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Thread: FORCE CLOAK, MASTER TITLE NERF NEEDED
FeistySheister wrote:
LMAO!!! Its gonna be mmo KOTOR?? Ahhh...thats too funny if it happens. At least well find out how many variations of the name 'Revan' could possibly exist!
Keep in mind, that's just conjecture based on the evidence, but things do seem to be leaning that way.
Zangar-X wrote:
After reading the responses from my simple post reguarding force cloak, and being insulted by every jedi and their mother, i will /sign this, and hope that cloak gets moved to master and/or nerfed to hell...
For the record: I am an old MBH, fought knights when they blocked all my shots...and I am now a cloak Jedi...no FR2. If the Jedi you fight does have FR2, then he is sacrificing other neccessary skills.
Key is, most of us have little defense...cloak takes up 20 SP...that's 20 SP that could be put in defender, put in sabers, put in enhancer....anywhere to enhance our combat prowess...but instead we choose to pickup cloak.
Why?
because it fits our role...we are not tanks, nor do we wish to be...we hit fast, take out group stragglers so they are watching over their back, and then get out of the way.
We could be considered herders of sorts...trying to keep all the enemy overts together...they leave the pack they die.
I got off track...
anyway, cloak makes a role...it's either an escape tool for low Jedi, used by full templates to be out of sight in places like theed and C-net, and lastly it is used to become the role of the silent killer...fading in and out of the scene.
now on the flip side...you people probably wonder how you combat this..the answer is VERY simple...you all think you need to be in our saber range to keep it off, but that isn't the case....stay 20M-15M from your mark, and he won't cloak ever! will he catch you? only if you don't control his movements...roots and snares are the best tools you have agaisnt a Jedi...it's the ability to make him do what you want...utilize it.
Cloakers may gain a stealth advantage, but we LACK either offense or defense power in exchange.....and normally it is a hit to our defenses.
KyiasLightsun wrote:
ok...I read alot of psots about "cloak is teh suck" so thought I'd throw in my 2 cents...
For the record: I am an old MBH, fought knights when they blocked all my shots...and I am now a cloak Jedi...no FR2. If the Jedi you fight does have FR2, then he is sacrificing other neccessary skills.
Key is, most of us have little defense...cloak takes up 20 SP...that's 20 SP that could be put in defender, put in sabers, put in enhancer....anywhere to enhance our combat prowess...but instead we choose to pickup cloak.
Why?
because it fits our role...we are not tanks, nor do we wish to be...we hit fast, take out group stragglers so they are watching over their back, and then get out of the way.
We could be considered herders of sorts...trying to keep all the enemy overts together...they leave the pack they die.
I got off track...
anyway, cloak makes a role...it's either an escape tool for low Jedi, used by full templates to be out of sight in places like theed and C-net, and lastly it is used to become the role of the silent killer...fading in and out of the scene.
now on the flip side...you people probably wonder how you combat this..the answer is VERY simple...you all think you need to be in our saber range to keep it off, but that isn't the case....stay 20M-15M from your mark, and he won't cloak ever! will he catch you? only if you don't control his movements...roots and snares are the best tools you have agaisnt a Jedi...it's the ability to make him do what you want...utilize it.
Cloakers may gain a stealth advantage, but we LACK either offense or defense power in exchange.....and normally it is a hit to our defenses.
I won't have FR2. My temp just doesn't have room for it. Mpowers/MDef/Healer 3000/Enh0002. Not uber, but seems like a lot of fun in PVE. I intend to take a full afternoon choking every gungan on the faces of Naboo and Rori once I'm done.
JeetBadwarrior wrote:
ummm...you should use tatics other then riding out on your swoop hoping off and trying to shock an awe them to death...very rarely works...your better of stalking your target learn where he goes and doesnt go where he lives where he fly in and out of...you know hunting not waypoint chasing...catch em when there chating them self up with there buddies in the starport if I know one thing to be true in this game most jedi are 1 cretures of habit and 2 have a burning desire to show in starports...and would you people stop CRYING for NERFS
Message Edited by JeetBadwarrior on 07-19-2005 03:54 PM
If you do this then you'll lose the mission cos another half decent bh that flew in and used shock and awe already killed them and got the reward. Moving cloak to master isnt a nerf, its a sensible suggestion, as it is a massively powerful ability when it is able to be used at 20m range, with such a short cooldown and such low force use.
/sign. Master powers - if for nothing but to make pvp less irritating when the entire enemy force you are beating just runs 20m away and disappears.
KyiasLightsun wrote:
ok...I read alot of psots about "cloak is teh suck" so thought I'd throw in my 2 cents...
For the record: I am an old MBH, fought knights when they blocked all my shots...and I am now a cloak Jedi...no FR2. If the Jedi you fight does have FR2, then he is sacrificing other neccessary skills.
Key is, most of us have little defense...cloak takes up 20 SP...that's 20 SP that could be put in defender, put in sabers, put in enhancer....anywhere to enhance our combat prowess...but instead we choose to pickup cloak.
Why?
because it fits our role...we are not tanks, nor do we wish to be...we hit fast, take out group stragglers so they are watching over their back, and then get out of the way.
We could be considered herders of sorts...trying to keep all the enemy overts together...they leave the pack they die.
I got off track...
anyway, cloak makes a role...it's either an escape tool for low Jedi, used by full templates to be out of sight in places like theed and C-net, and lastly it is used to become the role of the silent killer...fading in and out of the scene.
now on the flip side...you people probably wonder how you combat this..the answer is VERY simple...you all think you need to be in our saber range to keep it off, but that isn't the case....stay 20M-15M from your mark, and he won't cloak ever! will he catch you? only if you don't control his movements...roots and snares are the best tools you have agaisnt a Jedi...it's the ability to make him do what you want...utilize it.
Cloakers may gain a stealth advantage, but we LACK either offense or defense power in exchange.....and normally it is a hit to our defenses.
Ridiculous. You can build a very powerful defense/offense template and include cloak. Its not a stealthy killer, its an invisible man suit, as you can activate it too often, too easily, and from too close. Its meant to be a mind trick right? Not actually becoming invisible. How do you explain mind tricking 20 people that are all stood 25 meters away from you shooting you in the face? Stealthy killer my arse, its almost like a god button, 20 meters is nothing. You ever thought to attain the roots and snares you are talking about to control the jedi's range to youthe bh needs to sacrifice a lot of offense/defence ability as well?
RebsBeware wrote:
KyiasLightsun wrote:
ok...I read alot of psots about "cloak is teh suck" so thought I'd throw in my 2 cents...
For the record: I am an old MBH, fought knights when they blocked all my shots...and I am now a cloak Jedi...no FR2. If the Jedi you fight does have FR2, then he is sacrificing other neccessary skills.
Key is, most of us have little defense...cloak takes up 20 SP...that's 20 SP that could be put in defender, put in sabers, put in enhancer....anywhere to enhance our combat prowess...but instead we choose to pickup cloak.
Why?
because it fits our role...we are not tanks, nor do we wish to be...we hit fast, take out group stragglers so they are watching over their back, and then get out of the way.
We could be considered herders of sorts...trying to keep all the enemy overts together...they leave the pack they die.
I got off track...
anyway, cloak makes a role...it's either an escape tool for low Jedi, used by full templates to be out of sight in places like theed and C-net, and lastly it is used to become the role of the silent killer...fading in and out of the scene.
now on the flip side...you people probably wonder how you combat this..the answer is VERY simple...you all think you need to be in our saber range to keep it off, but that isn't the case....stay 20M-15M from your mark, and he won't cloak ever! will he catch you? only if you don't control his movements...roots and snares are the best tools you have agaisnt a Jedi...it's the ability to make him do what you want...utilize it.
Cloakers may gain a stealth advantage, but we LACK either offense or defense power in exchange.....and normally it is a hit to our defenses.
Ridiculous. You can build a very powerful defense/offense template and include cloak. Its not a stealthy killer, its an invisible man suit, as you can activate it too often, too easily, and from too close. Its meant to be a mind trick right? Not actually becoming invisible. How do you explain mind tricking 20 people that are all stood 25 meters away from you shooting you in the face? Stealthy killer my arse, its almost like a god button, 20 meters is nothing. You ever thought to attain the roots and snares you are talking about to control the jedi's range to youthe bh needs to sacrifice a lot of offense/defence ability as well?
lets see....MBH/Master rifles (or carbines) and then 0-0-0-3 pistoleer would give you a root and a snare...
and for the record...I've been taken down by excellent Bh's who know exactly how to do exactly what I mentioned above.
Flug wrote:
This is a petition to have force cloak moved to the master box of jedi, with it any jedi can just grind up to the box needed and have it as a support line, jedi is being beaten about to die oh look im cloaked cant hit me, 5min l8r after he has regened and stuff he comes back with the 1st strike on his side and incaps the bh in a matter of seconds.
If you agrre please /sign at the bottom
Message Edited by Flug on 07-19-2005 03:08 PM
RebsBeware wrote:
KyiasLightsun wrote:
ok...I read alot of psots about "cloak is teh suck" so thought I'd throw in my 2 cents...
For the record: I am an old MBH, fought knights when they blocked all my shots...and I am now a cloak Jedi...no FR2. If the Jedi you fight does have FR2, then he is sacrificing other neccessary skills.
Key is, most of us have little defense...cloak takes up 20 SP...that's 20 SP that could be put in defender, put in sabers, put in enhancer....anywhere to enhance our combat prowess...but instead we choose to pickup cloak.
Why?
because it fits our role...we are not tanks, nor do we wish to be...we hit fast, take out group stragglers so they are watching over their back, and then get out of the way.
We could be considered herders of sorts...trying to keep all the enemy overts together...they leave the pack they die.
I got off track...
anyway, cloak makes a role...it's either an escape tool for low Jedi, used by full templates to be out of sight in places like theed and C-net, and lastly it is used to become the role of the silent killer...fading in and out of the scene.
now on the flip side...you people probably wonder how you combat this..the answer is VERY simple...you all think you need to be in our saber range to keep it off, but that isn't the case....stay 20M-15M from your mark, and he won't cloak ever! will he catch you? only if you don't control his movements...roots and snares are the best tools you have agaisnt a Jedi...it's the ability to make him do what you want...utilize it.
Cloakers may gain a stealth advantage, but we LACK either offense or defense power in exchange.....and normally it is a hit to our defenses.
Ridiculous. You can build a very powerful defense/offense template and include cloak. Its not a stealthy killer, its an invisible man suit, as you can activate it too often, too easily, and from too close. Its meant to be a mind trick right? Not actually becoming invisible. How do you explain mind tricking 20 people that are all stood 25 meters away from you shooting you in the face? Stealthy killer my arse, its almost like a god button, 20 meters is nothing. You ever thought to attain the roots and snares you are talking about to control the jedi's range to youthe bh needs to sacrifice a lot of offense/defence ability as well?
KyiasLightsun wrote:
RebsBeware wrote:
KyiasLightsun wrote:
ok...I read alot of psots about "cloak is teh suck" so thought I'd throw in my 2 cents...
For the record: I am an old MBH, fought knights when they blocked all my shots...and I am now a cloak Jedi...no FR2. If the Jedi you fight does have FR2, then he is sacrificing other neccessary skills.
Key is, most of us have little defense...cloak takes up 20 SP...that's 20 SP that could be put in defender, put in sabers, put in enhancer....anywhere to enhance our combat prowess...but instead we choose to pickup cloak.
Why?
because it fits our role...we are not tanks, nor do we wish to be...we hit fast, take out group stragglers so they are watching over their back, and then get out of the way.
We could be considered herders of sorts...trying to keep all the enemy overts together...they leave the pack they die.
I got off track...
anyway, cloak makes a role...it's either an escape tool for low Jedi, used by full templates to be out of sight in places like theed and C-net, and lastly it is used to become the role of the silent killer...fading in and out of the scene.
now on the flip side...you people probably wonder how you combat this..the answer is VERY simple...you all think you need to be in our saber range to keep it off, but that isn't the case....stay 20M-15M from your mark, and he won't cloak ever! will he catch you? only if you don't control his movements...roots and snares are the best tools you have agaisnt a Jedi...it's the ability to make him do what you want...utilize it.
Cloakers may gain a stealth advantage, but we LACK either offense or defense power in exchange.....and normally it is a hit to our defenses.
Ridiculous. You can build a very powerful defense/offense template and include cloak. Its not a stealthy killer, its an invisible man suit, as you can activate it too often, too easily, and from too close. Its meant to be a mind trick right? Not actually becoming invisible. How do you explain mind tricking 20 people that are all stood 25 meters away from you shooting you in the face? Stealthy killer my arse, its almost like a god button, 20 meters is nothing. You ever thought to attain the roots and snares you are talking about to control the jedi's range to youthe bh needs to sacrifice a lot of offense/defence ability as well?
lets see....MBH/Master rifles (or carbines) and then 0-0-0-3 pistoleer would give you a root and a snare...
and for the record...I've been taken down by excellent Bh's who know exactly how to do exactly what I mentioned above.
Leatherneck_of_Alderaan wrote:
RebsBeware wrote:
KyiasLightsun wrote:
ok...I read alot of psots about "cloak is teh suck" so thought I'd throw in my 2 cents...
For the record: I am an old MBH, fought knights when they blocked all my shots...and I am now a cloak Jedi...no FR2. If the Jedi you fight does have FR2, then he is sacrificing other neccessary skills.
Key is, most of us have little defense...cloak takes up 20 SP...that's 20 SP that could be put in defender, put in sabers, put in enhancer....anywhere to enhance our combat prowess...but instead we choose to pickup cloak.
Why?
because it fits our role...we are not tanks, nor do we wish to be...we hit fast, take out group stragglers so they are watching over their back, and then get out of the way.
We could be considered herders of sorts...trying to keep all the enemy overts together...they leave the pack they die.
I got off track...
anyway, cloak makes a role...it's either an escape tool for low Jedi, used by full templates to be out of sight in places like theed and C-net, and lastly it is used to become the role of the silent killer...fading in and out of the scene.
now on the flip side...you people probably wonder how you combat this..the answer is VERY simple...you all think you need to be in our saber range to keep it off, but that isn't the case....stay 20M-15M from your mark, and he won't cloak ever! will he catch you? only if you don't control his movements...roots and snares are the best tools you have agaisnt a Jedi...it's the ability to make him do what you want...utilize it.
Cloakers may gain a stealth advantage, but we LACK either offense or defense power in exchange.....and normally it is a hit to our defenses.
Ridiculous. You can build a very powerful defense/offense template and include cloak. Its not a stealthy killer, its an invisible man suit, as you can activate it too often, too easily, and from too close. Its meant to be a mind trick right? Not actually becoming invisible. How do you explain mind tricking 20 people that are all stood 25 meters away from you shooting you in the face? Stealthy killer my arse, its almost like a god button, 20 meters is nothing. You ever thought to attain the roots and snares you are talking about to control the jedi's range to youthe bh needs to sacrifice a lot of offense/defence ability as well?
MLS/MDef/0400. Now, do you give up healing, attack speed, or force regen?
MBH/MPistoleer/Carbines 0110/Medic 0020 - Root/Snare/KD (multiples of them/Bleed/great heals with the right BE clothing. Melee Def 180. Ranged Def 195. General ranged accuracy 165.
Neither MLS nor Mdef are required for a good jedi. By suggesting this is what you need you arent a good jedi. Any one of the ls trees plus 0004 is sufficient, and as far as defender goes, 0040, if you have a lot of enhancer for snares and roots to control the BH's range, and have force armour (for the short time you are visible from your cloak) is more than enough. MDEF/MLS/Healer = nub jedi.
Message Edited by RebsBeware on 07-20-2005 05:56 AM
RebsBeware wrote:
KyiasLightsun wrote:
RebsBeware wrote:
KyiasLightsun wrote:
ok...I read alot of psots about "cloak is teh suck" so thought I'd throw in my 2 cents...
For the record: I am an old MBH, fought knights when they blocked all my shots...and I am now a cloak Jedi...no FR2. If the Jedi you fight does have FR2, then he is sacrificing other neccessary skills.
Key is, most of us have little defense...cloak takes up 20 SP...that's 20 SP that could be put in defender, put in sabers, put in enhancer....anywhere to enhance our combat prowess...but instead we choose to pickup cloak.
Why?
because it fits our role...we are not tanks, nor do we wish to be...we hit fast, take out group stragglers so they are watching over their back, and then get out of the way.
We could be considered herders of sorts...trying to keep all the enemy overts together...they leave the pack they die.
I got off track...
anyway, cloak makes a role...it's either an escape tool for low Jedi, used by full templates to be out of sight in places like theed and C-net, and lastly it is used to become the role of the silent killer...fading in and out of the scene.
now on the flip side...you people probably wonder how you combat this..the answer is VERY simple...you all think you need to be in our saber range to keep it off, but that isn't the case....stay 20M-15M from your mark, and he won't cloak ever! will he catch you? only if you don't control his movements...roots and snares are the best tools you have agaisnt a Jedi...it's the ability to make him do what you want...utilize it.
Cloakers may gain a stealth advantage, but we LACK either offense or defense power in exchange.....and normally it is a hit to our defenses.
Ridiculous. You can build a very powerful defense/offense template and include cloak. Its not a stealthy killer, its an invisible man suit, as you can activate it too often, too easily, and from too close. Its meant to be a mind trick right? Not actually becoming invisible. How do you explain mind tricking 20 people that are all stood 25 meters away from you shooting you in the face? Stealthy killer my arse, its almost like a god button, 20 meters is nothing. You ever thought to attain the roots and snares you are talking about to control the jedi's range to youthe bh needs to sacrifice a lot of offense/defence ability as well?
lets see....MBH/Master rifles (or carbines) and then 0-0-0-3 pistoleer would give you a root and a snare...
and for the record...I've been taken down by excellent Bh's who know exactly how to do exactly what I mentioned above.
Then you're not a very good jedi. Cos in that template they have no healing at all, and if you cant kill a stim d only bh that is always trying to stay within 20m of you you arent trying. One of my BH's temps is MBH/MCM/pistols 0004. cm electro drain snare, and pistols root. The root misses once and the jedi is away. If a cloakable jedi truly wants to get away, he will. Unles he is either a) a fool, or b) arthritic.
I'm good with my template, but when a person is caught off guard, it's not like they are at their peak bro...a Fully tmeplated Jedi isn't supposed to be easy you're supposed to catch them off guard...and that's what he did. It helped him that I didn't have force armor running, and he hit me for a great deal of dmg...he had some of the best gear and it payed off, I wouldn't expect to get beat by someone with a mediocore rifle.
It's a matter of tactics, not me not doing my best.