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Thread: BH TEF AND CLOAKING
EvilAztec wrote:
- Cloak is a non-targetable state... so anyone should be prohibited from targeting, that includes buffers
- Sorry charlie, but cloak is a viable skill, perhaps you'd like to give up roots/dazes/mezzes. This is my counter to those.
- Thanks for taking a stand against the ridiculous Tanks.
Tucheck wrote:
Tanks wrote:
Rukahs wrote:
I'm a Lvl 74 Bh and Went after my mark , all was going good till his force runs out , so he cloaks mid battle and meditats right in front of me regens and his doc friend rebuffs him ,Unless it is broken recently you can not meditate while cloaked.then he uncloaks and we go at it again same thing he runs off cloaks and regens mid battle , and then does it a third time this battle lasted about 45 mins cause he was a wuss and would run off cloak and heal,First Off BH TEF Should be no cloaking durning the fight , if they cant get in a house why be able to cloakSecond Off The Doc healing him cause his tef ran off cause he was cloaked so longCloak is a skill. Are you saying people should not be able to use their skills while in combat?Yes I died cause i couldnt run off and hide , and yes lvl 74 vs 80 i should have diedWhat do you true bh thinkI think people should stop complaining about Cloak..
I'm a little disappointed you would take that stance Tanks. The guys says the Jedi decided to regen and get buffs all while cloaked....you really think this is okay?
*edit* Also, claok obviously doesn't cost very much. I know a few Jedi that run around Perma-cloaked. That's all they do is cloak and stay out of most busy cities. I myself have found 2 cloaked Jedi while heading to my WP. I saw the WP light keep moving, but nothing was there...Message Edited by Tucheck on 07-25-200502:11 PM
I'm NOT saying Cloak should not be used....I'm saying it is being abused IF and when a Jedi regens Force or recieves a buff WHILE cloaked. We agree on that I see, so why is it ridiculous to ask for this to be fixed (if possible)? I'll say THIS much...I'll just create a little macro and name it "66". If I see a Jedi getting buffed or regen'ing force while cloaked....I'll just have to apply a few DOTs to "counter it". That's fair...right?
Corvett wrote:
Seriena wrote:
Template: MBH / MPistoleer / Smuggler 4000
Abilities for crowd control
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1. Concusion Shot - Stops opponent completly unable to attack too. Perfect for healing yourself and refilling food.
2. Panic Shot - Makes opponent unable to attack. (20 sec). Good after they knock you down and standing back up.
3. Advanced Stopping Shot - FR3 jedi abvious.
4. Underhand Shot - Use this then do Concusion. Makes them have to lay there. Plus your next shot will hit for higher.
What? Not fair. I say we nerf them since Bh has the abilty to, stop me from attacking, running, or makeing me have to lay there. Those skills are way to powerful and should be nerfed. Wait a sec, I am sounding alot like a cry baby BH with no skill? I need to re think this through. PLZ show me where Jedi on their boards are asking for these skills to be nerfed everyday? Any given day you will find atleast 4 threads froim BH's crying and asking for nerfs for someone. Wait till Smugglers some along. It will be NERF FD all over again. Sad just plain Sad.
Message Edited by Corvett on 07-25-2005 03:11 PM
Gorge wrote:
Corvett wrote:
Seriena wrote:
Template: MBH / MPistoleer / Smuggler 4000
Abilities for crowd control
---------------------------------
1. Concusion Shot - Stops opponent completly unable to attack too. Perfect for healing yourself and refilling food.
2. Panic Shot - Makes opponent unable to attack. (20 sec). Good after they knock you down and standing back up.
3. Advanced Stopping Shot - FR3 jedi abvious.
4. Underhand Shot - Use this then do Concusion. Makes them have to lay there. Plus your next shot will hit for higher.
What? Not fair. I say we nerf them since Bh has the abilty to, stop me from attacking, running, or makeing me have to lay there. Those skills are way to powerful and should be nerfed. Wait a sec, I am sounding alot like a cry baby BH with no skill? I need to re think this through. PLZ show me where Jedi on their boards are asking for these skills to be nerfed everyday? Any given day you will find atleast 4 threads froim BH's crying and asking for nerfs for someone. Wait till Smugglers some along. It will be NERF FD all over again. Sad just plain Sad.
Message Edited by Corvett on 07-25-2005 03:11 PM
QFE
As bh, there are many, many abilities that can be considered too strong from them and yet I rarely ever see them asking for us to be nerfed. Why do we have to look like the bad ones here and ask for other professions to be nerfed because some people lack skill? Cloakers are not any more easy or difficult than any other template. You just have to know how to deal with each one. Some of you instead of crying and makeing us look bad should be practiceing instead. Besides you can't win them all and some, I know this may come to you as a shock, you will even lose. That does not however mean that you should come on here and make us look like a bunch of cry babies as many of you do.
Stop that right now, you are makeing sense and these Bh's wont stand for that here.
Tucheck wrote:
Tanks wrote:
Rukahs wrote:
I'm a Lvl 74 Bh and Went after my mark , all was going good till his force runs out , so he cloaks mid battle and meditats right in front of me regens and his doc friend rebuffs him ,Unless it is broken recently you can not meditate while cloaked.then he uncloaks and we go at it again same thing he runs off cloaks and regens mid battle , and then does it a third time this battle lasted about 45 mins cause he was a wuss and would run off cloak and heal,First Off BH TEF Should be no cloaking durning the fight , if they cant get in a house why be able to cloakSecond Off The Doc healing him cause his tef ran off cause he was cloaked so longCloak is a skill. Are you saying people should not be able to use their skills while in combat?Yes I died cause i couldnt run off and hide , and yes lvl 74 vs 80 i should have diedWhat do you true bh thinkI think people should stop complaining about Cloak.
I'm a little disappointed you would take that stance Tanks. The guys says the Jedi decided to regen and get buffs all while cloaked....you really think this is okay?
*edit* Also, claok obviously doesn't cost very much. I know a few Jedi that run around Perma-cloaked. That's all they do is cloak and stay out of most busy cities. I myself have found 2 cloaked Jedi while heading to my WP. I saw the WP light keep moving, but nothing was there...Message Edited by Tucheck on 07-25-2005 02:11 PM
Ironic, isn't it? Half the threads on this board complain that Jedi should be "in hiding" in this timeline, and the other half complain about Jedi using cloak to hide.
As for originally quoted post from Tanks, I say "Bravo!" Thanks for the support for us Powers Jedi.
oh this is no problem at all, in fact the solution is very simple!
if you cant beat your mark, get a new one.
if he's able to get far enough away to cloak then your not clever enough to beat him. find someone easier to kill...(new player jedi, NPC, etc)
Oblox2 wrote:
didnt you quit tucheck?
Obviously he hasn't quit whineing we know this much.
Oblox2 wrote:
didnt you quit tucheck?
You cannot argue his point, so instead you are attacking him? What does his quitting the game have to do with Jedi being able to Clock themself?
As for your screenie, well, yeah, saw that. Two cloakers transferring force between themselves while you sat there unable to attack. Wasn't quite sure what you were trying to illustrate with this. Was it that you don't feel cloakers should be able to /transferForce while cloaked? Or that these guys stay cloaked all the time, making you unable to attack them?
As for the force transferring stuff, well, what can I say? Like so much of the rest of the game, cloak has some serious bugs right now. SOE seems to be "working on them" as evidenced by the recent /target fix, but they are looong from gone. Just keep in mind that not all these bugs are beneficial to the cloaked jedi, and while some of these bugs can be exploited to the jedi's benefit, others can be exploited to his/her detriment.
As for the "What about the Powers Jedi who stays cloaked 95% the time? He is practically not huntable!", well, you're pretty much describing me. While some use cloak only to sneak attack or escape, I use it as a default state. I stay cloaked always, and only decloak when I must. Any BH wishing to hunt me will have a very hard time ever catching me at that perfect moment, cause I am extremely cautious about any time I spend decloaked (usually buffed to the hilt). So, the chances of a BH ever collecting my bounty are slim to none. So what? Whats the problem with that? Some templates with some skills are going to be beyond your reach. This doesn't mean that they are certain death to you (tho some may very well be), necesserily, just that you may not be able to kill them unless they put themselves in a bad position. This isn't a FPS where everyone has the same equipment and health, and its just a matter of who clicks the buttons and moves the mouse the best. All characters are NOT equal, and some will beyond your abilities, even as a full temp MBH. I think cloak is one such skill. The good thing about it for you is that most cloaker Jedi don't use it like I do, and only cloak when they need to. You have a much better shot at these guys, as you can snare/root/delay/KD these guys to try and keep them from cloaking.
rYsyn wrote:
Oblox2 wrote:
didnt you quit tucheck?
You cannot argue his point, so instead you are attacking him? What does his quitting the game have to do with Jedi being able to Clock themself?
Perhaps the fact that we have enough cry babies that are playing and we don't need people who are not playing to add to that whineing? Perhaps we should take alook at some Bh abilites and start asking for nerfs? Keep this crap up and that is what this is going to spark and that isn't good for either of us.
Corvett wrote:
rYsyn wrote:
Oblox2 wrote:
didnt you quit tucheck?
You cannot argue his point, so instead you are attacking him? What does his quitting the game have to do with Jedi being able to Clock themself?
Perhaps the fact that we have enough cry babies that are playing and we don't need people who are not playing to add to that whineing? Perhaps we should take alook at some Bh abilites and start asking for nerfs? Keep this crap up and that is what this is going to spark and that isn't good for either of us.
Don't you do that already?
Anytime a Bounty Hunter actually kills his mark your boards light up. You've gotten names removed, dollar value removed, VIS restrictions removed, XP loss removed for everything but BH Missions. You now have a system that pretty much pits Bounty Hunter verse a Full Templated JEdi and thus only about a 10% chance of completing the mission, meaning that the only XP you can lose will probably not happen and if it actual does, who cares because you are done grinding anyway.
Heck, with the new VIS rules, the chance of anoob Jedigettingon the terminals now is next to 0%!
Over time, I'm willing to bet that you will not see Bounty Hunters coming after you near as much because there is little chance they can win. This of course has little to do with your skill as a PvPer, but everything to do with your Alpah Power and your ability to use specials like "clock" or "Force Run" or "aviod Incap" and avoid combat / deathwhenever you don't want to (in a one on one fight). Not saying that is a bad thing, you should not be able to, but the ability tonot lose a fight is WAY morediscouraging the the ability to win a fight, for which Jedi has both.
Wheither people whine to much or not does not change the fact that he had a valid point. If everything else he says is off base and a complete whine is not relevent nor does it change the fact that his point on this subject is valid. If, as you state, you are looking out for "both of us" then don't avoid to subject at hand when it is a valid one.
Look, you win, we all get it. Jedi are it for SWG. You don't have to worry about that changing, you will always be the focal point of the game and the content there in. But the ability of a Jedi to cloak and receive buffs without being attacked is a valid issue.
Message Edited by rYsyn on 07-26-2005 11:44 AM
rYsyn wrote:
.... But the ability of a Jedi to cloak and receive buffs without being attacked is a valid issue.
This is the only valid argument in this whole thread. When there is a bug or a design problem with an ability we should try to get that fixed, not try to nerf the ability to hell and back.
Tanks wrote:
rYsyn wrote:
.... But the ability of a Jedi to cloak and receive buffs without being attacked is a valid issue.
This is the only valid argument in this whole thread. When there is a bug or a design problem with an ability we should try to get that fixed, not try to nerf the ability to hell and back.
Agreed, I've asked about 4 times what the "real" issue is.
As I understand it, a Combat Medic or Doctor can BUFF a Jedi while he is clocked, thus making the Jedi unattackable to the BH (assumes clocking breaks combat or after time the combat auto drops).
Seems to me that the JEdi / BH "TEF" needs to apply to BUFFs (if they are in combat) and there isan issue with the "targeting" of Medics when Jedi are clocked. It is my understanding that if a Jedi is clocked then they are suppose to be untargetable, so not sure how they are able to get buffed.
So, as I understand it, there are 2 issues
- BH / Jedi TEF appling to Buffs (While in combat and this my not even be the issue)
- Medic's ability to target Jedi when they are clocked
Is that it or am I missing something?
Message Edited by rYsyn on 07-26-2005 12:37 PM