Bounty Hunter Archive

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NewEye wrote:
Yeah but it might show your total disregard for players thoughts and feelings; and hopefully allow you to reevaluate your existence on these boards.

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Ameno wrote:

<DIV>lol, my whole question to this is, where does it say Jedi will be hunted? can you go back to the first announcement of jedi and find me a statement from a dev that says exactly that? seriously, i'm curious about it.  </DIV>
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<DIV>I loved killing BH noobs as much as the next man, but you keep saying "you choosed to be a jedi so you knew what youw ere getting", but i think back, i don't remember seeing that it said anything about having to fight bounty hunters</DIV>
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<DIV>Ah well.. i'll forever be sad that i didn't make my, 100kill 0 lose record, would have gone alot faster if i could have taken the missions on BH myself..but oh well.</DIV>

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<P><a href="http://swg.allakhazam.com/news/sdetail2617.html?story=2617">Clicky</a></P>
<p>That's an interesting link that deals with the first confirmed Jedi initiate in all of SWG, Monika T'Sarn on the Intrepid server. The date of the article is November 8, 2003. There are two reasons I provide this link. First, it's kind of neat for anyone who remembers the early days of the game to see some of the detail they give about exactly what Monika had been up to. At that time, it was still unclear specifically what had do be done, so they went into great detail about the actions of her character. The second reason I include that link is b/c though it is not an official SWG site, it does give us a date to work back from in order to answer if at any time Jedi would not have known they would eventually be hunted by a Bounty Hunter. Another interesting thing to note is one of the last parts of the article. "She is not TEFed unless she USES A SPECIAL, so she can walk around town freely otherwise." This insinuates that a TEF as a Jedi was to be expected. I'll still strive to get you an official SWG clicky though.</p>
<p><a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=jedi&message.id=7723&query.id=11469#M7723">Clicky</a></p>
<p>You'll notice in that link to the Jedi forums, permadeath is already being discussed. The date the message was posted was July 21, 2003. Unfortunately it doesn't mention BH. I'm still looking though. (I'm writing this post as I search, so it might sound strange.)</p>
<p><a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=game_guides&message.id=3858&query.id=12312#M3858">Clicky</a></p>
<p>I just included that link for the 8th post, on the 4th page (I'm hoping that's the page you get linked to anyways), by EricBannon. It's funny to read now, looking back.</p>
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<p>EricBannon wrote:</p>
<p>Look, I understand that not all of you are total geeks, who have been watching this thing be birthed for 3-4 years, but;

RTFFAQ!!!!

or in short read the FAQ people.

The FS slot isnt supposed to be the hard part, just time consuming, and your not supposed to "know" how to repeat it. The HARD part is not getting killed, as you will have to start all over.

Even if you get an FS slot. Who is going to take you on as a Padawan? FS slots do not have any special skills. So unless you can;

A) unlock the slot

B) Live long enough without powers to find a Jedi to train you

C) Complete your training and become a Jedi

D) Treadmill your happy butt to Jedi Master

E) Be 1 of a 20 people per server to do it

Jedi will not be prominent. They will not be everywhere. They will die fast unless they can make the path quickly, and quietly.

But IF they do.... Gonna need 20-30 people to take em on.</p></div></blockquote>
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<p><a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=jedi&message.id=569&query.id=12616#M569>Clicky</a></p>
<p>Okay, in that thread, you should be looking for the second page, 7th post, by Alarcity. I'm not going to quote it, but she posted the current Jedi FAQ at that time. Her post was on July 2, 2003. No mention of BH, and you might notice at the end she says there is no mention of TEFs. So, at that point, BH were not hunting Jedi. However, at that point, there were no PC Jedi. So while it was not there from launch, it still doesn't answer whether the first Jedi knew it.</p>
<p><a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=bounty_hunter&message.id=768&query.id=0#M768">Clicky</a></p>
<p>Hard to tell specifically why they are talking about it, but those guys are talking about BH and Jedi fighting eachother. Posted on July 7, 2003.</p>
<p><a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=dev_archive&message.id=5896&query.id=0#M5896">Clicky</a></p>
<p>Okay, that's posted after people had already started unlocking. Roughly 2 weeks after it seems. Q was already saying that Jedi should keep hidden from BH. I'm not going to keep looking for more posts right away, but I do plan to get to the exact bottom of this. As of right now though, I have official confirmation for someone important that Jedi were just starting to appear, and that they needed to hide from BH. Good enough for me for now. Be back with more later, and hopefully all my clickies worked.

Message Edited by wyzer301 on 11-07-2005 06:14 PM

farked my clickies, so sorry about that.

Message Edited by wyzer301 on 11-07-2005 06:14 PM

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NewEye wrote:

Please don't start quoting the Free Speech Amendment now. All I am saying is that WHEN YOU POST KNOWING IT IS LIKELY TO CAUSE ARGUING IS NOT ACCEPTABLE BEHAVIOR. Please go start your own string with all of YOUR supporters and I will not post there, You are contaminating the BH boards with this nonsense. The BH boards are for BH. I do not go to entertainer boards spouting off about entertainers. YOU ARE NOT WELCOME. If anyone agrees with me please acknowledge by posting. If not, I will resist the urge to argue and just choose to ignore you. Fair is Fair.

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FernGully wrote:

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NewEye wrote:

Please don't start quoting the Free Speech Amendment now. All I am saying is that WHEN YOU POST KNOWING IT IS LIKELY TO CAUSE ARGUING IS NOT ACCEPTABLE BEHAVIOR. Please go start your own string with all of YOUR supporters and I will not post there, You are contaminating the BH boards with this nonsense. The BH boards are for BH. I do not go to entertainer boards spouting off about entertainers. YOU ARE NOT WELCOME. If anyone agrees with me please acknowledge by posting. If not, I will resist the urge to argue and just choose to ignore you. Fair is Fair.

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Hey sunshine, you're the one who quoted board TOS rules in this thread, not me. And you did it TWICE. And you seem to have failed to have read them, yourself.

You're the one who hasn't contributed a single thing to this discussion about the topic of forced PvP, and have only posted wannabe forum-cop stuff aimed at harassing a particular poster.

If you've got nothing to say on the matter, and are just trolling/flaming Pussycat, why not do it via IM and let us discuss the matter at hand.

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pussycat wrote:

QFE

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QFE

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scally wrote:
give it less than 1 hour till she posts in this thread

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atahualpa wrote:

Just give it a rest man. You lost, no more player bounties ever. Deal with it and enjoy the new game or quit.

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you people are some real idiots who says jedi was not a pvp prof...when you unlocked as in pre cu, you GOT AN EMAIL FROM SOE THAT SPECIFICALLY STATES....okay, for you low brow types..are you ready...okay..are you ready...JEDI IS A PVP PROFESSION IT WAS STATED IN THE HOLOMAIL YOU GOT WHEN YOU UNLOCKED IN PRECU....

now, do my little shchool bus children understand now? thats why people say that.

you got an email stating that it was a pvp prof. fools. you got an email stating it was a pvp prof

sorry guys, theres just some really stupid people on these boards that dont know jack about the jedi prof...

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FernGully wrote:

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Cerosis wrote:

Ok, there is no simple way to put this, so let's list off some facts.

Jedi was a PvP class, that being said:

1. Jedi knew before becoming jedi that Jedi Would be hunted by BH(so PvP was "Forced" upon a profession.


2. Jedi knew that said PvP could happen at any time


3. This information was listed everywhere(forums, email recieved early on when jedi first existed when this information wasn't common knowledge that could be located on the forums in multiple places.

So all players knew these facts before becoming Jedi, and if they didn't they didn't pay attention to any warnings given out.

So because all players knew Jedi was a PvP class, and they still chose to become a jedi....

PvP was Never forced on Any Player. It was a consequence of the choice to become Jedi. Nothing more, nothing less.

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Not that this thread is useful in any way, shape, or form, as the milk is already spilt and Jedi Bounties ain't coming back, but lets be clear about some stuff...

Jedi was not always a PvP class.

1) jedi existed in the game PRIOR to the concept of player bounties. Player bounties were added much later. Existing Jedi were grandfathered into it, even tho they had no idea it was coming when they chose to be a jedi.
2) previous to player bounties, saberTEF was very "manageable", in that you were well aware of when you were vulnerable to attack and when you weren't.
3) Knowing the details of how the visibility system works is a relatively RECENT thing. For a long, long time, visibility mechanics were unknown to player Jedi. You can't completely "opt-out" of the Jedi Bounty system if you don't know the mechanics that put you in it.

Still, just as the facts you listed originally, thats really neither here nor there. I don't really see a point to your thread. What if you conclusively prove that players were forced to PvP? Or prove they weren't? What's the difference, really? Is this the prelude to some arguement that the jedi bounty system should be reinstated, as is?

If that's your point, I strongly disagree. The Jedi Bounty system took the game to a very bad place. It pitted two unequal classes of player against each other, which genenrated lots of frustration (most players were not able to maturely deal with it). It promoted lots of hate, griefing, and exploiting on both sides of the fence. That it's been removed from the game is probably the best thing that could have happened for the Galaxies community as a whole.

Message Edited by FernGully on 11-07-200504:32 PM

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Message Edited by ChefRubio on 11-07-2005 11:55 PM