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Thread: The Reason Why People Whine About Jedi...
I wasn't saying that all jedi use them. In all actuality, I've only seen one jedi use it. Then he started mouthing me. Which is ridiculous in itself.
Dlek_Krego wrote:
MadAdder3 wrote:
Here's the thing to keep in mind -
1. Exploits are done by both sides.
2. A minority of Jedi / BH knowingly use these exploits.
I really hate that both sides take a massive amount of heat because a few idiots felt like exploiting.
Very tru man... Very true.
But what really bothers me, is that a few Jedi get caught doing an exploit, and it's an automatic "jedi exploit because ALL jedi exploit!" thing, yet when BH's get caught doing it, it's fought toogrinding on Kash, then I would not have had to use the LOS bug." or "He should have just prepared or run when he saw me slap that stormtooper."
ShaikeRamjet wrote:
Where is this list of BH exploits that you are talking about?
As was posted...
Dlek_Krego wrote:
CPA wrote:
ShaikeRamjet wrote:
Let's see....
First, The Exploits:
Jedi have used exploits to over power their sabers by stack crystals and pearls... not once but twice now. BH's double-slicing weapons. Jedi have used an exploit using the /duel command in order to see if a BH has thier mission. BH's using /duel to keep a Jedi from attacking. Jedi have used the exploit of attacking while cloaked. BH's can initiate attack from under cover - Jedi cannot start combat with a BH, ever, unless they have been attacked. Jedi have used an exploit that allowed them to take advantage of a broken TEF system allowing them to run inside house while in combat with the BH. BH's have run from me, usually to come back with one or two other BHs. Jedi have used an exploit of using 2 attacks simultaneously in order to hit twice in a single action. Jedi have exploited the Respec in order to train a bunch of low level boxes so that they could just respec 12 hours later to the high level boxes in order to circumvent the higher XP requirements. ROFL - check out the Jedi forums for the hilarious respec BH tells. Jedi have used the LOS exploit on the Rryyat Trails in order to avoid combat from BH. BH's do the same thing, even seen BH attack in pairs and abandon the fight when one dies by going to the bridge. I know there are more... but you get the point. There is plenty of reason for people to complain and "whine" about Jedi. A lot of the exploits affected more than just BH. Jedi are always finding an exploit and some way to get around the few drawbacks that Jedi have.
Second, Inconvenience of Jedi:
Many people feel that Jedi are too great in number. BH's are way too rare, huh? Many people feel that the Jedi profession has ruined the GCW because of their numbers. May be problematic, but there would be no GCW without Jedi (ie they started it). Many people feel that because of their numbers, Jedi are too powerful. Until pub-20, it was the BHs that were attacking Jedi in gangs, not the other way around. Many people feel that Jedi are an alpha class and do not have a place in a game with 32 other professions unless their power is greatly reduced in order to maintain a balance for ALL professions. Many players have their parents pay their subscription for them, so why should their opinions matter? OK, that was just to be mean, /blush. Seriously though, you complaining about the Jedi from a BH point of view is just as selfish.
In general, a LOT of people feel that Jedi have ruined this game. There really is just too many of them. A lot of people don't think it's fair that just because they do not want to be a Jedi, they seem to be punished for it. Many Jedi like to try to point the finger and say these people are just jealous of their power when in actuality... that power is grossly overpowered and should be toned down due to the vast number of Jedi. If Jedi were few, then I agree to their need for great power. But when a server of 1500 subscribers has 750 or more Jedi on it... there is a problem.
Message Edited by ShaikeRamjet on 07-23-2005 03:49 PM
Don't foret that little thing about slapping Stormie NPC's to get incapped so they can stand up and use LD as that first strike.
Oh yeah, I forgot. BH's don't exploit...they just use "good tactics."
Dlek_Krego wrote:
where is your great advice of wisdom telling the original poster accusing Jedi of exploiting respec about how respec was/is temporary, and it's not about how a Jedi respec'ed but how he uses the skills?
I'm really confused by what you're saying. Are you accusing me off agreeing/not agreeing with the original poster? If you are, why? It's a forum
as for the exploit allowing Jedi currently ot master faster than normal, I would assume this is in regards to the AFK grind on the Ryatt trail?
No, that's just plain poor game design. We're not allowed to talk about actual exploits, remember?
rob0t wrote:
I wasn't saying that all jedi use them. In all actuality, I've only seen one jedi use it. Then he started mouthing me. Which is ridiculous in itself.
Dlek_Krego wrote:
MadAdder3 wrote:
Here's the thing to keep in mind -1. Exploits are done by both sides.2. A minority of Jedi / BH knowingly use these exploits.I really hate that both sides take a massive amount of heat because a few idiots felt like exploiting.
Very tru man... Very true.
But what really bothers me, is that a few Jedi get caught doing an exploit, and it's an automatic "jedi exploit because ALL jedi exploit!" thing, yet when BH's get caught doing it, it's fought toogrinding on Kash, then I would not have had to use the LOS bug." or "He should have just prepared or run when he saw me slap that stormtooper."
And that post I made was not in reference to the discussion I was having with you, it was in regards to the views I see most often when it comes to any type of exploit.
If A jedi gets cought using a bug (sometimes a bug that is used by some bad apples in EVERY other combat profession, including BH), to the BH, it becomes a "Jedi Exploit" and is made to sound as though it was invent by Jedi and ONLY abused by not just a few bad apple Jedi, but ALL Jedi.
But whenever there is something pointing to a bad apple in the BH profession doing the same exploit, it is followed by alot of escuses...
"Jedi are doing it, so I have to do it too.."
"Jedi made me do it...."
"I was just doing it to test if it is still there."
"Why not? We're not supposed to be honorable anyway."
"The BH wasn't exploiting, he was using good tactics."
Regardless of the reason for exploiting, there are bad apples in ALL professions who do it... and therefore it doesn't all have to come down to "A Jedi exploited, so ALL jedi are exploiters!" which is what the original post of this thread implies.
Message Edited by Dlek_Krego on 07-23-2005 04:08 PM
rob0t wrote:
CPA wrote:
Jedi have used the exploit of attacking while cloaked. BH's can initiate attack from under cover - Jedi cannot start combat with a BH, ever, unless they have been attacked. This is an in-game mechanic, not an exploit. Try again.
Jedi have used an exploit that allowed them to take advantage of a broken TEF system allowing them to run inside house while in combat with the BH. BH's have run from me, usually to come back with one or two other BHs. Once again, not an exploit.
Jedi have exploited the Respec in order to train a bunch of low level boxes so that they could just respec 12 hours later to the high level boxes in order to circumvent the higher XP requirements. ROFL - check out the Jedi forums for the hilarious respec BH tells. Wow, you suck at this. Respec BH's grinded out another profession and respeced the points to BH. Jedi learned novice boxes (without having to grind for them) and saved them up until they were full temp.
Jedi have used the LOS exploit on the Rryyat Trails in order to avoid combat from BH. BH's do the same thing, even seen BH attack in pairs and abandon the fight when one dies by going to the bridge. And we're completely ignoring the fact that you were GRINDING ON KASHYYYK, n00b.
Second, Inconvenience of Jedi:
Many people feel that Jedi are too great in number. BH's are way too rare, huh? BH's aren't supposed to be rare. Jedi are.
Many people feel that because of their numbers, Jedi are too powerful. Until pub-20, it was the BHs that were attacking Jedi in gangs, not the other way around. And there's a problem with that? That's the way it *should* be.
Many people feel that Jedi are an alpha class and do not have a place in a game with 32 other professions unless their power is greatly reduced in order to maintain a balance for ALL professions. Many players have their parents pay their subscription for them, so why should their opinions matter? OK, that was just to be mean, /blush. Seriously though, you complaining about the Jedi from a BH point of view is just as selfish. Most players that have their parents pay for their subscriptions are the "I have nothing better to do than grind out jedi" kids.
There you go.
QFE
ShaikeRamjet wrote: Another thing that a lot of Jedi don't realize or care about is how Jedi have affected the player economy. A lot of crafters have quit crafting because so many people migrated to Jedi.
Sorry, mate... Anti Decay Kits, Endless Harvester Power deeds, and Quest reward weapons/ships/armor have done FAR more damage to the economy than Jedi could ever do...
Once a person gets a quest reward weapon (which is usually better than any crafted weapon), and sets an ADK on it, that person will never need another weapon again. If they change professions, they just get another quest weapon to their new prof, and ADK it again. Because their favorite weapons of choice will never decay again, they will never have to buy another. Harvesters need power, so to run a havester you either have to buy the power resources or use a power harvester to do it. Yes, I know that the Arhitects can use the endless power ded, but on my alt, I make more by harvesting my own power resources, using what I need on my harvestors, and selling the surplus. But power resources aren't really needed much now.
And the majority of the ships that are flying now are quest reward ships. They are more interesting and carry much more mass (ARC and Heavy X-Wing just for example) than crafted ships, and so they are putting Shipwrights in a bind. All they can sell are the componants, but as soon as they give a ADK for ships as a reward, that will be gone too.
What SHOULD happen, is that when a quest is complete, your reward is not the DEED, weapon, or armor itself, but the schematics for them. ANd like the AV-21, you would have to find a certified crafter to turn those scems into your reward. Give them purpose again.
ShaikeRamjet wrote:
I'm still trying to figure out how we have "just as many" exploits? Also, since when could a BH slice weapons... or even double slice for that matter?
already stated, but you're just either too dense, or too wrapped up in your own narrow-minded point of view to acknowledge it. No matter how many times it's spelled out for you, you still won't see it.
Actually... all I have seen is like 3 suggestions to what BH has supposedly exploited... and the slicing weapons was one of them, which happens to be a Smuggler skill. So... that leaves 2 exploits that BH supposedly do all of the time. Compare that to the long list I gave... you tell me which profession has the most exploiters and "1337 d00ds" in it.
Jedi can use questionable tactics such as attacking while still cloaked... and I'm told that I suck as a BH and I need to find tactics against it... by Jedi none the less.
Jedi can exploit their sabers to overload them with extra perals and crystals until they are doing 2k damage without the use of armorbreak or with the BH being knocked down... and I'm told that I need to form tactics against this... by Jedi none the less.
I'm tired of the excuses. Jedi always have a rebuttle(no matter how flawed) as to why they exploit or what an exploit is. Apparently it isn't an exploit unless there is a fix for it on TC.
Jedi walk around with an elitist attitude and think everyone is whining about them because they are "jealous"yet nearly every other profession in the game complains about the Jedi. That should be telling you guys something. I can understand if the profession is hated by 1 or 2 other professions and you guys say that it's just because of jealousy... but when nearly 32 other professions have a problem with Jedi... then there is most definitely a problem...
To use your quote, "but you're just either too dense, or too wrapped up in your own narrow-minded point of view to acknowledge it. No matter how many times it's spelled out for you, you still won't see it. "
Message Edited by ShaikeRamjet on 07-23-2005 07:47 PM
Dlek_Krego wrote:Sorry, mate... Anti Decay Kits, Endless Harvester Power deeds, and Quest reward weapons/ships/armor have done FAR more damage to the economy than Jedi could ever do...
Not true at all. Remember the holo-grind which completely ruined the economy.
-BihKehHe
DJ100 wrote:
rob0t wrote:
CPA wrote:
Jedi have used the exploit of attacking while cloaked. BH's can initiate attack from under cover - Jedi cannot start combat with a BH, ever, unless they have been attacked. This is an in-game mechanic, not an exploit. Try again. Jedi have used an exploit that allowed them to take advantage of a broken TEF system allowing them to run inside house while in combat with the BH. BH's have run from me, usually to come back with one or two other BHs. Once again, not an exploit. Jedi have exploited the Respec in order to train a bunch of low level boxes so that they could just respec 12 hours later to the high level boxes in order to circumvent the higher XP requirements. ROFL - check out the Jedi forums for the hilarious respec BH tells. Wow, you suck at this. Respec BH's grinded out another profession and respeced the points to BH. Jedi learned novice boxes (without having to grind for them) and saved them up until they were full temp. Jedi have used the LOS exploit on the Rryyat Trails in order to avoid combat from BH. BH's do the same thing, even seen BH attack in pairs and abandon the fight when one dies by going to the bridge. And we're completely ignoring the fact that you were GRINDING ON KASHYYYK, n00b. Second, Inconvenience of Jedi:
Many people feel that Jedi are too great in number. BH's are way too rare, huh? BH's aren't supposed to be rare. Jedi are. Many people feel that because of their numbers, Jedi are too powerful. Until pub-20, it was the BHs that were attacking Jedi in gangs, not the other way around. And there's a problem with that? That's the way it *should* be. Many people feel that Jedi are an alpha class and do not have a place in a game with 32 other professions unless their power is greatly reduced in order to maintain a balance for ALL professions. Many players have their parents pay their subscription for them, so why should their opinions matter? OK, that was just to be mean, /blush. Seriously though, you complaining about the Jedi from a BH point of view is just as selfish. Most players that have their parents pay for their subscriptions are the "I have nothing better to do than grind out jedi" kids.
There you go.
QFE
I'm so glad these were addressed... I really didn't feel like explaining that he BH 'exploits' were working as intended.
32 other professions against jedi? First off it would be like 30 or something but I think you are just getting mad now hehe, the thing about 1337 doods or whatever gave you away. You just don't like jedi and want to scream, it's ok yell a little.