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pussycat wrote:

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Dallow wrote:

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pussycat wrote:

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Dallow wrote:

Pussycat, please stop. You're whole argument is flawed. WE, BH, did not force PvP on anyone. SOE created a game mechanic in which jedi was a PvP profession. YOU knew you were going to be hunted. To say that WE, BH, forced PvP is just rediculous. You consented when you unlocked your jedi. End of story. No debate.

It's over now. Go back to the Jedi forums.

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No, the game mechanics allowed for forced pvp, but nobody in the bounty hunting profession was FORCED to use this mechanism... yet most of you chose to use it in such a way that it meant forced pvp for many other players who couldn't have cared less for pvp.

Jedi was not a "PVP profession", it had a game mechanic attached to it that allowed those int he profession to be subjected to forced pvp.

I've said this a zillion times and I'll say it again... in TC Prime, bounty hunters simply didn't hunt Jedi unless the Jedi consented. As a result, the TC community was a friendly and welcoming environment, without the animosity that plagued live servers... just because the game mechanics allow you to resort to forced pvp doesn't mean that you were FORCED to use that game mechanism.

Now, the choice has been completely removed from bounty hunters...

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I cannot argue with someone who makes up the rules of the game. Rules were get vis, get on the terms, get hunted. Whether you agreed with them or not, those were the rules. But to come here and say BH's should've asked permission is just silly. We were given first strike.

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No, the rules were that certain Jedi could be put on the terminals if they gained visibility... but NO BOUNTY HUNTER WAS EVER FORCED TO TAKE THESE MISSIONS!

I've pointed out the example of TC-Prime on numerous occasions; bounty hunters actually respected the wishes of Jedi who did not want to be hunted... the game mechanics were still there, as in any live server... but they didn't resort to forced pvp, or any kind of sanctioned griefing.

You see now what happens when there are game mechanisms that allow for forced pvp? Eventually there are enough complaints from people who don't like pvp, and the player bounties end up being removed... that's what happens when you try to impose a game style on players who don't care for it.

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ChefRubio wrote:

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pussycat wrote:


Yes, there was forced pvp in the GCW, and there was forced pvp with Jedi missions. And in the case of the BH, it's not like anybody would force them to take these missions... they chose to impose forced pvp onto others out of their own free will.

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Erm, what planet are you from that there was forced pvp with the GCW ever?

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Heh heh, in-game or IRL?

Yes, I was there to see the forced pvp in the GCW as well, don't tell me that it didn't exist because I have been playing since launch.

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Dallow wrote:

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pussycat wrote:

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Dallow wrote:

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pussycat wrote:

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Dallow wrote:

Pussycat, please stop. You're whole argument is flawed. WE, BH, did not force PvP on anyone. SOE created a game mechanic in which jedi was a PvP profession. YOU knew you were going to be hunted. To say that WE, BH, forced PvP is just rediculous. You consented when you unlocked your jedi. End of story. No debate.

It's over now. Go back to the Jedi forums.

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No, the game mechanics allowed for forced pvp, but nobody in the bounty hunting profession was FORCED to use this mechanism... yet most of you chose to use it in such a way that it meant forced pvp for many other players who couldn't have cared less for pvp.

Jedi was not a "PVP profession", it had a game mechanic attached to it that allowed those int he profession to be subjected to forced pvp.

I've said this a zillion times and I'll say it again... in TC Prime, bounty hunters simply didn't hunt Jedi unless the Jedi consented. As a result, the TC community was a friendly and welcoming environment, without the animosity that plagued live servers... just because the game mechanics allow you to resort to forced pvp doesn't mean that you were FORCED to use that game mechanism.

Now, the choice has been completely removed from bounty hunters...

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I cannot argue with someone who makes up the rules of the game. Rules were get vis, get on the terms, get hunted. Whether you agreed with them or not, those were the rules. But to come here and say BH's should've asked permission is just silly. We were given first strike.

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No, the rules were that certain Jedi could be put on the terminals if they gained visibility... but NO BOUNTY HUNTER WAS EVER FORCED TO TAKE THESE MISSIONS!

I've pointed out the example of TC-Prime on numerous occasions; bounty hunters actually respected the wishes of Jedi who did not want to be hunted... the game mechanics were still there, as in any live server... but they didn't resort to forced pvp, or any kind of sanctioned griefing.

You see now what happens when there are game mechanisms that allow for forced pvp? Eventually there are enough complaints from people who don't like pvp, and the player bounties end up being removed... that's what happens when you try to impose a game style on players who don't care for it.

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You are right, NO BOUNTY HUNTER WAS EVER FORCED TO TAKE THESE MISSIONS. We took them because they were our content and offered a challenge. I will not respond to another post of yours. It's pointless.

As I've said at least 3 times now (and was the topic of this thread), go back to the Jedi forums. BH and Jedi have nothing to do with each other anymore. I don't want to see another post about how you are dancing with glee at the removal of BH missions. If you feel the need to post that, go to the Jedi forums where it belongs.

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I was a MBH, too, and I never once felt the need to take Jedi missions... don't say that they were our only content as BH, because it wasn't the only option and some of us had a good time as MBHs without ever attacking a single Jedi.

BH happens to be my favorite profession after Jedi... I think it's sad that it was largely taken over by griefers but, fortunately, people will no longer be getting BH as a profession simply to grief others... or to engage in forced pvp.

I look forward to being a BH yet again under the new system, I think with the removal of player bounties, it's going to be great.

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pussycat wrote:

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ChefRubio wrote:

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pussycat wrote:


Yes, there was forced pvp in the GCW, and there was forced pvp with Jedi missions. And in the case of the BH, it's not like anybody would force them to take these missions... they chose to impose forced pvp onto others out of their own free will.

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Erm, what planet are you from that there was forced pvp with the GCW ever?

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Heh heh, in-game or IRL?

Yes, I was there to see the forced pvp in the GCW as well, don't tell me that it didn't exist because I have been playing since launch.

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When? I've been actively pvping from launch in the GCW and it was never forced...You always had to choose to go overt. I think I would know a little more about it since you loathe pvp and avoid it at all costs too.

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Ebris wrote:

No such thing...You had to be

A) Overt or Special Forces.

B) Step into a Battle Field

C) You know fully well what you're about to get yourself into.

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There was a time before you had the choices of "on leave", "combatant" or "special forces"... it involved simply being "covert" or "overt", and you could get a faction TEF simply for running a PVE mission... yet have no idea that you were TEF'd. So yeah, that also constituted forced pvp.

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ChefRubio wrote:

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pussycat wrote:

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ChefRubio wrote:

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pussycat wrote:


Yes, there was forced pvp in the GCW, and there was forced pvp with Jedi missions. And in the case of the BH, it's not like anybody would force them to take these missions... they chose to impose forced pvp onto others out of their own free will.

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Erm, what planet are you from that there was forced pvp with the GCW ever?

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Heh heh, in-game or IRL?

Yes, I was there to see the forced pvp in the GCW as well, don't tell me that it didn't exist because I have been playing since launch.

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When? I've been actively pvping from launch in the GCW and it was never forced...You always had to choose to go overt. I think I would know a little more about it since you loathe pvp and avoid it at all costs too.

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Yes, it was forced, when it involved inadvertently getting a faction TEF...

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Cerosis wrote:

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pussycat wrote:

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ChefRubio wrote:

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pussycat wrote:


Well, why did you guys have to force it upon others when some of us didn't want to pvp? Don't complaint now, because it was your use of this game mechanic that led to abuse, which in turn led to it being removed from the game.

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PVP was never forced on you. You never had to get on the terms. I somehow remained off for the first six months of my grind, save one time, and they were much easier to get on then than they are now.

Message Edited by ChefRubio on 11-06-2005 11:21 PM

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Yes, each and every instance of a BH attack constitutes forced pvp unless the Jedi has previously consented... forced pvp means that you don't get to choose the time, place, and circumstances of the pvp. And for the most part, Jedi did not get to choose the time, place, and circumstances of the BH attack. That's why it was forced pvp.

Just because the game mechanic was there, didn't FORCE bounty hunters to use it in a way that resulted in forced pvp.

As I've said before, in Test Center Prime, bounty hunters were decent players, they never hunted Jedi unless the Jedi had previously consented to being hunted.

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Bounty Hunters were given the option to hunt human beings, hunt Jedi to be specific. That was the benefit of being a BH.

The Benefit of Being a jedi is that you had advanced skills more powerfull then others, now i'm not going to get into whether or not jedi were as powerfull as they were supposed to be, but it still comes down to the fact that when you picked jedi, you KNEW that BH could come after you at any given time IF you got on the terminals. If you got on the terminals it is a consequence for the mistake you made, because of the CHOICE YOU MADE. Ergo, not force PvP in any sense of the word. You knew, just like the rest of us, upon becoming jedi that BH would come after you if you got on the terminals. Yet you still chose to be a Jedi. You chose to accept that consequence therefore, you were not forced into PvP in any standard.

Also, technically speaking, any time a BH came after you you could have laid down and died, thus removing the PvP aspect and accepting the experience loss aspect which is another consiquence of your CHOICE to become jedi. Either way you look at it, you were never "forced" into PvP, you made that choice, just like the BH made that choice when they decided to take a JEdi mission.

I'm a Jedi, and a BH, and I enjoy the hunt from both sides. And I kill jedi with my BH too. Why? Because my BH is low down dirty rotten scum that wants the credits your mission pays off. It's a choice on both parties. BH choose to take Jedi's missions, and Jedi choose to be jedi resulting in the missions being taken. It's the risk you accepted and part of being a jedi(which you can also delete if you don't want to PvP) Sorry, but your logic is just messed up, there was NO forced PvP at any time, unless somebody used an exploit to be able to attack you when you arn't attackable, but BH taking your mission is nowhere near forced. You chose that path yourself. Which makes your whining about it hypocritical, and you a hypocrit.

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Again, no, because the simple fact that the game mechanic was there, didn't mean that bounty hunters were forced to take them, and to impose forced pvp onto other players... it's as simple as that, nobody ever forced a BH to take a Jedi mission. When BHs did, in fact, take a Jedi mission, they knew full well that they were going to engage a Jedi in forced pvp, without necessarily having the consent of the Jedi.

To force other players to pvp even though they may not want it is not cool, never mind that the game mechanics would allow it... just like there were a lot of things that you could do in game that felt just short of harrassment under the EULA. Jedi missions involved forced pvp and in many cases came to represent a form of sanctioned griefing.

It's quite clear that there are many players who enjoy the idea of being a Jedi simply for role-playing reasons and without any particular desire to engage in forced pvp... that is exactly how things are going to be in the game starting Nov. 15th.

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pussycat wrote:

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Ebris wrote:

No such thing...You had to be

A) Overt or Special Forces.

B) Step into a Battle Field

C) You know fully well what you're about to get yourself into.

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There was a time before you had the choices of "on leave", "combatant" or "special forces"... it involved simply being "covert" or "overt", and you could get a faction TEF simply for running a PVE mission... yet have no idea that you were TEF'd. So yeah, that also constituted forced pvp.

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WOW you're involved in a war! Does it ever occur to you that you might have to actually stand up and fight for the side you joined? If you dont want to then be neutral! You were never FORCED to pvp. You chose to go rebel. You chose to run faction missions, knowing they would give you the TEF. You exposed yourself to pvp. Like I said before, quit putting the blame on other people and blame yourself for your engagements.

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Ebris wrote:

You got a faction TEF for pissing off the wrong faction.

It's like punching a police officer in the face, and running away.

30 minutes later you run into the same police officer, and expect not to get your ass handed to you with a night stick.

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What is it with you people comparing game mechanics in an MMORPG with real-life law enforcement actions? Are you really so disturbed that you can no longer tell the difference between real-life law enforcement and a *videogame*???? Do you honestly think that being a bounty hunter in an MMORPG puts you even remotely near a real life police officer or police investigator?

It's a videogame... it's *not*law enforcement... they are *different* things, mmkay?

~_~ these are the times where I find myself questioning gods motivation for creating people like Pussycat.

Maybe its dark satire...? Morbid Humor....~_~ Or just the fact that she's mentally handicaped.