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Thread: Bounty Hunter Feedback Requested: Armor Certification
foz200315 wrote:
All issues and reasons etc aside, a simple fact is this:
Why would any decent BH (in books/films/us - in game) wear amour for hunting Jedi if it has low energy resist?
I have always wondered why on earth BH got the assault certification - weird.
Change would be good - should have been that way to start with.
Then go with rifles and get recon certification. The Ubese (recon) I wear is nearly 8K energy resist.
Keos Enfield, MBH
As Tanks would say, look for the low-hanging fruit. Ifthe Devs canmake a good number of Bounty Hunters happyby doing something as simple as changing our Armor certs, they'll be more inclined to do it.
Nakahs wrote:
Please stick to these issues they are much more important. Armor certification for MBH may be confusing but it works very good since CU and there was no major cry to get another cert.
Thank you for your feedback. Yes, that does seem to be the general opinion of the community. However, had I not asked, I never would have known
Nakahs wrote:
U can see that it is no need for the majority cause people eventry to get their ideas with battle armor which is the best armor cause of both stats can be high, through. Lets keep it balanced and let MBH cert for assault it works very good for most people and looksmore sexeyanyways...
Sundal wrote:
destrkta wrote:
your most likely a respec bh, ive been a bh back before there were vehicles or mount's, don't go saying i know nothing of bh/jedi and actually underhandshot is useless it does so little dmg, but then respec kiddies must think kd is the win still, since the removal of the dizzy/kd it has only ever been able to save you a extra shot, if i hit with a critical and then a headshot i'll do more dmg than your underhand and then critical.
Critical shot is a great move does great dmg especially if you hit for +critical+, duelist stance works well maybe you haven't played with it enough but my opponent's miss me alot more with it on(dmg reduction is minimal though), also don't forget the heap of general ranged speed/accuracy and defences you get in the profession.
I'm mbh/mrifle, for hunting jedi i use recon armor from rifleman, for anything else assault armor ftw 6800kinetic/6000energy resist's give's me a great balance, similar result's can be gained with battle armor.
Also the difference between 6000 energy and 8000energy is only 8% for general pvp/pve where your opponent uses a energy based ranged weapon you get a bonus 20%resist to energy from a psg.
As a bh and a armorsmith i can not going wrong in selling assault armor as long as it's built correctly (maybe your server is full of imcompetent smith's). The only combo i can see suffering for fighting jedi is mbh/mcommando or mbh/msl as with both those profession's you would be stuck with assault armor only, but of course your going to have at least battle armor(doc,cm,carbs) or recon (smuggler, rifle, pistol).
Stop your whining above i've listed the facts i know personally in pvp i can take alot more of a pounding than any opponent that attacks me wearing recon, when someone wearing recon show's up i pull out the ld1 or the czerka (and i don't have any carbineer) and they fall like paper, where as they choose energy based attack (me wearing assault) and i'm resisting 72% of their dmg, compared to their energy layered recon giving them 42%resist's to my kinetic based attacks.
Read the above, you might have to read it 2 or 3 times for the information to sink in you seem a bit dull today.
Learn how to debate correctly and more people will take you seriously. All you do is sling around insults. Calling me a respec BH like I care(my character never had any respecc abilities btw). Telling me my entire server is full of incompetent armorsmith.You are practically flaming yourself byshowing your maturity and intelligence at such a low level.
And I love the "I never had swoops, had to wait on shuttle" argument. What does that have to do with the current game? Nothing. Ok then. Let's move on.
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"don't go saying i know nothing of bh/jedi and actually underhandshot is useless it does so little dmg"
If there was any doubtas toyour ineptitude as a pvp'er or a jedi hunter, that sentence cleared it up right there. People dont use underhand shot for the damage, you use it inspite of the damage.
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The only combo i can see suffering for fighting jedi is mbh/mcommando or mbh/msl as with both those profession's you would be stuck with assault armor only
Here you are agreeing with Samous and myself, but I dont think you realize it.MBH's armor limits the possible combination you can have. Say you want to stack different professions without having a second mastery, you would be limited to assault armor only.
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Thefact that you said "assault armor is the one good thing" BH have going for themmakes you look like a fool. Since no BH gets the master box and thinks to themselves, "yay, I get to wear assault armor".
No i'm not agreeing with your statement at all, for balance purposes everything possible must not be all available to one profession think why we don't have snares or root's in bh it means you have to diverse, same applies for healing, if anything bh is a enhancers profession ontop of other ranged professions. As I said get some 6800kinetic/6000energy resist assault and pvp with it, no matter what hit's you you'll be resisting at least 50% you get hit with ranged energy based attacks will reduce the dmg by 75%.
BH is not all about hunting jedi, if would really laugh if you came up against a hybrid jedi mswords/mdefender or something to that level and you were wearing 8k energy armor. You would be dying faster than you could say a word.
Underhandshot is really pointless in pvp as most people will not stay long on their back enough to make up for the lack of extra dmg dealt if you want to get a heal in your better off using startle shot or disarming shot these actually deal a decent amount of dmg and you can get 2 heals in the timer.
Now reasoning about the profession limitations, well the dev's said from the start of the CU it was designed so that people would master their professions not dabble and that's the incentive, i have no issues with being mbh/mrifle, dabbling is a way of making your character stronger by allowing you access to more cross profession specials but then you are also nullified by having only 1 type of armor, this is one of the reasons i believe jedi missions were moved to the master box from the invest3.
Now get your facts straight you started throwing the insult's i just returned them, and the fact that I am correct in my assumption of how long you have been playing bh, you say bh is not good for pvp i disagree, i've only ever lost 1 duel against another ranged profession and he was also a bh.
Samous i'm sorry i can not agree with your statement fix something that will make a majority of the bh's happy, there is actually a select few in the community who continuously post the same garbage, pushing this fix (which will not get fixed for balance reasons) will be a waste of your time and the communities time in getting the real issues fixed. I suggest you close the issue if you are truly interested in fixing bh.
Message Edited by Sundal on 10-17-2005 09:15 PM
I think bounty hunter should have battle cert. We should be ready for anything and battle armor is the ready foranything armor in the energy/kinetic dmg world we are in.
However i do wish we could choose to raise 1 of the secondary resist at the cost of the others being lowered.
example:
heat 7000
acid 3000
cold 3000
giving more of a choice on protection
As much as I think BH needs this changed, I think there is more to take in consideration here.
What about this...make the Craftable BH Armor be RECON. That way we can play our roles and look it too!
Message Edited by Thadeus_Tempest on 10-17-2005 07:13 PM
Sundal wrote:
This argument started because of an asinine comment you made about assault armor being "the one good" thing BH has. My point is that assault armor is not the correct armor BH should be wearing. You agreed when you stated the following:
"The only combo i can see suffering for fighting jedi is mbh/mcommando or mbh/msl as with both those profession's you would be stuck with assault armor only"
Your problem is that you see MR/MBH, MCM/MBH, etc, etc as one profession. They are not. MBH is one profession, MCM is one profession. MBH by itself with an armor certification of assault armor makes no sense. The only reason it's tolerated and accepted is because you can combine other professions which have better armor certifications. You, yourself, stated that this fact admitting that mbh/msl would be stuck with assault armor. If the orginal certification for MBH is battle, would you make the same comment? "MBH/MSL is stuck with only battle armor" suddenly doesnt sound as bad.
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BH is not all about hunting jedi, if would really laugh if you came up against a hybrid jedi mswords/mdefender or something to that level and you were wearing 8k energy armor.
Sorry but if I wanted to do mass pvp, I would do commando to spam aoe, or riflemen to shoot things 80m without a problem. So in fact the majority of pvp for BH's ARE jedi. As for your example, a root and snare would make short work of that hybrid.
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Underhandshot is really pointless in pvp as most people will not stay long on their back enough to make up for the lack of extra dmg dealt if you want to get a heal in your better off using startle shot or disarming shot these actually deal a decent amount of dmg and you can get 2 heals in the timer.
You are seriously still trying to defend your stance on underhand shot being worthless? You do understand how much this undermines your claim at being an "incredible pvper" dont you? I wont bother trying to teach someone like you how to be effective, but at some point you might want to try learning combo's. Underhand >> Critical >> Startle >> Headshot maybe?
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Now get your facts straight you started throwing the insult's i just returned them, and the fact that I am correct in my assumption of how long you have been playing bh, you say bh is not good for pvp i disagree, i've only ever lost 1 duel against another ranged profession and he was also a bh.
The first sentence you posted in this thread was: " It really show's how little our new correspondent know's this profession, he whines about one of the good thing's going for us."
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And fyi, you have yet to be correct in anything you have typed. Let alone your assumptions about me. But since we're playing that game let me give it a try.
- You think you're smarter then other people simply because you started before them.
- At best you spend minimal time as a BH. You might do NPC missions, you might hunt jedi from time to time. But the majority of your time is spent on another character.
- Your armor is not sliced for AB.
- You spent maybe 5 million on your Bounty Hunter. Maybe for a good gun.
- You tell your friends your DPS, because you think it's really good.
- You say you're great at pvp, but my bet is that it hovers around 1300-1500.
As for me...
- I am always looking for more information
- All I do is BH. If Iog into the game for 2 hours, it's 2 hours doing BH missions. 4 hours? That's 4 hours of hunting jedi.
- I have 2 RIS sliced for AB. RIS simply because it has the highest condition and shock padding are costly at the moment. One set of RIS is completely ADK, my second set I'm building with better SEA's.
- My total receipt for all my gear pushes 190 million on a relativey small server(8 akd in total). Add another 100 million or so for your top-end servers.
- I have two guns, one for SAC which I primarily use, max damage with the prepub-23 accracy scope(currently not working but in the future might help).The second gun is pre-cu and the min cap is higher then normal. I use in conjunction with a damage pup, pushing my min-damage over 600 on a featherweight pistol.
- My pvp rating is just over 1750, doing nothing but Jedi.
Message Edited by Sundal on 10-17-200509:15 PM
lol you really make me laugh ok first up i've been as high as 1900pvp rating, atm i'm sitting on 1720
ive got 2 suits of armor full adkitted and modded 1 8k energy recon i use for jedi hunting and 6800kin/6000ener bh armor i use for pvp and pve both suit's have all general ranged and defence mods capped, the recon also has all rifle/pistol mods capped, the bh suit has a all rifle/carbineer mods capped.
Oh and yes i do have the whole suit sliced for 75%ab reduction on the recon, and 3% critcial save the bh armor, i've been offered upwards of $300usd for my suit of recon and have not sold it, don't even begin to contemplate owning gear like i do, pre cu i carried an an arsenal of 3 exceptional weapons, 500health fire pike, 800health poision scatter pistol, 1500dmg lva, and again in post cu i'm no exception, 160million worth of armor lol, i've got 200million sitting in my bank.
You (i would say my friend but that would be insulting me) are a newb bh and get some idea first, and get off your 4000cm template or maybe it's mcm.
I personally feel Assauly armour is the wrong cert for BH, I definetely think Battle armour or Recon armour certs for BH and their specialist armours would be the way to go. I get by with assault armour, but to be honest I ahve a nice health enhanced suit of bh armour that I wear just for show, its no use to me whatsoever in the field, I use my TK innate armour (battle effectively) but it would be nice to be able to wear an effective armour for jedi hunting that could be armour break sliced. I think the assault cert makes no sense whatsoever for the BH role, sure it may make sense for a tank, but since when did BH square up against critters, a BH is supposed to hunt people, normally using energy based weapons.
Nachro wrote:
i disagree to turn bh armor cert to recon, this will give a big penalty in pve where assault armors are better then others, this way a bh/rifle (or pistol, carabine ecc), will be greatly penalized i think.
the current certification is pretty balanced, you can wear recon with any other ranged profession, or battle with doc/cm, but assaults are pretty important for a bh.
I disagree a little. The Bounty Hunter's Armor Cert should be based on that profession as a whole, not what you can dabble or compliment your profession with.
Beinga "Bounty Hunter" is suppose to be about Ranged Combat, because of that I think Assault Armor is completely the wrong classification. But Ranged Combat is not all about Energy, it also includes Kenetic.
So, I would think that a Bounty Hunter would have a "balanced" set of armor to acheive his profession. That I why I think BH armor should be Battle Armor.