Bounty Hunter Archive

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VeSiCaNT wrote:

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ShaikeRamjet wrote:

Let's see....

First, The Exploits:

Jedi have used an exploit to mess up BH droids by logging off and then back on. And jedi know your using a droid how?

Jedi have used exploits to over power their sabers by stack crystals and pearls... not once but twice now. This is a paranoid myth for current times and has yet to be proven.

Jedi have used an exploit using the /duel command in order to see if a BH has thier mission. So have bh's in a far FAR worse manner.

Jedi have used the exploit of attacking while cloaked. So have bh's............. Same thing, different name for ability.

Jedi have used an exploit that allowed them to take advantage of a broken TEF system allowing them to run inside house while in combat with the BH. Was not an exploit, it was a game design... bh's would do the same thing if they died and lost up to a weeks worth the grinding.

Jedi have used the exploit of using bugged battlefields to avoid combat with BH. bh's have used this to avoid losing to their mark.

Jedi have used the exploit of /offerRide and /acceptRide from 32m away in order to escape combat. bh's ride around on their vehicles until their health regens and other things when they were about to lose.. It was not an exploit, you just labled it as such.

Jedi have used an exploit of using 2 attacks simultaneously in order to hit twice in a single action. Opinion, not fact.

Jedi have exploited the Respec in order to train a bunch of low level boxes so that they could just respec 12 hours later to 50X the amount of bh's did this than jedi. the high level boxes in order to circumvent the higher XP requirements.

Jedi have used the LOS exploit on the Rryyat Trails in order to avoid combat from BH. Bh's have used this when losing to their mark, many many many times.

Jedi have used an exploit allowing them to DB themselves in order to not lose XP from a BH. I believe you made this up. i've never ever heard of a bug that allowed somebody to DB yourself.

I know there are more... but you get the point. There is plenty of reason for people to complain and "whine" about Jedi. A lot of the exploits affected more than just BH. Jedi are always finding an exploit and some way to get around the few drawbacks that Jedi have.

Second, Inconvenience of Jedi:

Many people feel that Jedi are too great in number. Yet in game most people are grinding jedi.

Many people feel that the Jedi profession has ruined the GCW because of their numbers. Most hard core pvp'er are jedi. So the majority disagree.

Many people feel that because of their numbers, Jedi are too powerful. This could be said with any number of professions, especially bh's.

Many people feel that Jedi are an alpha class and do not have a place in a game with 32 other professions unless their power is greatly reduced in order to maintain a balance for ALL professions. Take out jedi, bh's would be the new alpha class. They are almost in total balance, just most noobs dont know how to fight.

In general, a LOT of people feel that Jedi have ruined this game. There really is just too many of them. A lot of people don't think it's fair that just because they do not want to be a Jedi, they seem to be punished for it. Many Jedi like to try to point the finger and say these people are just jealous of their power when in actuality... that power is grossly overpowered and should be toned down due to the vast number of Jedi. If Jedi were few, then I agree to their need for great power. But when a server of 1500 subscribers has 750 or more Jedi on it... there is a problem.

Message Edited by ShaikeRamjet on 07-23-2005 03:49 PM

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so what about the bounty hunter exploits ?

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ShaikeRamjet wrote:

Actually... all I have seen is like 3 suggestions to what BH has supposedly exploited... and the slicing weapons was one of them, which happens to be a Smuggler skill. So... that leaves 2 exploits that BH supposedly do all of the time. Compare that to the long list I gave... you tell me which profession has the most exploiters and "1337 d00ds" in it.

Jedi can use questionable tactics such as attacking while still cloaked... and I'm told that I suck as a BH and I need to find tactics against it... by Jedi none the less.

Jedi can exploit their sabers to overload them with extra perals and crystals until they are doing 2k damage without the use of armor break or with the BH being knocked down... and I'm told that I need to form tactics against this... by Jedi none the less.

I'm tired of the excuses. Jedi always have a rebuttle(no matter how flawed) as to why they exploit or what an exploit is. Apparently it isn't an exploit unless there is a fix for it on TC.

Jedi walk around with an elitist attitude and think everyone is whining about them because they are "jealous" yet nearly every other profession in the game complains about the Jedi. That should be telling you guys something. I can understand if the profession is hated by 1 or 2 other professions and you guys say that it's just because of jealousy... but when nearly 32 other professions have a problem with Jedi... then there is most definitely a problem...

To use your quote, "but you're just either too dense, or too wrapped up in your own narrow-minded point of view to acknowledge it. No matter how many times it's spelled out for you, you still won't see it. "

Message Edited by ShaikeRamjet on 07-23-2005 07:47 PM

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Message Edited by Dlek_Krego on 07-23-2005 05:12 PM

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Farenheit wrote:

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VeSiCaNT wrote:

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ShaikeRamjet wrote:

Let's see....

First, The Exploits:

Jedi have used an exploit to mess up BH droids by logging off and then back on. And jedi know your using a droid how?

Jedi have used exploits to over power their sabers by stack crystals and pearls... not once but twice now. This is a paranoid myth for current times and has yet to be proven.

Jedi have used an exploit using the /duel command in order to see if a BH has thier mission. So have bh's in a far FAR worse manner.

Jedi have used the exploit of attacking while cloaked. So have bh's............. Same thing, different name for ability.

Jedi have used an exploit that allowed them to take advantage of a broken TEF system allowing them to run inside house while in combat with the BH. Was not an exploit, it was a game design... bh's would do the same thing if they died and lost up to a weeks worth the grinding.

Jedi have used the exploit of using bugged battlefields to avoid combat with BH. bh's have used this to avoid losing to their mark.

Jedi have used the exploit of /offerRide and /acceptRide from 32m away in order to escape combat. bh's ride around on their vehicles until their health regens and other things when they were about to lose.. It was not an exploit, you just labled it as such.

Jedi have used an exploit of using 2 attacks simultaneously in order to hit twice in a single action. Opinion, not fact.

Jedi have exploited the Respec in order to train a bunch of low level boxes so that they could just respec 12 hours later to 50X the amount of bh's did this than jedi. the high level boxes in order to circumvent the higher XP requirements.

Jedi have used the LOS exploit on the Rryyat Trails in order to avoid combat from BH. Bh's have used this when losing to their mark, many many many times.

Jedi have used an exploit allowing them to DB themselves in order to not lose XP from a BH. I believe you made this up. i've never ever heard of a bug that allowed somebody to DB yourself.

I know there are more... but you get the point. There is plenty of reason for people to complain and "whine" about Jedi. A lot of the exploits affected more than just BH. Jedi are always finding an exploit and some way to get around the few drawbacks that Jedi have.

Second, Inconvenience of Jedi:

Many people feel that Jedi are too great in number. Yet in game most people are grinding jedi.

Many people feel that the Jedi profession has ruined the GCW because of their numbers. Most hard core pvp'er are jedi. So the majority disagree.

Many people feel that because of their numbers, Jedi are too powerful. This could be said with any number of professions, especially bh's.

Many people feel that Jedi are an alpha class and do not have a place in a game with 32 other professions unless their power is greatly reduced in order to maintain a balance for ALL professions. Take out jedi, bh's would be the new alpha class. They are almost in total balance, just most noobs dont know how to fight.

In general, a LOT of people feel that Jedi have ruined this game. There really is just too many of them. A lot of people don't think it's fair that just because they do not want to be a Jedi, they seem to be punished for it. Many Jedi like to try to point the finger and say these people are just jealous of their power when in actuality... that power is grossly overpowered and should be toned down due to the vast number of Jedi. If Jedi were few, then I agree to their need for great power. But when a server of 1500 subscribers has 750 or more Jedi on it... there is a problem.

Message Edited by ShaikeRamjet on 07-23-2005 03:49 PM

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so what about the bounty hunter exploits ?

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Bh's are no angles... They swim in water to avoid losing to their mark, they use line of sight to give attack advantages, They do plenty wrong. time to get off your high horse and quit crying. Better yet, go to mommy because she's the only one who cares.

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Hunter19 wrote:

Well first off I can say since the CU I have been grouping with a lot of jedi and I have yet to see this super fast grinding exploit in action, maybe the people I know have yet to find it. All they did was grind out the first boxes of all skill like LS 1111 healer 1111 powers 1111 you get the point then they would have enough to respec a full master with one respec.

If and that's a big if, a jedi stayed at like very low level, say only novice ls with no skills, he would have a heck of a time grinding, he would have no area attack and very little force. Not saying it's not possibe to do just real hard, and yes he could go from novice LS to full temp jedi, but faster, Don't see how.

There is no cap on jedi XP that I know of so some stay low and skip that old sweet spot that BH's liked to kill jedi, then would go to near full temp. I was a BH but gave it up because I needed a change of pace for a bit.

Not saying there is not an exploit, just saying sure never seen one and been around a lot of jedi.

Also how is that respecing that the jedi did an exploit, it was the same XP as if the grinded it?

Message Edited by Hunter19 on 07-23-2005 04:20 PM

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Mallize wrote:

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DJ100 wrote:

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rob0t wrote:

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CPA wrote:

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Jedi have used the exploit of attacking while cloaked. BH's can initiate attack from under cover - Jedi cannot start combat with a BH, ever, unless they have been attacked. This is an in-game mechanic, not an exploit. Try again. Not an exploit to be cloaked and attack, which will break cloak. It is actually much more of an advantage to attack from under cover.

Jedi have used an exploit that allowed them to take advantage of a broken TEF system allowing them to run inside house while in combat with the BH. BH's have run from me, usually to come back with one or two other BHs. Once again, not an exploit. Not if they run into a house, which is what 2 did.

Jedi have exploited the Respec in order to train a bunch of low level boxes so that they could just respec 12 hours later to the high level boxes in order to circumvent the higher XP requirements. ROFL - check out the Jedi forums for the hilarious respec BH tells. Wow, you suck at this. Respec BH's grinded out another profession and respeced the points to BH. Jedi learned novice boxes (without having to grind for them) and saved them up until they were full temp. I believe you can respec from a Master Entertainer, Master Image Designer, Master Musician, into an MBH/MRifles. Can't respec to a Jedi.

Jedi have used the LOS exploit on the Rryyat Trails in order to avoid combat from BH. BH's do the same thing, even seen BH attack in pairs and abandon the fight when one dies by going to the bridge. And we're completely ignoring the fact that you were GRINDING ON KASHYYYK, n00b. GASP! I got XP on a planet. THE HORROR. My character's name is Kamaz, find anyone on these forums calling me an exploiter, n00b.

Second, Inconvenience of Jedi:

Many people feel that Jedi are too great in number. BH's are way too rare, huh? BH's aren't supposed to be rare. Jedi are. I have actually seen fewer BHs in the movies than Jedi. Jango, Boba, and the ones on Vader's Destroyer. Far more Jedi.

Many people feel that because of their numbers, Jedi are too powerful. Until pub-20, it was the BHs that were attacking Jedi in gangs, not the other way around. And there's a problem with that? That's the way it *should* be. Yeah, 5 on 1 surprise attacks are the way it *should* be. Any BH worth his template can put up one hell of a fight for any Jedi. Know your enemy, know your equipment, know your terrain. Don't try to make the other guy weaker before the fight begins by crying Exploit.

Many people feel that Jedi are an alpha class and do not have a place in a game with 32 other professions unless their power is greatly reduced in order to maintain a balance for ALL professions. Many players have their parents pay their subscription for them, so why should their opinions matter? OK, that was just to be mean, /blush. Seriously though, you complaining about the Jedi from a BH point of view is just as selfish. Most players that have their parents pay for their subscriptions are the "I have nothing better to do than grind out jedi" kids. Not I, paid the whole 18 months myself. Guess I'm due a fireplace soon.

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QFE

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I'm so glad these were addressed... I really didn't feel like explaining that he BH 'exploits' were working as intended.

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CPA wrote:
Are you guys irretrievably stupid or what?

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Mallize wrote:

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DJ100 wrote:

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rob0t wrote:

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CPA wrote:

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Jedi have used the exploit of attacking while cloaked. BH's can initiate attack from under cover - Jedi cannot start combat with a BH, ever, unless they have been attacked. This is an in-game mechanic, not an exploit. Try again. Not an exploit to be cloaked and attack, which will break cloak. It is actually much more of an advantage to attack from under cover.

Jedi have used an exploit that allowed them to take advantage of a broken TEF system allowing them to run inside house while in combat with the BH. BH's have run from me, usually to come back with one or two other BHs. Once again, not an exploit. Not if they run into a house, which is what 2 did.

Jedi have exploited the Respec in order to train a bunch of low level boxes so that they could just respec 12 hours later to the high level boxes in order to circumvent the higher XP requirements. ROFL - check out the Jedi forums for the hilarious respec BH tells. Wow, you suck at this. Respec BH's grinded out another profession and respeced the points to BH. Jedi learned novice boxes (without having to grind for them) and saved them up until they were full temp. I believe you can respec from a Master Entertainer, Master Image Designer, Master Musician, into an MBH/MRifles. Can't respec to a Jedi.

Jedi have used the LOS exploit on the Rryyat Trails in order to avoid combat from BH. BH's do the same thing, even seen BH attack in pairs and abandon the fight when one dies by going to the bridge. And we're completely ignoring the fact that you were GRINDING ON KASHYYYK, n00b. GASP! I got XP on a planet. THE HORROR. My character's name is Kamaz, find anyone on these forums calling me an exploiter, n00b.

Second, Inconvenience of Jedi:

Many people feel that Jedi are too great in number. BH's are way too rare, huh? BH's aren't supposed to be rare. Jedi are. I have actually seen fewer BHs in the movies than Jedi. Jango, Boba, and the ones on Vader's Destroyer. Far more Jedi.

Many people feel that because of their numbers, Jedi are too powerful. Until pub-20, it was the BHs that were attacking Jedi in gangs, not the other way around. And there's a problem with that? That's the way it *should* be. Yeah, 5 on 1 surprise attacks are the way it *should* be. Any BH worth his template can put up one hell of a fight for any Jedi. Know your enemy, know your equipment, know your terrain. Don't try to make the other guy weaker before the fight begins by crying Exploit.

Many people feel that Jedi are an alpha class and do not have a place in a game with 32 other professions unless their power is greatly reduced in order to maintain a balance for ALL professions. Many players have their parents pay their subscription for them, so why should their opinions matter? OK, that was just to be mean, /blush. Seriously though, you complaining about the Jedi from a BH point of view is just as selfish. Most players that have their parents pay for their subscriptions are the "I have nothing better to do than grind out jedi" kids. Not I, paid the whole 18 months myself. Guess I'm due a fireplace soon.

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There you go.

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QFE

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I'm so glad these were addressed... I really didn't feel like explaining that he BH 'exploits' were working as intended.

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Let's see....

First, The Exploits:

I know there are more... but you get the point. There is plenty of reason for people to complain and "whine" about Jedi. A lot of the exploits affected more than just BH. Jedi are always finding an exploit and some way to get around the few drawbacks that Jedi have.

Second, Inconvenience of Jedi:

In general, a LOT of people feel that Jedi have ruined this game. There really is just too many of them. A lot of people don't think it's fair that just because they do not want to be a Jedi, they seem to be punished for it. Many Jedi like to try to point the finger and say these people are just jealous of their power when in actuality... that power is grossly overpowered and should be toned down due to the vast number of Jedi. If Jedi were few, then I agree to their need for great power. But when a server of 1500 subscribers has 750 or more Jedi on it... there is a problem.

Message Edited by ShaikeRamjet on 07-23-2005 03:49 PM

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ShaikeRamjet wrote:

Let's see....

First, The Exploits:

Jedi have used an exploit to mess up BH droids by logging off and then back on.

Jedi have used exploits to over power their sabers by stack crystals and pearls... not once but twice now.

Jedi have used an exploit using the /duel command in order to see if a BH has thier mission.

Jedi have used the exploit of attacking while cloaked.

Jedi have used an exploit that allowed them to take advantage of a broken TEF system allowing them to run inside house while in combat with the BH.

Jedi have used the exploit of using bugged battlefields to avoid combat with BH.

Jedi have used the exploit of /offerRide and /acceptRide from 32m away in order to escape combat.

Jedi have used an exploit of using 2 attacks simultaneously in order to hit twice in a single action.

Jedi have exploited the Respec in order to train a bunch of low level boxes so that they could just respec 12 hours later to the high level boxes in order to circumvent the higher XP requirements.

Jedi have used the LOS exploit on the Rryyat Trails in order to avoid combat from BH.

Jedi have used an exploit allowing them to DB themselves in order to not lose XP from a BH.

I know there are more... but you get the point. There is plenty of reason for people to complain and "whine" about Jedi. A lot of the exploits affected more than just BH. Jedi are always finding an exploit and some way to get around the few drawbacks that Jedi have.

Second, Inconvenience of Jedi:

Many people feel that Jedi are too great in number.

Many people feel that the Jedi profession has ruined the GCW because of their numbers.

Many people feel that because of their numbers, Jedi are too powerful.

Many people feel that Jedi are an alpha class and do not have a place in a game with 32 other professions unless their power is greatly reduced in order to maintain a balance for ALL professions.

In general, a LOT of people feel that Jedi have ruined this game. There really is just too many of them. A lot of people don't think it's fair that just because they do not want to be a Jedi, they seem to be punished for it. Many Jedi like to try to point the finger and say these people are just jealous of their power when in actuality... that power is grossly overpowered and should be toned down due to the vast number of Jedi. If Jedi were few, then I agree to their need for great power. But when a server of 1500 subscribers has 750 or more Jedi on it... there is a problem.

Message Edited by ShaikeRamjet on 07-23-2005 03:49 PM

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so what about the bounty hunter exploits ?

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CPA wrote:
Are you guys irretrievably stupid or what?

Try read it again, and then after you sure you understand the words, try understand the meaning of what is written.

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Mallize wrote:

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DJ100 wrote:

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rob0t wrote:

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CPA wrote:

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Jedi have used the exploit of attacking while cloaked. BH's can initiate attack from under cover - Jedi cannot start combat with a BH, ever, unless they have been attacked. This is an in-game mechanic, not an exploit. Try again. Not an exploit to be cloaked and attack, which will break cloak. It is actually much more of an advantage to attack from under cover.

Jedi have used an exploit that allowed them to take advantage of a broken TEF system allowing them to run inside house while in combat with the BH. BH's have run from me, usually to come back with one or two other BHs. Once again, not an exploit. Not if they run into a house, which is what 2 did.

Jedi have exploited the Respec in order to train a bunch of low level boxes so that they could just respec 12 hours later to the high level boxes in order to circumvent the higher XP requirements. ROFL - check out the Jedi forums for the hilarious respec BH tells. Wow, you suck at this. Respec BH's grinded out another profession and respeced the points to BH. Jedi learned novice boxes (without having to grind for them) and saved them up until they were full temp. I believe you can respec from a Master Entertainer, Master Image Designer, Master Musician, into an MBH/MRifles. Can't respec to a Jedi.

Jedi have used the LOS exploit on the Rryyat Trails in order to avoid combat from BH. BH's do the same thing, even seen BH attack in pairs and abandon the fight when one dies by going to the bridge. And we're completely ignoring the fact that you were GRINDING ON KASHYYYK, n00b. GASP! I got XP on a planet. THE HORROR. My character's name is Kamaz, find anyone on these forums calling me an exploiter, n00b.

Second, Inconvenience of Jedi:

Many people feel that Jedi are too great in number. BH's are way too rare, huh? BH's aren't supposed to be rare. Jedi are. I have actually seen fewer BHs in the movies than Jedi. Jango, Boba, and the ones on Vader's Destroyer. Far more Jedi.

Many people feel that because of their numbers, Jedi are too powerful. Until pub-20, it was the BHs that were attacking Jedi in gangs, not the other way around. And there's a problem with that? That's the way it *should* be. Yeah, 5 on 1 surprise attacks are the way it *should* be. Any BH worth his template can put up one hell of a fight for any Jedi. Know your enemy, know your equipment, know your terrain. Don't try to make the other guy weaker before the fight begins by crying Exploit.

Many people feel that Jedi are an alpha class and do not have a place in a game with 32 other professions unless their power is greatly reduced in order to maintain a balance for ALL professions. Many players have their parents pay their subscription for them, so why should their opinions matter? OK, that was just to be mean, /blush. Seriously though, you complaining about the Jedi from a BH point of view is just as selfish. Most players that have their parents pay for their subscriptions are the "I have nothing better to do than grind out jedi" kids. Not I, paid the whole 18 months myself. Guess I'm due a fireplace soon.

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There you go.

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QFE

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I'm so glad these were addressed... I really didn't feel like explaining that he BH 'exploits' were working as intended.

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sememon wrote:

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ShaikeRamjet wrote:

Wow... BH can slice weapons? And how does /duel keep a Jedi from attacking? BH attacking first is not an exploit, it is by design. Jedi attacking while still cloaked is an exploit. People respecing to Master BH wasn't an exploit. Jedi using the respec to grind to a full template was without grinding the higher XP, was.

Most Jedi have BH as their alts, making the increase in BH even more pronounced. There was a GCW before there was Jedi in this game. And I'm not going to respond to the thing about parents paying for their children's subscriptions since I am neither a child or a parent.

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There was a popular exploit that many BH's use to use just prior to the CU. if a BH used /duel and their mark, the jedi was unable to attack back unless they did /duel to. many BH's used this to kill jedi without the jedi being able to attack back.

Many jedi use to grind low level boxes and respec them to higher ones. many non jedi use to grind low level boxes and respec them to higher ones too. this was NOT just jedi. the whole community did it, and its not an exploit.

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CPA wrote:

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ShaikeRamjet wrote:

Second, Inconvenience of Jedi:

Many people feel that Jedi are too great in number. BH's are way too rare, huh? BH's aren't supposed to be rare. Jedi are. I have actually seen fewer BHs in the movies than Jedi. Jango, Boba, and the ones on Vader's Destroyer. Far more Jedi. But were not really overpowered nor really considered an "alpha class". Plus doesn't this statement make sense during a time when Jedi are nearly extinct? Although you didn't see many BHin the movies (only the movies after episode 3 should be relevant), it should be implied that there are more BH in the galaxy, because you also don't see many chef,creature handlers, rangers, etc.....but its all implied.

Many people feel that because of their numbers, Jedi are too powerful. Until pub-20, it was the BHs that were attacking Jedi in gangs, not the other way around. And there's a problem with that? That's the way it *should* be. Yeah, 5 on 1 surprise attacks are the way it *should* be. Any BH worth his template can put up one hell of a fight for any Jedi. Know your enemy, know your equipment, know your terrain. Don't try to make the other guy weaker before the fight begins by crying Exploit. Well, it doesn't matter anymore does it? It's 1v1 now....I think the original poster was talking about the GCW.

Many people feel that the Jedi profession has ruined the GCW because of their numbers. May be problematic, but there would be no GCW without Jedi (ie they started it). Your statement is highly arguable that is a whole new debate and is a topic/thread of its own, LOL.

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ehh, I don't really know what this thread is trying to achieve other than the point of complaining about jedi, which IMO is an utterly futile effort. I'm a BH so I feel you guys on the subject, but lets face it, Jedi are here to stay, we just have to learn to adapt, you know, darwin shat.

Plus, if the other professions feel like it's jedi are taking all the spotlight, maybe we'll all just play jedi and watch the downfall of the whole system withno main crafters, etc. Then SOE will change the title to "Star Wars episode 4.5:Vaderdidn't do a really good job and now the galaxy is overpopulated with immature 12 year old jedi" (title pending)LOL/joke

Message Edited by Blair_SoulEdge on 07-25-2005 07:20 AM

You know what , i started to read this thread getting more and more depressed by the tunnel vision showed by both sides.

Then i thought "Ballz to this", i have never exploited/cheated and thats all that metters. If this game becomes unplayable because of useless feckers that cant compete on even terms ill just leave it (i wont like it tho) and move on.

MOHAA went the same way, you couldnt be "Good" at it without someone accusing you of cheating. So to EVERYONE who has everyexploited i will say this, you are ruining the game that you play for yourself and others and ballz to the lot of you.

I would also add that it is the dev's and csr's responsabilty to handle cheaters and it may be more productive to report cheaters WITH PROOF as you find them rather than nail the whole player base of a single proffession to the wall.