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Thread: Drive on through nothing to see here.

Thassk
Thu Oct 06, 2005 7:27 am
#66











ROFL. You have an answer for everything dont you. Becuase having a droid out all the time is practical right? But of course, you dont care about that.


Moving on.


Even my MBH/CM friends on Farstar admit the template is overpowered considering how easy it is to obtain in comparison to Jedi. What ever happened to the 1.5% stronger BS lol. History. But here we have BH assuming they should be on a par with a Jedi toe to toe.


The only people who WONT admit that the MBH/CM is overpowered are MBH/CM. Your nerf is coming wheter you like it or not becuase everyone but you accepts it's too powerful, and a player should not have to spend trillions on equipement in order to be able to equal another profession in combat.


I have a JK friends and MBH/MCM friends. They can kick the JK ass. Sure the fight is always lengthy, but the outcome is always the same. Wear Jedi mind down and the rest is history. I dont give a rats ass how many BH come one and rant about how we should learn our template, the fact is, I invested WAY more time in reaching my template than ANY BH ever did, and being so underpowered to a specific template is a joke. I wouldnt even mind a fair fight, but at the moment it goes one way always to these guys.


Well no point arguing about it. As I said, a nerf to this profession is only a matter of time.


See you on the battlefield.








well mark my words ... that IF they nerf MCM cuz of whiners .. BH will just pick another FOTM and you will be right back in the front lines with your"nerf" picket signs begging to get that nerfed ..


let me save you a LOT of time and stress and offer you this advice ... LEARN TO PLAY YOUR TEMPLATE AS BEST YOU CAN .. instead of coming here and telling me as a NON jedi i have a template which is built to beat you all the time ( lmao its so ridiculous ).. your just wasting your time ..




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Cutlass-Shadowfire
Thu Oct 06, 2005 7:30 am
#67






Thassk wrote:






Cutlass-Shadowfire wrote:





VegitoSS wrote:

Healing your droid is no bug. Yes bacta spray can heal your droid.






So with my MCM-MBH alt I shouldnt do the attack myself , I should use a Droid and make it a 2 vs 1 attack enviroment , and hopefully have another advantage besides distance, along with the attack at my leisure (usually When the jedi is Busy) and do the usual,


Sit then para


De-buff


De-Buff


Para


Debuff


Then watch his Squirm till he can attack me but by then I am over the short didtance that they can saber throw if they have it.So it turns into an endourance contest or they run off , but since I can heal alot faster than they can I can usually win at that.


I think I agree with an earlier poster , that maybe the paralize should break upon ANY other attack or De-Buff , and use it to heal if needed or run like Stasis is supposed to do.







so why dont you buy a droid too? or buy a tough non CH pet? and have em out watching your back at all times .. anything he does you can do too ...






I was just asking if I shouldnt do it 1 vs 1 and should use a Droid that can obviously be bugged (IMO) and have the 2 vs 1 advantage above the I can attack when I want advantage and if I get Stasised I should have a friendly near by to break the Stais by the /dual bug , thus reducing their skill trees even more, and make them less than what skills I am.


I am also wondering how to pull my driod while in a BH fight , I saw this done 2 nights ago when a Bh ran around a hospital and came back before the Jedi was unrooted with a droid. I think that would help if I run into a Jedi that isnt what I expected when I have to attack fast cause something happened and my cover was blown.


Any Shrugestions to make that happen, I am not a very good BH yet , I respected to it mostly for the Loot ,but dabble to the Players too from Time to Time when the loot slows down or I get frustrated.
Calel_Haven
Thu Oct 06, 2005 7:38 am
#68






Thassk wrote:










ROFL. You have an answer for everything dont you. Becuase having a droid out all the time is practical right? But of course, you dont care about that.


Moving on.


Even my MBH/CM friends on Farstar admit the template is overpowered considering how easy it is to obtain in comparison to Jedi. What ever happened to the 1.5% stronger BS lol. History. But here we have BH assuming they should be on a par with a Jedi toe to toe.


The only people who WONT admit that the MBH/CM is overpowered are MBH/CM. Your nerf is coming wheter you like it or not becuase everyone but you accepts it's too powerful, and a player should not have to spend trillions on equipement in order to be able to equal another profession in combat.


I have a JK friends and MBH/MCM friends. They can kick the JK ass. Sure the fight is always lengthy, but the outcome is always the same. Wear Jedi mind down and the rest is history. I dont give a rats ass how many BH come one and rant about how we should learn our template, the fact is, I invested WAY more time in reaching my template than ANY BH ever did, and being so underpowered to a specific template is a joke. I wouldnt even mind a fair fight, but at the moment it goes one way always to these guys.


Well no point arguing about it. As I said, a nerf to this profession is only a matter of time.


See you on the battlefield.








well mark my words ... that IF they nerf MCM cuz of whiners .. BH will just pick another FOTM and you will be right back in the front lines with your"nerf" picket signs begging to get that nerfed ..


let me save you a LOT of time and stress and offer you this advice ... LEARN TO PLAY YOUR TEMPLATE AS BEST YOU CAN .. instead of coming here and telling me as a NON jedi i have a template which is built to beat you all the time ( lmao its so ridiculous ).. your just wasting your time ..







I have mastered my template. Lets not forget, we dont all have MDef, and MDef should not be a pre-requisite of Jedi. I'd say I'm pretty **edit** hit at PVP now, calm, methodical, but I know I have no chance against MBH/CM whith all the little droid exploits and the insane debuffs they use.


With regards to your comments about building your template to beat jedi all the time: Basically, LOL. Your attitude says it all, you expect to win and you dont think it should be any other way. I'll repeat what I said earlier. It took me 99% more time to get to the stage I'm at than it did for you to become super BH. If you genuinely think you have a right to win all your fights, then you need a reality check. As I said, make obtaining your template the same duration as obtaining a Jedi, and I wont complain. I EXPECT to be better becuase I invested more time. Investment = reward, or at least that's how it shouldbe. But lets not confuse the situation. I'm not even asking to be able to beat every BH I encounter, I'm asking for a more level playing field. Since I've not had a BH come for me in the last month who isnt a CM, I simply class BH as MBH/CM.


One last thing, BH have been crying out for Jedi to be nerfed for years, and they have, so please spare me the lecture about Jedi crying nerf.


If crying nerf is the only way we can get this overpowered template balanced, then I'll be here with my picket signs till it is.



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jdarklion
Thu Oct 06, 2005 7:52 am
#69

I agree.. I hate hunting thru these posts skipping the nerf this and nerf that talk. and it does detract from the main thing of the video. I can only hope that when i start pvp'ing that i am able to apply some of the techniques ive seen discussed with the experienced MBH's like Thassk and Akast and many others too numerous to name.



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Thassk
Thu Oct 06, 2005 7:59 am
#70












I have mastered my template. Lets not forget, we dont all have MDef, and MDef should not be a pre-requisite of Jedi. I'd say I'm pretty **edit** hit at PVP now, calm, methodical, but I know I have no chance against MBH/CM whith all the little droid exploits and the insane debuffs they use.


With regards to your comments about building your template to beat jedi all the time: Basically, LOL. Your attitude says it all, you expect to win and you dont think it should be any other way. I'll repeat what I said earlier. It took me 99% more time to get to the stage I'm at than it did for you to become super BH. If you genuinely think you have a right to win all your fights, then you need a reality check. As I said, make obtaining your template the same duration as obtaining a Jedi, and I wont complain. I EXPECT to be better becuase I invested more time. Investment = reward, or at least that's how it shouldbe. But lets not confuse the situation. I'm not even asking to be able to beat every BH I encounter, I'm asking for a more level playing field. Since I've not had a BH come for me in the last month who isnt a CM, I simply class BH as MBH/CM.


One last thing, BH have been crying out for Jedi to be nerfed for years, and they have, so please spare me the lecture about Jedi crying nerf.


If crying nerf is the only way we can get this overpowered template balanced, then I'll be here with my picket signs till it is.





if you looseMCM/BH 100% of the time as you say.. change your template .... try buying better gear and try different tactics ..... obviously you didnt work 99% harder or longer, if your running around with crappy gear ...... ive owned the game proly the same amount of time you have had it ... just because you AFk kill or grind jedi through spin groups doesnt mean you worked harder or put more time into the game, you just spent your time grinding like a zombie .. where as i was hunting krayts making money ...


if MCM/BH is so good make your alt a MCM/BH and go around with your uber template and see what kind of results you get.. better yet .. i will give you5 million credits .. if you go MCM/BH and post screen shots of8 full templatejedi kills .. which have to be IN sequence IN a row.. so make sure you post your PVP rating update message so we know it was done in order one on top of the other ... if your so confident that MCM/bh is overpowered and so easy to grind you should have no problem grinding this out within a week and showing the screen shots by next weekend ....this also has to be a jedi which is CONFIRMED as not being your friend...


you can lose however many but you need at least 8 kills in a row ...


i bet you wont even be able to kill3 full temps in a row without a few losses in between ....


p.s. and just to clarify this isnt because i think you suck and have no skill .. i just HONESTLY think you have an exaggerated sense of how powerful MCM are

Message Edited by Thassk on 10-06-2005 05:33 PM



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Thassk
Thu Oct 06, 2005 8:22 am
#71







Xoreshear wrote:

A full template Jedi is CL 80 yes? An elite profession is CL 54 x 1.5=81. A BH is a single elite prof and a full template Jedi is greater. Two elite profs do not count as one, even though you may master two. Yes it is a silly game and technically full temp Jedi are 1.5 times greater than any single elite prof.


The reasonsome arevulnerable to MBH|MCM is that many Jedi build for fighting Jedi only which is the bulk of PvP anyway. Wonder why?






not sure what you mean here ... but the devs contend that a CL 80 FULL template jedi is 1.5 stronger than a FULL template regular ... this includes two masters and the double tier dabble ...


as for your other comment thats 100% true .. a BH hunting a jedi these days is prepared .. with the best equipment and experience in PVP ... patch 20 weeded out all the BH not interested in perfecting their equipment and hunting ... so yes jedi these days are fighting against experienced well equipped BH ... again emphasizing my point thats its not template vs template .. but skill + equipment vs skill +equipment .. the only off level factor being that jedi templates by nature are stronger... in other words .. a naked BH with a gun fighting a naked jedi with a saber will get his butt kicked ...


a BH thats equipped and skilled on an equal standing with the jedi also has a greater chance of losing ...

Message Edited by Thassk on 10-06-2005 08:24 AM



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darkrelease
Thu Oct 06, 2005 8:51 am
#72

Thassk check your pm's please



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Thassk
Thu Oct 06, 2005 8:54 am
#73

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trifidac
Thu Oct 06, 2005 9:07 am
#74



VegitoSS wrote:
Healing your droid is no bug. Yes bacta spray can heal your droid.



It IS bugged, you're supposed to be using a droid stim and droids are unkillable right now. I personally don't use a droid but hey I may as well too because almost every solo PVPer I run into has a droid by his side that cannot be killed giving them an upperhand.

Make another video of a MDef with a 700+ dmg LS next time and see how you do.




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VegitoSS
Thu Oct 06, 2005 9:20 am
#75

Once and for all... Healing your droid is not an exploit. I have a video of a jedi fight where I used my droid with a CSR watching the entire fight. One of the jedi friends asked the CSR if healing my droid was an exploit and he said no. I can capture it to a short video clip if you want to see. Healing a droid is like healing your party members. And the droid only hits for 20 points so its not like the droid is doing all the work. A melee droid will hit for more because it wont get hit with the PSG resist. I only use the droid to get a bonus to healing.


Quit crying jedi. Some guy said the debuffs were set to levels of the CU when it first came out. Do you know that jedi had no mind/action cost and could heal every 2 seconds? The debuffs did nothing when the CU came out. Thats why I dropped my template and changed to something else. Now they work I went back to MBH,MCM, Rifles 4000. With tapes I have 275 accuracy without food and 107 speed. More than enough to do the job.



Shoot1st
Thu Oct 06, 2005 11:04 am
#76

My comments are in yellow in response to the post below but first let me give some background on my character's success. I've only killed 6 Jedi (all pre-cu) and as far as I can remember most likely low level paddies. I've pretty much given up hunting Jedi simply because of the loot and money attained from NPC missions. I'm sure a lot of Jedi are happy with that. Truth is that to find a MBH combination has been very difficult for me. I've MBH/MCarbines...MBH/Mrifles...MBH/MPistols (current temp). Mixed in with that I use the obvious CM healing line. Funny though because pre-cu I never needed it. My weapons and armor aren't of the uber variety but I like them enough for the NPC missions. I rarely use AAs or CAs simply because the cost is tremendous even with the money from NPC missions. Quite frankly I am not maxed out on everything to be able to handle a Jedi. I may get them half way down or more in their force but so far I haven't won a battle yet. It may also be the random missions I get are simply too high a level for me to handle with my template, rinky dink armor and weapons. But I don't call for Jedi to become less powerful. I may be disappointed I can't hold my own against a Jedi but I work with what I have. I'm currently grinding out the Force XP I need in case I do decide to flip to Jedi but for now, I'm just a humble MBH.

So as to my response to the post.

"I grined my alt to MBH in less than two weeks. Lets put you through the glowy badges followed by the 18 week vilage followed by the very lengthy FS grind followed by the Paddy trials, followed by the 6 month Jedi grind to full template. THEN you can talk about Nerfs."

First and foremost, Jedi are supposed to be "rare" and harder to attain simply because 1. that's the overall storyline idea 2. the game also tries to promote a community ideology. A community full of Jedi is boring, hence the idea for giving Jedi's ALTs. As far as I understand the original concept, I reapeat, Jedi are not to be easily attainable. If you put it into a roleplaying concept, the Jedi path (or way) is supposed to be hard, lengthy and a choice not made easily. Why d you think they keep trying to instill patience into the Padawans? Quick and easy is the Dark Side of the path. But again, that's the roleplaying aspect of it.

Grinding MBH in two weeks? Wow that's pretty good. Wish I could have done that. Congratz! And I somehow doubt I'll grind out a full template in 6 months. Who knows. Maybe I'll get a 4x XP week.

"So you got rich making your money from all the uber skill tapes you 'easily' obtained from your 'easy' 3 shot kill NPC marks. Good on ya. Why should a Jedi who's been at his template for about a year HAVE to go and play the game day in day out in order to make millions of credits just to be able to stand a chance against a BH who grinded his template in a fotnight?"

I guess one would have to define what rich is. Yeah, I would see 150 mil as rich. That's be nice to have. I admit that some marks are easy, some are not. There were times I'd been incapped even to the point of being slain. I probably did something wrong, not enough damage on my part or my armor crapped out mid way, I dunno. But sometimes those NPCs can be a bit tough but not to the point they are unbeatable. I've never taken a mark down in 3 shots, though that would be nice. Why should a Jedi go through what they do to stand up against an 2 week grind MBH? Read my comments above primarily. Jedi is not really a profession if you think about it. It's a way of life. Jedi don't really contribute (as far as I know) anything to the community other than help others grind or kill tough targets. That's not meant as a slap in the face, but I see a lot of bored Jedi simply because there isn't anything for them to do. That's why many seek war or PVP because they can't craft, cook, entertain or anything. No wonder they itch for new content/expansions. They basically need something to do. Of course, that's why they have ALTs.

But again, the Jedi decision is not to be made lightly, roleplaying or otherwise. It's a tough path; one filled with commitment and patience. If someone complains about it, then maybe they really should look at why they became a Jedi. That might indicate exactly what they want out of this game.

Thanks for reading. I apparently typed more than I intended ROFL. And if I post this incorrectly I apologize but I have to learn somehow LOL

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Korom
Thu Oct 06, 2005 11:42 am
#77






Calel_Haven wrote:





Thassk wrote:






Cutlass-Shadowfire wrote:





VegitoSS wrote:

Healing your droid is no bug. Yes bacta spray can heal your droid.






So with my MCM-MBH alt I shouldnt do the attack myself , I should use a Droid and make it a 2 vs 1 attack enviroment , and hopefully have another advantage besides distance, along with the attack at my leisure (usually When the jedi is Busy) and do the usual,


Sit then para


De-buff


De-Buff


Para


Debuff


Then watch his Squirm till he can attack me but by then I am over the short didtance that they can saber throw if they have it.So it turns into an endourance contest or they run off , but since I can heal alot faster than they can I can usually win at that.


I think I agree with an earlier poster , that maybe the paralize should break upon ANY other attack or De-Buff , and use it to heal if needed or run like Stasis is supposed to do.







so why dont you buy a droid too? or buy a tough non CH pet? and have em out watching your back at all times .. anything he does you can do too ...






ROFL. You have an answer for everything dont you. Becuase having a droid out all the time is practical right? But of course, you dont care about that.


Moving on.


Even my MBH/CM friends on Farstar admit the template is overpowered considering how easy it is to obtain in comparison to Jedi. What ever happened to the 1.5% stronger BS lol. History. But here we have BH assuming they should be on a par with a Jedi toe to toe.


The only people who WONT admit that the MBH/CM is overpowered are MBH/CM. Your nerf is coming wheter you like it or not becuase everyone but you accepts it's too powerful, and a player should not have to spend trillions on equipement in order to be able to equal another profession in combat.


I have a JK friends and MBH/MCM friends. They can kick the JK ass. Sure the fight is always lengthy, but the outcome is always the same. Wear Jedi mind down and the rest is history. I dont give a rats ass how many BH come one and rant about how we should learn our template, the fact is, I invested WAY more time in reaching my template than ANY BH ever did, and being so underpowered to a specific template is a joke. I wouldnt even mind a fair fight, but at the moment it goes one way always to these guys.


Well no point arguing about it. As I said, a nerf to this profession is only a matter of time.


See you on the battlefield.







Seems to me that when the Devs decided the BH v Jedi TEF system was gonna be 1v1, well there has to be some way that a BH can stand toe to toe vs a Jedi or the system is seriously unbalanced. Why would you ever hunt a Jedi if you can't beat him. I know with my MBH/MR template I can't beat defenders, or anyone with aura for that matter. When I only hit 15-20% of the time, you don't really expect me to be able to take out a Jedi that can heal 1500 dmg do you. I mean I do like 500 a shot every now and then, usually its 350 range, and if I only hit 1-5 or 1-8 shots a Jedi isn't gonna care. I can't get states to stick well, or even debuffs like kneecap shot, which really does nothing to a Jedi because the debuff is so low, and root hits only 30% of the time also. 20 seconds for that to recharge so I can use it even if I miss...


If it was not a 1v1 battle then I would say sure, BH should have no way to 1v1 kill a Jedi unless they get really, really lucky, but now that its a 1v1 situation, Jedi cannot expect that they should be able to kill any BH template that comes thier way and still call the game balanced. The rules have changed, BH and Jedi have changed.


Also I've heard Jedi on the forums talking about how a MCM/MBH is just a "good" fight and that if they know what they are doing they can kill them...and that any other template especially ones like mine with no healing in them, have no chance at all against them. They called their fellow Jedi noobs just because they couldnt handle MCM/MBH, and so I think it may not be as bad as some claim...
Digitalalchemyzt
Thu Oct 06, 2005 1:10 pm
#78

and for you who think jedi are the only ones who are saying they have these incredible records that are probably false, youre wrong because it IS probable. on the other hand, jedi are simpler to defeat because most are post cu nowadays with like, 500dps sabers and broken saber speed, no pvp skills and whiny. Not to mention there are no knights in the game or masters. only tags as jedi are all full temp padwans. tags mean nothing, just left over from the previous frs and knight trials so they get no extra bonuses that they used to have. and jedi is just a broken profession.


so. maura/amarantha/mariam=tom is the biggest trash talking bh ever claiming hundreds of kills...90 percent are post cu jedi and she stills avoids the likes of sena or mdntanger on starstrider..two of which i have never seen fall to an mbh.



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