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Thread: FEEDBACK: Jedi Missions No Longer Showing Player Name, or Bounty Payout

Canvas
Tue Jul 05, 2005 1:25 pm
#79






Jaded_Lady wrote:





I am also offended by the commentary on only reason a person with a Jedi would have a MBH would be to farm frs.. perhaps others intend to do that but not all of us.. my thoughts in having a MBH is that if you know how your opponent functions you are better equipped in dealing with them.

Message Edited by Jaded_Lady on 07-05-2005 04:18 PM





It is not different than all the Jedi who come in here and claim thatthe only reason whymost BHs oppose these changes is because they are not longer able to harass and grief certain paddies over and over again, with the sole intent of ganking them to hell and back in order to ruin their gaming fun.





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Jaded_Lady
Tue Jul 05, 2005 1:26 pm
#80

"I will quit the game if this happens.. BH is the only fun thing in this game currently and doing this will make BHing nearly impossible while every Jedi will be in Kash afk grinding with nothing to stop them. I guess it is bye SWG once again /sigh. "


I have to agree I do not think afk grinding any profession should make one feel like they really earned their title but then again there are countless crafters that have used out of game macroing and many more other professions that have macroed thugs for loot and xp etc.


Its the rare person that has morals and values and doesn't give in to temptation such as when vehicles didn't have to be repaired bug.. how many used that to their advantage? To say that a Jedi should not be able to do it same as any other profession is a double standard where there shouldn't be. Allow all or allow none period.


Kash should have something in place to where a BH can get marks but the problem is people would merely camp the starport waiting on the Jedi to come to them instead of doing the hunting and with instances its rather hard I would imagine for the BH to field as well. However, I think developers are knowledgeable to this and probably the next thing they will look at dealing with once they feel they have done enough balancing/nerfing or whatever you like to term it.



Jadae O'Shay~Starsider~Master Tailor, Master of Trades
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AllHandlestaken
Tue Jul 05, 2005 1:27 pm
#81

Also, if you are trying to fix grieving and repeated missions being taken on jedi simply make it so that it is impossible for a BH to retake the same mission within a certain time frame. This isn't about grieving. It is only a way to totally screw up the BH profession. BH are clearly not able to take Knights on a general basis and if we have no idea who are we are hunting it is a losing battle; not to mention we have no idea of the pay???? Are the Devs drinking while making new concepts? PLEASE PLEASE learn from Everquest I and II. Don't try to fix something that isn't broken.....



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Khendra
Tue Jul 05, 2005 1:28 pm
#82






Khendra wrote:


I know its unrealistic to compare this game to real life situations. But imagine trying to collect a real life bounty on someone using the idea from the original poster..


Person. "excuse me mr Bh, I need someone off'd"


Bh. "whats his name?"


Person. "I dont know"


Bh. "where is he?"


Person. "I dont know"


Bh. "is he armed and dangerous?"


Person. "I dont know"


Bh. "well is he available"


Person. "well yeah....."


Bh. "how much are you paying me?"


Person. "I'll tell you after you kill him"


Bh. "..............................................................................................................................................."






My point to what I stated above is if they remove names and bounty amounts from the terms you take away the ability for bh's to determine whether a bounty is to his lvl or not. It also takes away the ability for multiple bh's to take the same mission, which is pretty much a necessity sometimes given that Jedi at full temp are hard to take down even with 2 people. It also takes away the only realism left to Bh, and that's knowing who the person is and how much they are worth....

firestarter0001
Tue Jul 05, 2005 1:29 pm
#83






Cochba wrote:


I like Jedi in just MBH!


[However, put Healing Efficiency +25 in MBH and up the speed/acc/def stats by +10 to +25.]


[Make Duelist Stance work!!! Tested...it mitigated 24 points of dmg from a lightsaber. Also, Make it launch while moving and last 60 sec.]


Payouts need to be HUGE once received!!!! 160k minimum.


[Increase difficulty and payout of NPC missions with same payouts as Jedi, so most of us will never waste our time with a Jedi ever again. Let them run the servers....who cares anymore?!?!]


If offline, then not listen on terminals.


Faction needs to be listed to no waste time on same faction for those of us with ethics.


Names need to be given somewhere down the line: SYNET or Droid. No NH in SW Universe or RL would take a bounty without a name. Whatever happened to first strike advantage being the DEVs solution to how overpowered Jedi are? Without a name how can I have first strike. I do not know their guild, hometown, friends, faction or Dang name? What stupid BH would take a job and not know the marks name? I am mixing real life logic in here, I know. Someone needs to.


No XP on Kashyyyk. I like that idea from someone. If Kashyyyk is mission/content then make grinding elsewhere.


OR makedroids working againon Kashyyyk. .

Message Edited by Cochba on 07-05-2005 01:29 PM





like these, but i edited little bit form the the orginal poster.


also, for a full template jedi knight, make it so they are equal in strength with any other elite profession



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Tamianx
Tue Jul 05, 2005 1:30 pm
#84






Canvas wrote:





Jaded_Lady wrote:





I am also offended by the commentary on only reason a person with a Jedi would have a MBH would be to farm frs.. perhaps others intend to do that but not all of us.. my thoughts in having a MBH is that if you know how your opponent functions you are better equipped in dealing with them.

Message Edited by Jaded_Lady on 07-05-2005 04:18 PM





It is not different than all the Jedi who come in here and claim thatthe only reason whymost BHs oppose these changes is because they are not longer able to harass and grief certain paddies over and over again, with the sole intent of ganking them to hell and back in order to ruin their gaming fun.








Well some of my posts would classify me in that mix. But lets be honest, that is what is happening alot right now. The system is being abused and circumvented in its currnet form .. your supposed to get a mission, then hunt the Jedi .. not see a Jedi (or specifically target one with grief in mind) and then pull the mission. By not receiving the name until downline in the process (post accept or at the spynet op) that issue of griefing is lessened (obviously stil can be done, but at the sacrifice of hours of mission selection, accepting, deleting, and reselection).


As long as faction is added and maybe a base payout of 150-200k + bouns of amount of SP spent . whats the issue? The 'hunt' was the design and now its back in the game ... jedi cant run and hide any longer (note the TEF part of the post) ... this is a good balanced patch IMO.



Jaded_Lady
Tue Jul 05, 2005 1:32 pm
#85






Jaded_Lady wrote:





I am also offended by the commentary on only reason a person with a Jedi would have a MBH would be to farm frs.. perhaps others intend to do that but not all of us.. my thoughts in having a MBH is that if you know how your opponent functions you are better equipped in dealing with them.

Message Edited by Jaded_Lady on 07-05-2005 04:18 PM





"It is not different than all the Jedi who come in here and claim thatthe only reason whymost BHs oppose these changes is because they are not longer able to harass and grief certain paddies over and over again, with the sole intent of ganking them to hell and back in order to ruin their gaming fun. "


Actually, that does happen.. I know of people that anytime they see a certain person regardless of their jedi rank on the terminals, they take after that person's mission constantly. Its like a little cat/mouse game and of coarse there is the little thing of revenge that comes into play alot. Can't tell you how many times Jedi hear threats on how someone is going to take their mission all cause they ruined their PvP fun... it may not be all BHs but it is enlightening to those that don't know at best


"Now, every single bounty hunter is going to have similar templates to all the others. How lame. "


Wow, as I said in another post welcome to the Jedi's world.. most Jedi have to have similar templates to be effective too


Message Edited by Jaded_Lady on 07-05-2005 04:35 PM



Jadae O'Shay~Starsider~Master Tailor, Master of Trades
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Knightcrest
Tue Jul 05, 2005 1:36 pm
#86

The only thing pissing me off is that I have no way of knowing who they are. I'm not overly worried about hiding the payout to not show difficulty... don't really care what stage or finished template they are.


How am I to know I did not just spend the last hour tracking down my guildmate? How am I supposed to know that I did not just track down a member of one of our allied PA's? I use the name to be able to tell if they are someone I don't want to hunt out of both RP and friendships/alliances.


Now, I see about 5-20 jedi a night just swinging their glowsticks around in public in the major cities. It is kinda easy at that point to make some get out of dodge when they shouldn't be able to do that do to time period by jotting down names and running back to the terminals to do your duty and remove the menace as ordered.


Bring back saber tef's if you are going to do that and make the BH tef lock anyone out of combat with that jedi if he has engaged. If not, there is no way that anyone will have much to fear standing in public AFK'ing the pathetic leveled GCW troops for free fp.


A jedi will be able to now macro and go afk spamming force powers in the middle of any public place they want to, and with the sheer volume of jedi numbers.... their mission may never get picked up do to randomness.


Is this what the dev's want? Jedi afk macroing now even worse than on the Rryatt Trail wookiees and now in the public eye because there is no way to remove them? They have a free alt for public view. Now there is no real risk to being in public as many BH's are flat going to quit their BH toons and there will be even less left to hunt jedi to keep the missions in rotation.





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Ternque01
Tue Jul 05, 2005 1:39 pm
#87






Issik wrote:
I'm Done with BH the day this goes live.



I've hunted hundreds of Jedi, only to see it make zero dents in their leveling. The BH system was supposed to be to slow down a jedi's progress, but not anymore. I've been a BH for over a year, and now I'm done.





Oh come on Khyras. I have screenshots of you letting LFD guildJedi kill and rez you over and over again so they can gain FRS points. There were twenty or so MBH's lined up inside of a guildhall in the town of Meggido.


I'm not trying to make you a mortal enemy of me, but come on!





Axob Freelight
The non-Jedi are extinct. Their fire has gone out of the universe.
Quiet420
Tue Jul 05, 2005 1:39 pm
#88

goodbye griefing, salut
Ternque01
Tue Jul 05, 2005 1:41 pm
#89


BH's will spend A LOT of time and A LOT of credits on droids just determining if a mark is even online. This is the HUGE problem with these changes.


Put in only online Jedi on the terms, and give a faction marker. It would make these patch notes much less of crotch-splitting kick to the groin.



Axob Freelight
The non-Jedi are extinct. Their fire has gone out of the universe.
Feomatar
Tue Jul 05, 2005 1:41 pm
#90

BH missions NEED to show the payout or the actual difficulty of the mission. It would just be unfun if a experienced hunter would get a noob jedi mission and a inexperienced hunter gets knights...

It's a game dammit, it needs to be fun! These changes are not fun for bounty hunters at all.



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Warryyr
Tue Jul 05, 2005 1:42 pm
#91






Canvas wrote:







Warryyr wrote:





Canvas wrote:





Warryyr wrote:





Canvas wrote:






Daivan wrote:





Saarkai wrote:

This is absolutly game breaking. The worst idea i have ever heard of. Not only does it not make ANY sense RP wise, it doesn't make any sense game wise.


Also, look for kashyyyk to become a complete jedi safe haven now. Without the name, how are you going to hunt on kashyyk? Run around tabbing through everything till you pick up your mark?







Letting a 3000BH hunt the same as the MBH is what was GAME BREAKING!






Woah. Wromg thread, but since you were typing in caps, large font and red color,ithas tobe true!


Btw what is up with all those Jedi posting here in the BH forums? Keep it to yourown forum if you wanna express how much you love this patch. Would be a nice change to see 1 or 2 non-whining threads over there for once.



Message Edited by Canvas on 07-05-2005 09:11 PM




Ok, I don't know how many times I've seen this exact statement, and said exactly this: If you have something constructive to say, then it should be said, and there are no profession badge requirements to post in any forum you'd like to.


Next, I'm surprised it's taken you this long to find out that many Jedi have BH alts. Now you know.


Finally, you'll see that (as some Jedi have BH alts) they aren't welcoming this patch with open arms, they are actually providing feedback as Auraboron requested, and admitting to possible faults in this system. If you have a problem with that, then I fail to see why you're even posting in this thread.


Also, your post above is anything but constructive, yet you fault the Jedi for posting, though it seems they ARE being constructive. Look in the mirror, it's good to do every so often.






Respecing your Alt which you never play to MBH, in the hope that you can farm him for FRS points once it is turned back on again, doesn't really count.








Making assumptions about people you don't know, and posts like this, doesn't really help a feedback thread. You're wasting my time, your time, and the Devs' time. Contribute, or don't. Your call.





Pushed the right buttons here, eh?


And feedback? I sure can repeat myself again:
Those changes in the BH/Jedi system are a joke, plain and simple. They are made with the only purpose and goal to please the ever growing number of Jedi. No need to say more, as it is pointless. Jedi are SOE's cash cow,and that's it. They whine 24/7, and sooner or later they getwhat they want.Examples needed?


Just to name some of the major "great" changes the Devs came up with:
- Perma-Death??? el oh el
- Removal of Saber-TEF.
- Removal of Skill-loss.
- Removal of XP-loss from non-BH deaths.
- Removal of perma-overtness for fully templated Jedi.
- BH droids not working on Kashyyyk.
- Double XP every 2 weeks, which actually helps mostly Jedi grinders. What good for is double XP for a "regular"toon that is full template since forever?
- And last but not least: Removing Jedi names from the terminals, as well as indication of their level and if they are actually online atm or not, so God forbid the BH has an idea against what he will be up to and of which faction or guild his mark is.




Message Edited by Canvas on 07-05-2005 10:06 PM




You didn't push any buttons, sorry Charlie. Try to work up someone else. I'm just trying to keep things FOCUSED in this thread, since Aura said specifically the Devs would be reading it.


Thank you for once again posting your feedback, now I fail to see (once again) why you feel inclined to post in here if you have nothing new to contribute. Just to claim a "one up" on me, that you pushed my "buttons?" Grow up, already.


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