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Thread: The New Feign Death ( Cloak)
BDragon wrote:
slave138 wrote:
BDragon wrote:
If cloak should be removed from PvP then so should all mezz/dazz moves also. Cloak is not 'i win', its 'i dont lose' or 'i dont chose to fight you any more'. If that is so gamebreaking then remove paralyze, concussion shot, startle, disarming and stasis while we're at it. All of those moves allow one player to determine the pace and the parameters that the fight will operate at and that to me seems to be you're beef.
Why can you be allowed to kite me so i only have 1 move to hit you with, but a power Jedi cant cloak and leave when you get too far away?
There are recoveries available for every state effect (some require others to remove them, but all can be removed). Does cloak have an "Expose Cloaked Player" action? Maybe a "Clear Mindtricks"? Nope. There's your difference. They are not the same.
Wrong...
By your own logic me being attacked by you is the recovery/counter to a mezz right? Then by that logic you have a recovery to cloak, its called 'lack of force'. A Jedi with no force cant cloak, so you have you counter. Sound stupid? Well its no more stupid than you trying to tell me i have a recovery for paralyze or concussion.
Message Edited by BDragon on 07-15-2005 05:46 PM
Last time I looked, CM (or was it Doc) had a skill to remove state effects. Having never played a CM or a Doc, I was working from the assumption that this was the counter...
slave138 wrote:
BDragon wrote:
slave138 wrote:
BDragon wrote:
If cloak should be removed from PvP then so should all mezz/dazz moves also. Cloak is not 'i win', its 'i dont lose' or 'i dont chose to fight you any more'. If that is so gamebreaking then remove paralyze, concussion shot, startle, disarming and stasis while we're at it. All of those moves allow one player to determine the pace and the parameters that the fight will operate at and that to me seems to be you're beef.
Why can you be allowed to kite me so i only have 1 move to hit you with, but a power Jedi cant cloak and leave when you get too far away?
There are recoveries available for every state effect (some require others to remove them, but all can be removed). Does cloak have an "Expose Cloaked Player" action? Maybe a "Clear Mindtricks"? Nope. There's your difference. They are not the same.
Wrong...
By your own logic me being attacked by you is the recovery/counter to a mezz right? Then by that logic you have a recovery to cloak, its called 'lack of force'. A Jedi with no force cant cloak, so you have you counter. Sound stupid? Well its no more stupid than you trying to tell me i have a recovery for paralyze or concussion.Message Edited by BDragon on 07-15-2005 05:46 PM
Last time I looked, CM (or was it Doc) had a skill to remove state effects. Having never played a CM or a Doc, I was working from the assumption that this was the counter...
Wrong again, the ability to remove states does exsist, both in doc and Jedi. But root, snare and mezz dont count as states and cant be healed. So there is no counter to them...
Now do you get it?
Thenger wrote:
I had this happen to me yesterday, went after a 197k jedi, found him on Doth,so I went and tracked him to his xp spot. Waited till they pulled and used that time to unleash my damage, I was doing very well. I figured I need to get some practice with the patch on the 20th.
Well here i was doing very well, and he decided to force run away, so I said screw it and hit my burst run and cought up with him. Well to make a long story short, he ended up rooting me and ran to the starport. After root faded, I called my BARC and went after him. I was next to him the whole time till he got to the starport and he called his ship and took off.
So yeah something needs to be done, this is the escape key, hit and your free.
Seems to me you need more practice, not a nerf to jedi to make up for your lack of skills.
Warryyr wrote:
ktanner3 wrote:
Warryyr wrote:
JMShunter wrote:
if your a ranged bh and the jedi comes for you what most people would do is kite. Now that jedi can cloak kiting is pointless because then they will just cloak when you get 20+ away. Also in the gcw if a jedi doesnt want to die he can just cloak and run away. you cant track or follow him... hes gone.
Kiting is lame, and completely unfun.
Why bother running after you, when you just run ahead of me in gigantic circles while you snare and root and whatever.
If you wanna fight, then fight and stand your ground. If you wanna kite and waste my time, +CLOAK+
If you can't kite and your ranged, and you're tired of dealing with anti-kiting cloakers, then go melee.
That comment makes no sense. I'm not going to stand still in front of a player who is already by design much stronger than I am. I'm going to move around and use what ever means and skills neccessary to keep you and your lightsaber away from me. I've never had this happen to me but if the jedi did this I would simply send out another droid to find him and we would repeat this process until someone won.It's not like the mission is over just because the all-powerful jedi turned chicken and fears he might actually lose.
It makes perfect sense. I can only take so many hours of running like little kids playing "tag" until I've had my fill.
Go ahead and move around, use whatever skills you have. So will I. So, don't scream about destroying my tactics because you have a problem with ME running away, meanwhile YOU are the one constantly running from me, while trying to "attack."
Nothing like attacking while retreating.
Yes, the process would repeat - but you tell me - will you spend the next weeks and months chasing me, only to waste your time? Or, will you move on to a different mark? Obsess all you like, if I'm not going to win, I'll do whatever I can to keep you from winning...whether it be running or hiding, or whatever.
As for your "all powerful Jedi turned chicken" answer me this - who's the bigger "chicken", the one who finally leaves the situation because they're tired of CHASING someone, only to get shot in the head multiple times - or the BH who spends their entire "fight" running like a spastic gazelle, desperately trying to wear the chasing Jedi down...and hoping the Jedi will keep chasing them to they can get a kill?
As for me, I've got brains - why bother chasing you just so I can die. Root ya/stasis ya, /wave, Forcerun3 and +cloak+
Good day.
Want to not be thought of as a chicken, get some melee skills and fight toe to toe - otherwise it's you who's perpetually running from the fight, hoping I'll chase after you, so you can shoot me.
I don't buy it - waste of my time.
Rinia wrote:
Cry nerf somewhere else. You're barking up the wrong tree buddy. Cloak is NOT an I WIN button. Do you have a root? Guess what... USE IT. Stay within 15-20m of them then. BAM they cant cloak.
Cloak is here to stay. It is here to stay because there are ways around it.
/agree
Force Cloak is NOT an "I win" button...it is an escapability option. If the jedi decides to use it to escape then it's being used as intended.
MaliceMarcus wrote:
Rinia wrote:
Cry nerf somewhere else. You're barking up the wrong tree buddy. Cloak is NOT an I WIN button. Do you have a root? Guess what... USE IT. Stay within 15-20m of them then. BAM they cant cloak.
Cloak is here to stay. It is here to stay because there are ways around it.
/agree
Force Cloak is NOT an "I win" button...it is an escapability option. If the jedi decides to use it to escape then it's being used as intended.
throw a fire dot on em BEFORE he cloaks, then follow the smoke 
only good particle effect in the cu
Asir wrote:
Well the devolopers got rid of feign death in Pvp. I think Cloak should go in Pvp. Its the very exact same concept here why should a jedi get this (I win) button. You cannot kill a force cloaker even if they choose to fight all they have to do is KD and walk 20 meters away and cloak. I play on starsider and have been playing full templates this entire mourning. I have kill a 219000, 250000, 260000 but both of my 221000 marks where force cloakers one didn't want to fight and just sat there while i throw posion on him. Another one decided to fight I would get him low mind and force and he would KD me and force cloak and med up again. The only way to uncloak a cloaker is to ae KD them but its kind of useless because they can just reforce cloak. Any jedi who says they have to give things up to be a force cloaker is full of it. 28 points total for an I win button. Smuggler feign death require alot more points than that (roughly 70points). This is my plea for something to be done with this issue.
Asir
Starsider
It's not an I win button, it's an "i get away" button... YOu cannot attack while cloaked, and you cannot cloak unless your furthter than 20m out............. Your issue is you have to chase after your mark, maybe work harder and you DONT LIKE THAT. lazy lazy lazy bh you are.... /tsk /tsk
ktanner3 wrote:
Warryyr wrote:
JMShunter wrote:
if your a ranged bh and the jedi comes for you what most people would do is kite. Now that jedi can cloak kiting is pointless because then they will just cloak when you get 20+ away. Also in the gcw if a jedi doesnt want to die he can just cloak and run away. you cant track or follow him... hes gone.
Kiting is lame, and completely unfun.
Why bother running after you, when you just run ahead of me in gigantic circles while you snare and root and whatever.
If you wanna fight, then fight and stand your ground. If you wanna kite and waste my time, +CLOAK+
If you can't kite and your ranged, and you're tired of dealing with anti-kiting cloakers, then go melee.
That comment makes no sense. I'm not going to stand still in front of a player who is already by design much stronger than I am. I'm going to move around and use what ever means and skills neccessary to keep you and your lightsaber away from me. I've never had this happen to me but if the jedi did this I would simply send out another droid to find him and we would repeat this process until someone won.It's not like the mission is over just because the all-powerful jedi turned chicken and fears he might actually lose.
It makes perfect sense. I can only take so many hours of running like little kids playing "tag" until I've had my fill.
Go ahead and move around, use whatever skills you have. So will I. So, don't scream about destroying my tactics because you have a problem with ME running away, meanwhile YOU are the one constantly running from me, while trying to "attack."
Nothing like attacking while retreating.
Yes, the process would repeat - but you tell me - will you spend the next weeks and months chasing me, only to waste your time? Or, will you move on to a different mark? Obsess all you like, if I'm not going to win, I'll do whatever I can to keep you from winning...whether it be running or hiding, or whatever.
As for your "all powerful Jedi turned chicken" answer me this - who's the bigger "chicken", the one who finally leaves the situation because they're tired of CHASING someone, only to get shot in the head multiple times - or the BH who spends their entire "fight" running like a spastic gazelle, desperately trying to wear the chasing Jedi down...and hoping the Jedi will keep chasing them to they can get a kill?
As for me, I've got brains - why bother chasing you just so I can die. Root ya/stasis ya, /wave, Forcerun3 and +cloak+
Good day.
Want to not be thought of as a chicken, get some melee skills and fight toe to toe - otherwise it's you who's perpetually running from the fight, hoping I'll chase after you, so you can shoot me.
I don't buy it - waste of my time.
whats your template?
Rinia wrote:
I've been a Bounty Hunter since Master Marksman and Master Scout were required so I suggest you shut your mouth on the whole 'jedi troll' thing.
As for the rooting "problem" you're having. It sounds like you need to learn some tactics. So what if the root misses, its not the end of the world. You can still stay within 20m to keep him from cloaking. You could use snare, knockdown, if your a CM you could paralyze him, or better yet, attack him somewhere where there are NPC's or mobs around! This would also prevent him from cloaking.
Personally, if my mark isnt dead within the first 15-20 seconds anyway something has gone wrong.
I had this happen to me yesterday, went after a 197k jedi, found him on Doth,so I went and tracked him to his xp spot. Waited till they pulled and used that time to unleash my damage, I was doing very well. I figured I need to get some practice with the patch on the 20th.
Well here i was doing very well, and he decided to force run away, so I said screw it and hit my burst run and cought up with him. Well to make a long story short, he ended up rooting me and ran to the starport. After root faded, I called my BARC and went after him. I was next to him the whole time till he got to the starport and he called his ship and took off.
So yeah something needs to be done, this is the escape key, hit and your free.