Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: BH TEF AND CLOAKING
MrGouda
Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:00 am
#66
QUOTE: Its a combat ability, why remove it?
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So was feign death.
QFE!!!! So true, so true. How many jedi used to scream about that one? One? Two? OLD FD WAS NO DIFFERENT THAN CLOAK!!!!!!
Solution = cloak drains health and force. This is a defensive move enabling escape or escape from death. Just like FD was. Should not be offesive move. No way should a jedi come out of cloak better off than he/she was going into it.
That being said. If I ever lock it will be the first skill I go for...
Tucheck
Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:07 am
#67
Tanks wrote:
Rukahs wrote:
I'm a Lvl 74 Bh and Went after my mark , all was going good till his force runs out , so he cloaks mid battle and meditats right in front of me regens and his doc friend rebuffs him ,Unless it is broken recently you can not meditate while cloaked.then he uncloaks and we go at it again same thing he runs off cloaks and regens mid battle , and then does it a third time this battle lasted about 45 mins cause he was a wuss and would run off cloak and heal,First Off BH TEF Should be no cloaking durning the fight , if they cant get in a house why be able to cloakSecond Off The Doc healing him cause his tef ran off cause he was cloaked so longCloak is a skill. Are you saying people should not be able to use their skills while in combat?Yes I died cause i couldnt run off and hide , and yes lvl 74 vs 80 i should have diedWhat do you true bh thinkI think people should stop complaining about Cloak..
I'm a little disappointed you would take that stance Tanks. The guys says the Jedi decided to regen and get buffs all while cloaked....you really think this is okay?
*edit* Also, claok obviously doesn't cost very much. I know a few Jedi that run around Perma-cloaked. That's all they do is cloak and stay out of most busy cities. I myself have found 2 cloaked Jedi while heading to my WP. I saw the WP light keep moving, but nothing was there...
Message Edited by Tucheck on 07-25-2005 02:11 PM
Seriena
Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:27 am
#68
Template: MBH / MPistoleer / Smuggler 4000
Abilities for crowd control
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1. Concusion Shot - Stops opponent completly unable to attack too. Perfect for healing yourself and refilling food.
2. Panic Shot - Makes opponent unable to attack. (20 sec). Good after they knock you down and standing back up.
3. Advanced Stopping Shot - FR3 jedi abvious.
4. Underhand Shot - Use this then do Concusion. Makes them have to lay there. Plus your next shot will hit for higher.
My experiences with dealing with MDef / MLS have came down to this stragity:
1. You NEED a very very fast gun. To do this just get a High Cap Scatter pistol and put a 30%+ speed pup on it.
The one I use has a 0.85 modded speed after pup. This makes the gun have a 782 DPS! (You shoot fast)
2. Get an adrenal buff from a doctor. This will dramaticly improve your speed.
3. Your action will drop VERY fast now that your shooting fast. So eat as much action regen food as possible and take a pixie. Obvious..
4. Master defenders have +500 defence when using Aura, so you must compensate for it. Go get some Pyro, its a drink that gives you around 180-210+ accuracy for around 45 seconds.
5. Synthsteak for around 43% decrease in the jedi'sdamage output. (Very useful for using LAST DITCH).
I have taken down many jedi with this template by just using Pyro and Last Ditch. Last ditch does not always work but it is very efficient when using Pyro too. I hit a Mdef in a duel for 5400+ points. One thing though is if they knock you down and you try to use it when you stand back up, there is a HIGH chance that you will miss. So stick with Concusion or panic and heal yourself.
So overall you just need to do more damage than they can heal. Or you can just stick with draining thier forcebar.
Corvett
Mon Jul 25, 2005 1:11 pm
#69
Seriena wrote:
Template: MBH / MPistoleer / Smuggler 4000
Abilities for crowd control
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1. Concusion Shot - Stops opponent completly unable to attack too. Perfect for healing yourself and refilling food.
2. Panic Shot - Makes opponent unable to attack. (20 sec). Good after they knock you down and standing back up.
3. Advanced Stopping Shot - FR3 jedi abvious.
4. Underhand Shot - Use this then do Concusion. Makes them have to lay there. Plus your next shot will hit for higher.
What? Not fair. I say we nerf them since Bh has the abilty to, stop me from attacking, running, or makeing me have to lay there. Those skills are way to powerful and should be nerfed. Wait a sec, I am sounding alot like a cry baby BH with no skill? I need to re think this through. PLZ show me where Jedi on their boards are asking for these skills to be nerfed everyday? Any given day you will find atleast 4 threads froim BH's crying and asking for nerfs for someone. Wait till Smugglers some along. It will be NERF FD all over again. Sad just plain Sad.
Message Edited by Corvett on 07-25-2005 03:11 PM
RebsBeware
Mon Jul 25, 2005 1:33 pm
#70
Eskie wrote:
Everything fair game except the CM DOT stuff. Applying CM DOTs after a Jedi cloaked is exploiting.
In that case, so is healing other players while cloaked. You think a jedi's cloak should allow them to sit there and meditate, applying a load of whizz bang jedi styleee effects and keep them 'cloaked'. Everyone knows where a 'cloaker' is, its just used as a god mode button.You say cloak should be used exactly as the first poster described. So, the application of CM dots to the cloaker is different from the application of doc buffs to the cloaker from his friend how exactly?
Bah, Im not crying nerf, I'm getting it with mbh on one of my chars myself in a few days. Wonder how many jedi will cry like babies when I only decloak as my DB kills them after they got incapped from a duel/pve/pvp. Outcloak the cloakers I say. Jedi/BH ftw.
Leatherneck_of_Alderaan
Mon Jul 25, 2005 1:37 pm
#71
As an avid cloaker, I agree. ANYTHING that affects another character, player, npc, whatever should break cloak. I don't care if it's buffing, healing, attacking. Anything stronger than an emote should break cloak if it affects anybody else in any way.
RebsBeware wrote:
Eskie wrote:
Everything fair game except the CM DOT stuff. Applying CM DOTs after a Jedi cloaked is exploiting.
In that case, so is healing other players while cloaked. You think a jedi's cloak should allow them to sit there and meditate, applying a load of whizz bang jedi styleee effects and keep them 'cloaked'. Everyone knows where a 'cloaker' is, its just used as a god mode button.You say cloak should be used exactly as the first poster described. So, the application of CM dots to the cloaker is different from the application of doc buffs to the cloaker from his friend how exactly?
Bah, Im not crying nerf, I'm getting it with mbh on one of my chars myself in a few days. Wonder how many jedi will cry like babies when I only decloak as my DB kills them after they got incapped from a duel/pve/pvp. Outcloak the cloakers I say. Jedi/BH ftw.
Scoooter
Mon Jul 25, 2005 1:44 pm
#72
Umm x4xx powers is not a huge skill investment. If it was a master level skill you could say that. It is easily fit in for the dabbler that wants it
LintonLisa wrote:
cloak is a huge investment of skills, any jedi with cloak is much much weaker in pvp than most other jedi. The only advantage they have is being able to run.
Its a combat ability, why remove it?
RebsBeware
Mon Jul 25, 2005 1:51 pm
#73
Leatherneck_of_Alderaan wrote:
As an avid cloaker, I agree. ANYTHING that affects another character, player, npc, whatever should break cloak. I don't care if it's buffing, healing, attacking. Anything stronger than an emote should break cloak if it affects anybody else in any way.
RebsBeware wrote:
Eskie wrote:
Everything fair game except the CM DOT stuff. Applying CM DOTs after a Jedi cloaked is exploiting.
In that case, so is healing other players while cloaked. You think a jedi's cloak should allow them to sit there and meditate, applying a load of whizz bang jedi styleee effects and keep them 'cloaked'. Everyone knows where a 'cloaker' is, its just used as a god mode button.You say cloak should be used exactly as the first poster described. So, the application of CM dots to the cloaker is different from the application of doc buffs to the cloaker from his friend how exactly?
Bah, Im not crying nerf, I'm getting it with mbh on one of my chars myself in a few days. Wonder how many jedi will cry like babies when I only decloak as my DB kills them after they got incapped from a duel/pve/pvp. Outcloak the cloakers I say. Jedi/BH ftw.
/nod. good words. or move the ability to do such to improved cloak, for mpowers.
Leatherneck_of_Alderaan
Mon Jul 25, 2005 2:03 pm
#74
RebsBeware wrote:
Leatherneck_of_Alderaan wrote:
As an avid cloaker, I agree. ANYTHING that affects another character, player, npc, whatever should break cloak. I don't care if it's buffing, healing, attacking. Anything stronger than an emote should break cloak if it affects anybody else in any way.
RebsBeware wrote:
Eskie wrote:
Everything fair game except the CM DOT stuff. Applying CM DOTs after a Jedi cloaked is exploiting.
In that case, so is healing other players while cloaked. You think a jedi's cloak should allow them to sit there and meditate, applying a load of whizz bang jedi styleee effects and keep them 'cloaked'. Everyone knows where a 'cloaker' is, its just used as a god mode button.You say cloak should be used exactly as the first poster described. So, the application of CM dots to the cloaker is different from the application of doc buffs to the cloaker from his friend how exactly?
Bah, Im not crying nerf, I'm getting it with mbh on one of my chars myself in a few days. Wonder how many jedi will cry like babies when I only decloak as my DB kills them after they got incapped from a duel/pve/pvp. Outcloak the cloakers I say. Jedi/BH ftw.
/nod. good words. or move the ability to do such to improved cloak, for mpowers.
That's not a bad compromise. Leave cloak as is, with the exception of helping others, and move the ability to help other players to the MPowers box. Attacks and debuffs should always break cloak of course.
Lemiskan
Mon Jul 25, 2005 10:38 pm
#76
Lot of jedi are picking up the cloak skills . It cost 8+8+6+4+2= 28 pts into jedi to gain cloak this totally screw either there offensive or defensive capabilities. Yes they can run but hey anybody can do that. They can hide but chances are if they are low on force they won't last long anyways. Although I believe that they should not be able too use force powers while cloaked like heal or force meditate
RustemGT
Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:05 pm
#77
As a Mpowers jedi I need to use cloak to beat BH's SInce force lighting has a range of 35m and I have to remain perfectly still during the windup it si quite easy for a BH to sit outside my range and blow me apart with a proton carbine. He can fire while moving.. I can't so I use cloak when he gets out of range... that way he has to stay in range of my attacks to hit me... basically it is a combat ability and one that can be used strategically. Unless you want us all to be MLS Mdefender don't complain too much 
Eskie
Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:44 pm
#78
RebsBeware wrote:
Eskie wrote:
Everything fair game except the CM DOT stuff. Applying CM DOTs after a Jedi cloaked is exploiting.
In that case, so is healing other players while cloaked. You think a jedi's cloak should allow them to sit there and meditate, applying a load of whizz bang jedi styleee effects and keep them 'cloaked'. Everyone knows where a 'cloaker' is, its just used as a god mode button. You say cloak should be used exactly as the first poster described. So, the application of CM dots to the cloaker is different from the application of doc buffs to the cloaker from his friend how exactly?Bah, Im not crying nerf, I'm getting it with mbh on one of my chars myself in a few days. Wonder how many jedi will cry like babies when I only decloak as my DB kills them after they got incapped from a duel/pve/pvp. Outcloak the cloakers I say. Jedi/BH ftw.
Actually thats not what I think. Go through my post history and you should be able to find a couple of posts in which I say self-assists (healing, Force channel, Enhancer buffs) should be possible while cloaked while assisting others (healing, Force transfer) should not be possible without decloaking. Nice try to put words into my mouth I never said.
Message Edited by Eskie on 07-26-2005 08:44 AM