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Thread: It's official: Jedi, get off our boards.
ChefRubio wrote:
The analogy was to show crime and punishment. In the game jedi are wanted criminals. The galaxy is too expansive to police, so bounty hunters are hired to take down the more wanted criminals. Being a Jedi means being hunted and therefore consenting pvp. Criminals cant just say no no no dont take me in or shoot at me I dont want to fight and I want to just be allowed to keep commiting crimes! You took the profession, you should deal with the consequenses.
Message Edited by ChefRubio on 11-07-2005 12:05 AM
And how convenient it is to overlook that fact that the BH's themselves might have disregarded laws themselves...
Your analogy is completely and absolutely erroneous, for the simple fact that by your reasoning, then ALL REBELS should have been subjected to forced pvp, since they were technically outlaws at the time.
BH's took a game mechanism that was exclusive to their profession and in many cases, openly abused it, so they should deal with the consequences.
One jedi trolling and one jedi fighting for bh rights...it is kinda funny
pussycat wrote:
ChefRubio wrote:
The analogy was to show crime and punishment. In the game jedi are wanted criminals. The galaxy is too expansive to police, so bounty hunters are hired to take down the more wanted criminals. Being a Jedi means being hunted and therefore consenting pvp. Criminals cant just say no no no dont take me in or shoot at me I dont want to fight and I want to just be allowed to keep commiting crimes! You took the profession, you should deal with the consequenses.
Message Edited by ChefRubio on 11-07-2005 12:05 AM
And how convenient it is to overlook that fact that the BH's themselves might have disregarded laws themselves...
Your analogy is completely and absolutely erroneous, for the simple fact that by your reasoning, then ALL REBELS should have been subjected to forced pvp, since they were technically outlaws at the time.
BH's took a game mechanism that was exclusive to their profession and in many cases, openly abused it, so they should deal with the consequences.
What a great idea! I'm rebel and I would love it if they made that change.
pussycat wrote:
Dallow wrote:
Pussycat, please stop. You're whole argument is flawed. WE, BH, did not force PvP on anyone. SOE created a game mechanic in which jedi was a PvP profession. YOU knew you were going to be hunted. To say that WE, BH, forced PvP is just rediculous. You consented when you unlocked your jedi. End of story. No debate.
It's over now. Go back to the Jedi forums.
No, the game mechanics allowed for forced pvp, but nobody in the bounty hunting profession was FORCED to use this mechanism... yet most of you chose to use it in such a way that it meant forced pvp for many other players who couldn't have cared less for pvp.
Jedi was not a "PVP profession", it had a game mechanic attached to it that allowed those int he profession to be subjected to forced pvp.
I've said this a zillion times and I'll say it again... in TC Prime, bounty hunters simply didn't hunt Jedi unless the Jedi consented. As a result, the TC community was a friendly and welcoming environment, without the animosity that plagued live servers... just because the game mechanics allow you to resort to forced pvp doesn't mean that you were FORCED to use that game mechanism.
Now, the choice has been completely removed from bounty hunters...
I cannot argue with someone who makes up the rules of the game. Rules were get vis, get on the terms, get hunted. Whether you agreed with them or not, those were the rules. But to come here and say BH's should've asked permission is just silly. We were given first strike.
pussycat wrote:
ChefRubio wrote:
pussycat wrote:
ChefRubio wrote:
The analogy was to show crime and punishment. In the game jedi are wanted criminals. The galaxy is too expansive to police, so bounty hunters are hired to take down the more wanted criminals. Being a Jedi means being hunted and therefore consenting pvp. Criminals cant just say no no no dont take me in or shoot at me I dont want to fight and I want to just be allowed to keep commiting crimes! You took the profession, you should deal with the consequenses.
Message Edited by ChefRubio on 11-07-2005 12:05 AM
And how convenient it is to overlook that fact that the BH's themselves might have disregarded laws themselves...
Your analogy is completely and absolutely erroneous, for the simple fact that by your reasoning, then ALL REBELS should have been subjected to forced pvp, since they were technically outlaws at the time.
BH's took a game mechanism that was exclusive to their profession and in many cases, openly abused it, so they should deal with the consequences.
What a great idea! I'm rebel and I would love it if they made that change.
They took forced pvp out of the GCW even before they took it out of the Jedi profession... don't hold your breath waiting for player bounties against anybody...
There was NEVER forced pvp in the GCW, and there never was with player bounties. The only person that "forced" you getting attacked is the willingness of you to go out and do something that would get you on the terminals. It was not the bounty hunter's fault that you took that initiative. Quit trying to blame other people for the PVP you had to encounter.
Message Edited by ChefRubio on 11-07-2005 12:25 AM
Message Edited by Genildor on 11-06-2005 09:27 PM
Dallow wrote:
pussycat wrote:
Dallow wrote:
Pussycat, please stop. You're whole argument is flawed. WE, BH, did not force PvP on anyone. SOE created a game mechanic in which jedi was a PvP profession. YOU knew you were going to be hunted. To say that WE, BH, forced PvP is just rediculous. You consented when you unlocked your jedi. End of story. No debate.
It's over now. Go back to the Jedi forums.
No, the game mechanics allowed for forced pvp, but nobody in the bounty hunting profession was FORCED to use this mechanism... yet most of you chose to use it in such a way that it meant forced pvp for many other players who couldn't have cared less for pvp.
Jedi was not a "PVP profession", it had a game mechanic attached to it that allowed those int he profession to be subjected to forced pvp.
I've said this a zillion times and I'll say it again... in TC Prime, bounty hunters simply didn't hunt Jedi unless the Jedi consented. As a result, the TC community was a friendly and welcoming environment, without the animosity that plagued live servers... just because the game mechanics allow you to resort to forced pvp doesn't mean that you were FORCED to use that game mechanism.
Now, the choice has been completely removed from bounty hunters...
I cannot argue with someone who makes up the rules of the game. Rules were get vis, get on the terms, get hunted. Whether you agreed with them or not, those were the rules. But to come here and say BH's should've asked permission is just silly. We were given first strike.
No, the rules were that certain Jedi could be put on the terminals if they gained visibility... but NO BOUNTY HUNTER WAS EVER FORCED TO TAKE THESE MISSIONS!
I've pointed out the example of TC-Prime on numerous occasions; bounty hunters actually respected the wishes of Jedi who did not want to be hunted... the game mechanics were still there, as in any live server... but they didn't resort to forced pvp, or any kind of sanctioned griefing.
You see now what happens when there are game mechanisms that allow for forced pvp? Eventually there are enough complaints from people who don't like pvp, and the player bounties end up being removed... that's what happens when you try to impose a game style on players who don't care for it.
Ebris wrote:Asking for permission to hunt someone is like giving the head huncho of a major drug ring a 2 day before deciding to come and get him....Doesn't make any sense...stop being so damn retarded.
Again, another player who is trying to compare game mechanics in a MMORPG with real-life law enforcement... two very, very different things.
In TC-Prime, BH's didn't hunt any Jedi who didn't consent to it. The result? A community that was friendly and welcoming, without the kind of animosity that you would see on live servers (and which was also reflected on the boards).
pussycat wrote:
No, the rules were that certain Jedi could be put on the terminals if they gained visibility... but NO BOUNTY HUNTER WAS EVER FORCED TO TAKE THESE MISSIONS!
I've pointed out the example of TC-Prime on numerous occasions; bounty hunters actually respected the wishes of Jedi who did not want to be hunted... the game mechanics were still there, as in any live server... but they didn't resort to forced pvp, or any kind of sanctioned griefing.
You see now what happens when there are game mechanisms that allow for forced pvp? Eventually there are enough complaints from people who don't like pvp, and the player bounties end up being removed... that's what happens when you try to impose a game style on players who don't care for it.
And it was never your fault that you went out and got visibility. It is soley on the bounty hunter's shoulders that your name popped up on the terminal, he/she took it and attacked you. It was never your fault that fully knowing the consequenses of visibilty and still going out and getting it caused a bounty hunter to come for you. It was only the hunter's fault. If you want someone to blame for your "forced" pvp, blame yourself.
ChefRubio wrote:
pussycat wrote:
ChefRubio wrote:
pussycat wrote:
ChefRubio wrote:
The analogy was to show crime and punishment. In the game jedi are wanted criminals. The galaxy is too expansive to police, so bounty hunters are hired to take down the more wanted criminals. Being a Jedi means being hunted and therefore consenting pvp. Criminals cant just say no no no dont take me in or shoot at me I dont want to fight and I want to just be allowed to keep commiting crimes! You took the profession, you should deal with the consequenses.
Message Edited by ChefRubio on 11-07-2005 12:05 AM
And how convenient it is to overlook that fact that the BH's themselves might have disregarded laws themselves...
Your analogy is completely and absolutely erroneous, for the simple fact that by your reasoning, then ALL REBELS should have been subjected to forced pvp, since they were technically outlaws at the time.
BH's took a game mechanism that was exclusive to their profession and in many cases, openly abused it, so they should deal with the consequences.
What a great idea! I'm rebel and I would love it if they made that change.
They took forced pvp out of the GCW even before they took it out of the Jedi profession... don't hold your breath waiting for player bounties against anybody...
There was NEVER forced pvp in the GCW, and there never was with player bounties. The only person that "forced" you getting attacked is the willingness of you to go out and do something that would get you on the terminals. It was not the bounty hunter's fault that you took that initiative. Quit trying to blame other people for the PVP you had to encounter.
Message Edited by ChefRubio on 11-07-2005 12:25 AM
Yes, there was forced pvp in the GCW, and there was forced pvp with Jedi missions. And in the case of the BH, it's not like anybody would force them to take these missions... they chose to impose forced pvp onto others out of their own free will.
pussycat wrote:
Yes, there was forced pvp in the GCW, and there was forced pvp with Jedi missions. And in the case of the BH, it's not like anybody would force them to take these missions... they chose to impose forced pvp onto others out of their own free will.
Erm, what planet are you from that there was forced pvp with the GCW ever?
Genildor wrote:
Alright, as much as i hate getting involved in these conversations, i need to say this. Pussycat, both you and MsNil have made many posts on removing player bounties and are probably the most voiced opinions on what some call the "carebear" side. While i don't agree with your views, i understand them. What i don't understand, however, is that you both seem to think that all these people you all argue with and consider egotistical, arrogant, and griefers aren't players of this game. These players would hate the system you request so badly they'll actually reply to your posts for hours. Just because their views are different doesn't make them wrong. They just want the system the way it is. Well, was.Message Edited by Genildor on 11-06-2005 09:27 PM
That's what's so sad about this... I mean, if you like pvp, then why couldn't you just pvp with those that *wanted* to pvp?? Why did you have to look for ways to impose pvp onto other players who didn't care for it?
It's like saying "Oh look, this is so much fun! You gotta try it! What do you mean no, you don't want to try it? Try it!! I tell you to try it, so try it! Try it, because I don't take no for an answer, this is fun for me, so you gotta try it, now try it!!"