how to deal with cloaking jedis. So far they are far from unkillable.





ROFL rarely read such a BS. Ever tried to go prone and "sneak" upon someone in the wild? Not that he would see you on the radar anywayand you would have to crawl a few hundred meters for sneaking upon him.

scoodoobydoo
Sat Jul 16, 2005 4:52 am
#80

nerf shoes i saw a guy with shoes and he wastes 89 skillpoints and 15,220,000 exp to get them so he could run fast


i am a m armor


and i have a self snare now my ability went up from 800 to 1k cost the one that makes me invincible for 30 seconds


nerf shoes they wasted theyre skillpoints also


if u stack mshoes with m invisible 28 sp 3 mil exp ONLY then OMg Rofls


he can run then go invis at 10 Meters cause im laggy (cloak works at 20 meters no less You lagg)


oh em gee /nerfbatFlurry_3


noone with that much skillpoints wasted to run fast should run fast!


NERF SHOES rofls...rofls..



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MetalReaper
Sat Jul 16, 2005 5:59 am
#81
Hi there Bounty Hunters, there is something important that I need to tell you:


This is not YOUR war!!!


Remember that it is Light Side against Dark Side once the FRS is back, you guys are supposed to keep the noobies weak, and make their grind slower. Once a jedi is a fullgrow knight, his job won't be to fight off or worry about BH, but to Participate in the Light against Dark war!!!


Master Powers are skills used in big battles, they have many area attacks and are very usefull to annoy others in PvP battles, with things like an area knockdown, area lightning, and area intimidate, and throwing a few chokes in the fight with a breach here and there. They are not meant for 1 vs 1 fights. In 1 vs 1 fights the chance is VERY BIG that they will lose if they dont use very good tactics. To escape in such fights, the devs have given the Master Powers a good skill, and guess what it is called: FORCE CLOAK. If you cant win a fight, you don't have to lose it: cloak out of there.


And ofcourse there are those MLS who got powers just for cloak, but just remember this: if you get cloak, you gotta have x4xx powers. Cloak is only useable to escape in fights, not to ad some damage to your attacks or anything, so if they pick cloak (gotta admit that it truly IS very usefull ofcourse) with x4xx powers it will cost 28 points, which is a LOT for jedi, since those points could have been used in getting more defenses, or to do more damage, or force run.


And to make a few things clean about the last part I said, check this out:


An MLS/Mdef jedi. To survive in fights, you simply NEED some healing. so a good choise for the jedi would be:

MLS/Mdef/4x4x healing (1500 heals, and the ability to sap people)

If this jedi would like to have powers, his healing would go to this:

MLS/Mdef/x4xx Powers/1xxx healings (500 heals and the ability to cloak)

Just think what you would rather fight: a jedi who heals all damage you do, but never runs.

Or a jedi who cant heal himself well enough, so has to try and run, while he has his ass rooted?




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Corvett
Sat Jul 16, 2005 6:28 am
#82




A_Lamer wrote:




Corvett wrote:

Can someone tell me where it said that when you become a Bh hunting Jedi was supposed to be easy? It is supposed to be very very hard but have nerfed Jedi down to make it waaaaaayyyyy easier for you now. So plz stop crying and learn how to play as soo many Bh's have.





Refer to my above posts as to why it is YOU who need to stop crying. Thanks.



ROFLMAO ok where in my post was I the one crying? All I see are Bh's threads like this one full of cry babies. Look in the mirror before pointing fingers. Thanks.



"Fear leads to Anger, Anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering, suffering leads to whineing, whineing leads to crying on the forums, crying on the forums leads to the big nerf."
Corvett
Sat Jul 16, 2005 6:33 am
#83





aekeem wrote:




Corvett wrote:

Can someone tell me where it said that when you become a Bh hunting Jedi was supposed to be easy? It is supposed to be very very hard but have nerfed Jedi down to make it waaaaaayyyyy easier for you now. So plz stop crying and learn how to play as soo many Bh's have.





can someone tell me where it said levelling a jedi was supposed to be easy? last i checked it was supposed to be hard, not something that could be done in a few days while running an afk macro. so plz stop crying and learn to play as soo many jedi have.




Leveling Jedi isn't but neither is being a BH. EVERYDAY BH's are crying on these boards. They have become some of the biggest cry babies of any proffession includeing the Jedi. Don't believe me? Look at thethreads on any given day. Always asking for nerfs of some kind on Jedi or complaing about exploiters or something. Well you got it but it comes with a price. Now you can't greif noobs anymore /shrug get overt it. No one said being a Bh is supposed to be easy but yet you all think it is supposed to be. Perhaps the Devs are intentionally makeing jedi leveling easier and is SUPPOSED to be now..ever think of that?

Message Edited by Corvett on 07-16-2005 08:34 AM



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FernGully
Sat Jul 16, 2005 6:50 am
#84
Like I said before, pages and pages of arguing, and this whole thing really just boils down to "Make the Jedi have to stay and fight me when I come for them. Don't let them/run/hide". And really, when you think about it, thats a silly request.



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Lambash
Sat Jul 16, 2005 7:16 am
#85




AndrewThrawn wrote:





Lambash wrote:

With rifle in the template and using cover you can sneak up on a grinding jedi, wait until hes low on heath and deliver one hell of a first strike on him then rush him so he cannot cloak no matter what or sit pretty and shoot since he will still have that ncp hitting him he was fighting. Mostly its your template that decide if the jedi will be able to cloak or not.


Its you as a bh who has to make the choise on how to deal with cloaking jedis. So far they are far from unkillable.





ROFL rarely read such a BS. Ever tried to go prone and "sneak" upon someone in the wild? Not that he would see you on the radar anywayand you would have to crawl a few hundred meters for sneaking upon him.





Then how come I and several i know can do it?


I think its just you that dont have the patience to do it. If you dont have what it takes just run up to your mark then and spam your attacks and die. Use the game mechanics and yes sneak works, if you cant do it then stay to whatever you do best then. But patience is your friend when killing a high level mark.


TY for your remarks and thats my 5 cents on the matter.





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TeepoJedi
Sat Jul 16, 2005 7:47 am
#86
How did I know that after killing you I'd find a post here about nerfing cloak? Being an old MBH back in jedi god mode days you certainly have it easy now and you admitted taking out 3/4 fully templated Jedi that day. So you fought a class that is stated by the devs to be "1.5x stronger" and won 75% of your fights and your here posting a rant/whine/nerf after making over 600k credits and losing 1 fight? I always hated 99% of Jedi when I was a MBH, now I hate 99% of Jedi and BH's because all either side does is whine about how things aren't fair and get upset when they don't win 100% of their fights, so they come here and post "nerf this" threads. Try thinking about it from all angles before crying nerf. You have great snares, dots, paralyze, a nice carbine and heals equal to if not better now then Jedi. You want to be able to snare me then run 33+ meters away and just kite me to death, which i'm sure you did to the other 3 jedi you killed, however, you don't seem to find any issue with that? I gave up menhancer and some healer (fr3, regain consiousness, stasis, force sap, force shock, resist states) just for cloak. I duel everyday and run across certain templates that I beat and others that I can't or that are very difficult to overcome but that only means I have to find ways to win. I suggest you do the same and stop acting like a spoiled child because you can't win them all.
EvilAztec
Sat Jul 16, 2005 7:55 am
#87



A_Lamer wrote:

Exploit or not, jedi can perma cloak and do anything and everything whil remaining cloaked. I still don't see what you're arguing about. Meanwhile even if that gets fixed, jedi are no longer targettable while cloaked yet cover will remain targettable. I don't see that as fair whether you're supposed to be jesus' offspring or not.


Okay Rainbow Brite, I'll be clamoring for a fix to cover too. Probably because my MBH is also a MRM, kinda makes sense eh? Now how about you go cry about perma-cover. Yep that, in rare instances like perma-cloak, happens too. So RB get off the high horse, don't cry nerf, fix your own class.



EULA: "Experience may change during gameplay." or something like that. Again though you're talking about how you're supposed to be all powerful, yet conveniently avoid the fact that 50%+ of the people on all servers have a jedi, whether it be a first box padawan or a full template padawan. An alpha class cannot be allowed to remain an alpha class if it is the majority of all characters.



Actually if 50%+ of the player base has a character class, can it still be considered Alpha at all? You're defeating yourself here, because if Jedi breaks the 80% mark, you can't really call it Alpha at all. Heck if 50.1%+ has a Jedi, then it is not alpha anymore, you can make it as powerful as you want. Why? Because the "majority" of the playerbase have one. Personally I don't need all powerful, but apparently running away makes me too powerful.

"Tell me the story again grandpa." comes to mind. And I purchased the game may 27th. Doesn't mean I'm not aware of what jedi used to have risk wise, nor what they had reward wise. Then jedi grew in number all the while complaining they had it too rough because they could only solo 19 people. :< So what happened? That saber tef, that box loss, and that power all went away. Again, if you want power, you need risk. Full temps lose 500k exp, which can be ground back in a few hours. Which doesn't matter since they're full temp, thus aren't losing anything. Whoops. And btw, you had reward in the FRS. Its not exactly my (or BH in general) fault you got that removed by fight clubbing, is it? Oh but wait, you're getting that back. Time to petition for exp loss removal too!



Well perma went away because of the constant then, and still constant now, client crashes. Saber TEF was abused, as were all other TEFs, so all TEFs are gone, if you hadn't noticed. Oh and the XP matters if you're trying to change temp (without one of these "respec" bongos) so it does. Don't lump me in w/ the FC, as I never bothered w/ FRS and am waiting to see if I will bother with this one.

BH aren't supposed to lose anything. We're a regular "mundane" class like everyone else. Whether we now don't need master scout and marksman doesn't matter, because our class was adjusted accordingly. Our only difference is instead of a 1600 damage attack or a root or healing abilities, we hunt jedi. That is our unique trait.


Actually you get some nice high damage attacks, and BH has been pumped up considerably, approaching near alpha class levels. Watch out! XP loss may be coming to you, or maybe the dreaded box loss...

Barring the fact that I could have any possible line other than the bio suppresion line, yes I do have paralyze. As for your counter to it? No idea, I don't use it. It lasts not even 3 seconds in PVE, and less than that in PVP.


Actually many things have counters that don't work. Your counter to cloak does. You, a pet, droid, et al, stay within 20m and we... can't... cloak...


Have fun Rainbow Brite.




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SFXGenesis
Sat Jul 16, 2005 8:02 am
#88

Cloak is fine as is. It's not an 'I Win' button. It's a 'nobody wins' button.


If we could attack you while cloaked, that'd be one thing. However, since we can't, it's merely degraded to an escape mechanism. Leave it alone.


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Koozoo
Sat Jul 16, 2005 8:04 am
#89




Asir wrote:

does anyone else see something wrong with jedi's being able to walk away during any fight ??? Come on force cloak doesn't have to go away or move to the masters box but it needs some tweaking bad. Or you can just give me smuggler fd in pvp again.

Message Edited by Asir on 07-15-200512:55 PM





This is pathetic... cloak is by no way an i-win-button or unbalanced ( no i dont use cloak in my template ). you are a veteran player, you should know the game mechanics better by now.



ebayed or just a helpless, whinynoob?





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chewie49
Sat Jul 16, 2005 12:03 pm
#90
Be patient. Keep tracking him. He should uncloak eventually. Persistence is the key. If you feel like you're wasting your time, take another mission. - pug

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aekeem
Sat Jul 16, 2005 12:11 pm
#91




Corvett wrote:

Can someone tell me where it said that when you become a Bh hunting Jedi was supposed to be easy? It is supposed to be very very hard but have nerfed Jedi down to make it waaaaaayyyyy easier for you now. So plz stop crying and learn how to play as soo many Bh's have.





can someone tell me where it said levelling a jedi was supposed to be easy? last i checked it was supposed to be hard, not something that could be done in a few days while running an afk macro. so plz stop crying and learn to play as soo many jedi have.
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