Bounty Hunter Archive

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Dallow wrote:

I think there were three different type of jedi:

1) Those that enjoyed the power and the BH content.

2) Those that enjoyed the power and hated the BH content.

3) Those that enjoyed being a jedi(regardless of power) and hated the BH content.

All three groups knew the rules going in, however groups 2 and 3kicked and cried and came up with this 'forced' PvP argument to rally around. Unfortunately for us, group 1 and group 2, SOE has decided to force the group 3 playstyle on everyone.

I never had a problem with uber leet jedi. I never had a problem losing to a jedi. I got over the whole 'jedi are not suppose to be in this timeline' thing. But, to this day, the ones that whine about 'forced' pvp get under my skin to no end. The only thing worse are the ones that now come on this forum and rejoice the removal of player bounties. Hopefully it will be over soon.

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Welcome to last year.. also known as the "dead horse" thread. Furthermore, in a scant few days, this will be also known as the "obsolete" thread.

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Digitalalchemyzt wrote:

you people are some real idiots who says jedi was not a pvp prof...when you unlocked as in pre cu, you GOT AN EMAIL FROM SOE THAT SPECIFICALLY STATES....okay, for you low brow types..are you ready...okay..are you ready...JEDI IS A PVP PROFESSION IT WAS STATED IN THE HOLOMAIL YOU GOT WHEN YOU UNLOCKED IN PRECU....

now, do my little shchool bus children understand now? thats why people say that.

you got an email stating that it was a pvp prof. fools. you got an email stating it was a pvp prof

sorry guys, theres just some really stupid people on these boards that dont know jack about the jedi prof...

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Incorrect. Only Pre-village Jedi got an email stating that Jedi was "full of dangers". Anyone who unlocked post-CU got ZERO indication in game or email, that it was a PvP profession. Perhaps sir, it is YOU who either need to step onto the bus or learn, FULLY, about our profession.

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Darka-ce wrote:

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Digitalalchemyzt wrote:

you people are some real idiots who says jedi was not a pvp prof...when you unlocked as in pre cu, you GOT AN EMAIL FROM SOE THAT SPECIFICALLY STATES....okay, for you low brow types..are you ready...okay..are you ready...JEDI IS A PVP PROFESSION IT WAS STATED IN THE HOLOMAIL YOU GOT WHEN YOU UNLOCKED IN PRECU....

now, do my little shchool bus children understand now? thats why people say that.

you got an email stating that it was a pvp prof. fools. you got an email stating it was a pvp prof

sorry guys, theres just some really stupid people on these boards that dont know jack about the jedi prof...

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Incorrect. Only Pre-village Jedi got an email stating that Jedi was "full of dangers". Anyone who unlocked post-CU got ZERO indication in game or email, that it was a PvP profession. Perhaps sir, it is YOU who either need to step onto the bus or learn, FULLY, about our profession.

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1. Did the e-mail say it was a pvp profession, or that it was subject to forced pvp? There is a difference between being a profession that can excel at pvp when and if it chooses, and being one which is basically forced to pvp.

2. As has been stated above, not all Jedi got the same gmail.

3. Regardless of what the devs said, or how they phrased their position regarding the Jedi profession, it still remained a forced pvp profession. That the possibility of forced pvp might have been mentioned in advance does not change the fact that it was forced pvp. Any time that you, as a player, do not get to pvp at the time, place, and under circumstances of your choosing, it is a form of forced pvp.

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pussycat wrote:

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scally wrote:

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pussycat wrote:

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atahualpa wrote:

Just give it a rest man. You lost, no more player bounties ever. Deal with it and enjoy the new game or quit.

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QFE...

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Shes Alive

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You can try to demonize a person all you want... in the end, we're all players who shared this experience, that SWG had to offer during the first 2+ years of its original version (meaning pre-NGE). You like demonizing someone because simply for voicing an opinion.... and in the end, it all just goes to show that this Jedi/BH system did in fact serve to create hostility and animosity between players who otherwise would probably have gotten along just great. This is what you do not see, or understand... this is precisely why I'm glad the old system is coming to an end. I saw way too many ruined friendships over this issue on the live servers to think that it could possibly have been a good thing for the player base.

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you dont need me to do that your doing a good job by yourself

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And again, as I said before, this only perfectly illustrates the fact that the player bounty system just seemed to create tension, anger and hostility among the player base. Perhaps the game would have been better off if Jedi had never been introduced, if player bounties had never existed; we'll never know, of course, but at least we can look forward to a "new beginning" of sorts, even if the game dynamics are not all that some would wish for, then at least I'm optimistic that people will be more likely to come together instead of fighting with each other over game mechanics. Those who like pvp will still pvp, and those who don't like constant pvp (or simply no pvp at all) will be able to enjoy the game with their preferred game style.

I don't know if you had a BH alt or why you are so obviously upset at all of this.

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Dallow wrote:

I think there were three different type of jedi:

1) Those that enjoyed the power and the BH content.

2) Those that enjoyed the power and hated the BH content.

3) Those that enjoyed being a jedi (regardless of power) and hated the BH content.

All three groups knew the rules going in, however groups 2 and 3 kicked and cried and came up with this 'forced' PvP argument to rally around. Unfortunately for us, group 1 and group 2, SOE has decided to force the group 3 playstyle on everyone.

I never had a problem with uber leet jedi. I never had a problem losing to a jedi. I got over the whole 'jedi are not suppose to be in this timeline' thing. But, to this day, the ones that whine about 'forced' pvp get under my skin to no end. The only thing worse are the ones that now come on this forum and rejoice the removal of player bounties. Hopefully it will be over soon.

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Forced non PvP on everyone? Hardly. If a Jedi wants PvP, they can declare SpecForce, and I'm sure they can find PvP quite easily. If they want to be hunted, just stay SpecForce and go about your business, someone will hunt you soon. If a bounty hunter wants to hunt Jedi, go SpecForce and go look for SpecForce Jedi. Simple.

The only thing removed is the ability to attack them when they are not prepared for PvP, and the little waypoint saying "target here!" and the payout if you happen to win. And, of course, the flawed system that probably generated more nerf calls, exploits, and developer headaches than everything else in the game combined.

The only way player bounties should ever return is as a completely voluntary signup at the bounty hunter mission terminals for people that enjoy being hunted. No 'put on the terms for doing something profession related,' no 'players taking bounties on other players,' and no 'bounties for getting too much negative faction from NPCs.' It should work, everyone touts how much they enjoy being hunted, or how many Jedi they know that will miss being hunted. There should be plenty of signups for prey if it's so fun.

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/agree 100%

If the last two years have thought us anything, it is simply... "don't force players to pvp who don't want to pvp"... solves a lot of problems for both the players and the devs.

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NewEye wrote:

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Forced non PvP on everyone? Hardly. If a Jedi wants PvP, they can declare SpecForce, and I'm sure they can find PvP quite easily. If they want to be hunted, just stay SpecForce and go about your business, someone will hunt you soon. If a bounty hunter wants to hunt Jedi, go SpecForce and go look for SpecForce Jedi. Simple.

Stupid. If you are SpecForce ANYBODY or EVERYBODY could attack.

The only thing removed is the ability to attack them when they are not prepared for PvP, and the little waypoint saying "target here!" and the payout if you happen to win. And, of course, the flawed system that probably generated more nerf calls, exploits, and developer headaches than everything else in the game combined.

Not prepared? Geez. I must have been lucky to find only full temp Jedi that didn't need doc or med buffs. I got my butt handed to me more than I dished it out. So unprepared? I don't think so. I used to complain that I was a CL80 MCM / MBH with Doc and food buffs and STILL couldn't knock a dent in some of these guys.

The only way player bounties should ever return is as a completely voluntary signup at the bounty hunter mission terminals for people that enjoy being hunted. No 'put on the terms for doing something profession related,' no 'players taking bounties on other players,' and no 'bounties for getting too much negative faction from NPCs.' It should work, everyone touts how much they enjoy being hunted, or how many Jedi they know that will miss being hunted. There should be plenty of signups for prey if it's so fun.

The Jedi that I really want to kill are not the ones "acting true to self". Meaning that Jedi were not running around in starports flashing their sabers. Jedi were known to be mysterious. Jedi were also known to be secretive and mostly in hiding for fear of BEING PERSUED BY A BOUNTY HUNTER. It makes me sick of people playing this game and whining about certain aspects of it that apparently haven't even seen the movies! I became a Bounty Hunter because I WANTED to hunt Jedi. I also NEVER met a Jedi that moaned because I had their mission. THEY EXPECTED IT. So it ticks me off with the majority of Jedi are in favor of keeping player bounties and the select few that don't want it know how to cry loud enough for others to hear. The makeup of a MMORPG is interaction whether that is positive or negative. If you want a game were you feel "safe", go play something you can predict. COMPUTER VS. THE HUMAN MIND

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The movies never showed or mentioned bounty hunters hunting Jedi. As far as the movies go, you only ever got to see BH's taking or working on missions to capture/hunt/kill smugglers, pilots and politicians. They never took a mission on a Jedi, when the Emperor issued order 66, he turned to Darth Vader and his army... he had no need for bounty hunters, he had a sith lord and a galaxy-wide army at his disposal, for crying out loud.

Jedi's knew Bounty Hunters were after them , that is a fact. I am a full temp jedi, but avoided VIS , I have only had 4 BH encounters and I won 3. It was a rush, very fun and exciting. But some dont like PVP, usually the unskilled,and that is ok.As for this being a lost cause to protest or ask for BH PC mission to be put back in, I give you NGE. If they can changes stuff this much, there is no way Iwould believe further tuning isnt coming once this goes live for alot of professions.

So stand guard on what ever issues you want. I would ask anyone to just give this NGE a chance, because playing a MMPG by yourself sorta defeats the purpose.

P.

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Tacola wrote:

Jedi's knew Bounty Hunters were after them , that is a fact. I am a full temp jedi, but avoided VIS , I have only had 4 BH encounters and I won 3. It was a rush, very fun and exciting. But some dont like PVP, usually the unskilled, and that is ok. As for this being a lost cause to protest or ask for BH PC mission to be put back in, I give you NGE. If they can changes stuff this much, there is no way I would believe further tuning isnt coming once this goes live for alot of professions.

So stand guard on what ever issues you want. I would ask anyone to just give this NGE a chance, because playing a MMPG by yourself sorta defeats the purpose.

P.

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Just because you knew that BH's could come after you, didn't make it any less of a forced pvp system... and seriously, there is no way to avoid visibility in the long run unless you want to miss out on all the content in the game. Tell me, how many quests can you do on Mustafar without any risk of gaining visibility? I can think of maybe a handful, but all of the big stuff, the quests you need to do to get to speak with Obi-Wan, the quests in the YT-2400 series, they all require you to do things that would obviously result in visibility. You can't tell a whole profession that they should just miss out on most of the game's content simply because the only option is forced pvp.

And for your information, being skilled or unskilled has nothing to do with how you feel about pvp... I wouldn't enjoy pvp even if I was the "uberest" player in the galaxy. Skill has nothing to do with it, it is about freedom of choice and being able to decide for yourself what you want to do in the game at any particular time and who you do or do not want to play with... it's as simple as that.

My first profession was BH... back in the days when it was the toughest profession to grind, back in the days before mounts, vehicles, player cities, back in the day of 10-minute shuttle waits.

I am looking forward to the new BH profession, especially since it will not be associated with pvp'ers the way it was in the old game.

Have a nice day.

P.S. In case you didn't realize this, a lot of BH's currently are Jedi alts....

Message Edited by pussycat on 11-07-2005 01:01 PM

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pussycat wrote:

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Darka-ce wrote:

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Digitalalchemyzt wrote:

you people are some real idiots who says jedi was not a pvp prof...when you unlocked as in pre cu, you GOT AN EMAIL FROM SOE THAT SPECIFICALLY STATES....okay, for you low brow types..are you ready...okay..are you ready...JEDI IS A PVP PROFESSION IT WAS STATED IN THE HOLOMAIL YOU GOT WHEN YOU UNLOCKED IN PRECU....

now, do my little shchool bus children understand now? thats why people say that.

you got an email stating that it was a pvp prof. fools. you got an email stating it was a pvp prof

sorry guys, theres just some really stupid people on these boards that dont know jack about the jedi prof...

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Incorrect. Only Pre-village Jedi got an email stating that Jedi was "full of dangers". Anyone who unlocked post-CU got ZERO indication in game or email, that it was a PvP profession. Perhaps sir, it is YOU who either need to step onto the bus or learn, FULLY, about our profession.

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1. Did the e-mail say it was a pvp profession, or that it was subject to forced pvp? There is a difference between being a profession that can excel at pvp when and if it chooses, and being one which is basically forced to pvp. 2. As has been stated above, not all Jedi got the same gmail. 3. Regardless of what the devs said, or how they phrased their position regarding the Jedi profession, it still remained a forced pvp profession. That the possibility of forced pvp might have been mentioned in advance does not change the fact that it was forced pvp. Any time that you, as a player, do not get to pvp at the time, place, and under circumstances of your choosing, it is a form of forced pvp.

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It pretty much said if you didnt stay out of sight you would be hunted by the empire and by bh. I'm not sure 100% what it said, but it said there would be consequenses of that sort if seen by the public eye, so yes it did say there would be pvp encounters.