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Thread: BH GETS TO MUCH LOVE BRING BACK THE BALANCE

Romulus76
Wed Oct 19, 2005 6:29 am
#66






oliphontmon wrote:
funny thing is, both of the replies to this post are really from NOOBS, look at your reg dates. pot, meet kettle. granted, it is a whine, but it has some grounds, especially for post CU jedi, but the problem isnt the BH weapons, its the DOTs, which was the reason for the CU to begin with., if anything, dont nerf BH, nerf CM.

/equip flame suit.

bring it on, but you know its the truth.




dude forum reg dates mean nothing, I've been in this game over two years but this accounts reg date is 2005. Doesn't mean jack dude.








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Romulus76
Wed Oct 19, 2005 6:31 am
#67






ScOpEH wrote:

Got another one for ya



Why should a jedi fight a BH if they dont want to?







They don't have to. That's what forcerun is for. Root the bh and run you noob.








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Romulus76
Wed Oct 19, 2005 6:35 am
#68






ScOpEH wrote:

People who have jedi and BH alts will say that BH is over powered and there is no balance as i said according to SOE we are 1.5x stronger but its not the case because most BH's whinned and cried NERF them im not calling for BH's to be nerfed far from it, im calling for the balance to be back





Wrong I have a pre9 rank4 preCU Jedi. Currently MLS-2004 Enhance-4000 Heal-4340 Def. I have an MBH-4440 Carb-4004 CM. Jedi still need to be nerfed in my opinion. The grind is way too easy now. I got almost 800k xp in just under 2 hours the other day on my jedi. Waaaaaaaaay too fast.

BH's are not overpowered, CM may be. But you should be crying in the CM forums not here.








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Thenger
Wed Oct 19, 2005 7:24 am
#69

As I see it, the jedi are still stronger then the BH, it all depends on how smart you are at using your temp and how good you are at pvp. Alot of my fights as of last have been draws where neither one of us can hurt the other, but alot of that goes to the armor I have and that AA's/CA's I put into my stuff. Last time I really got smoked, it was a friendly duel with a Pre-CU jedi with an amazing lightsaber, man he laid it ito me so fast I had no clue what happened.


It's how you play the game and how good you are at the game when it comes to single PvP. If you suck at PvP no matter what temp you have your going to loose most of the time, if not all of the time. This goes for any class in the game.



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freedomwarrior
Wed Oct 19, 2005 8:02 am
#70






BioEngine wrote:

BH vs Jedi is called forced content.



Imperial sees aRebel use Jedi abilities, and reports him. Serves the Empire, gets compensation, while the Empire makes sure that their enemies are dealt with. The only person who would kill someone for money would be a Hunter of Bounties. Jedi are supposed to control themselves. They should know by now the rules of visibility, and adjust their playing habits accordingly. If they don't think it is worth the effort, then they should be prepared for the consequences.








Please forgive me for my lapse of clear knowledge. But would you please tell me someplace in this game where it is possible to grind in secrecy? If this game had about 100 planet, then maybe that would be possible, but with the small number of planets that exists, it is impossible to find such a place, unless you happen to live on a less populated server.





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steveybabes
Wed Oct 19, 2005 8:12 am
#71






ScOpEH wrote:



Dont let BH wear armor as we can't (like the good old days)






funny cant remember innate armour being in a BH template


anywayz the simple truth is this, jedi do suck and my bh cm eats them for breakfast. But the truth is this, If you don't like getting pwned by BHlearn how to get away from a BH or how to kill a BH otherwise do not get a dam jedi. I do hope they give jedi something to deal with BH coz it's boring me seeing all the dead jedi on the floor. I relish the challenge and hope you get what you want but there was 1 thing. If a jedi is 1.5x stronger than a normal proff and it should take 2 people to take you down, If you get your wish and jedi become uber again doesnt that give us the right to hunt you in a group of 2 people? but I bet you would moan about that too.





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Dakarro3
Wed Oct 19, 2005 8:43 am
#72


As I know a few ppl pre9 and later that unlocked Jedi (I decided not to), the combat is not unbalanced....what appears to be unbalanced is the CL at which Jedi can be hunted. The visibilty needs the revamp. If you were a Knight MD/MLS with pre or postCU saber, you can mess up some of the best BH, sometimes win sometimes lose. Just like a BH has to learn his template inside and out to be effective, so do Jedi. With having visability so early on, you have MBH vets huntin 'noob' jedi and personally I dont think that is fair.


Just my $.02


Dak'Lar
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Wed Oct 19, 2005 8:47 am
#73







ScOpEH wrote:


I dont want you nerfed just the balance back no one can get a saber with a max damage over 750 your guns are like 1200not balancedwe have force,mind and action cost no real defence you lot want a challenge then stop crying nerf. i got so nerf for you


Reduce BH damage in all weapons to match jedi

Reduce heal times to match jedi

Give BH a Risk for losing to a Jedi ie the person you took the mission from puts a bounty on your head for failing(happens in the real world)

Dont let BH wear armor as we can't (like the good old days)



If SOE continue the way its going you are not going to have any jedi to fight

Let jedi use mind trick to know if your after them

Instant BAN for a BH if a friend gets involved ie drag spawn, stopping from cloaking


The balance between JEDI & BH is way out of control now and most of you will agree


jedi should be 1.5x stronger but can be soled by anyone it should take 2of you according to SOE


Respect to you all and have a nice day

Message Edited by ScOpEH on 10-18-2005 11:34 PM




What BH tree has healing? Someone please tell me because I have been missing out on another heal



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Thassk
Wed Oct 19, 2005 9:44 am
#74



heres the thing .. you have many less experienced younger playersgravitatingtowards jedi ...you have older more confident players going BH ...


so younger less skilled players ask for nerf to BH's... but what about those skilled jedi, who are just as old and experienced as some of the BH. who are these BH's TRUE friends/enemies and peers ... if BH and other proffessions get nerfed ...those peers of ours are going to be outbalanced compared to us ...


the devs should really have just made jedi EXTREMELY hard to get .. and extremely hard to play this would have kept the more skilled players as jedi .. and we wouldnt have the unskilled non-pvp'ers screamning daily to nerf every single proffession ....


and im not saying im the best PVP'er around ... im just saying .. i am not going to come here with the hopes and determination to sabotage every other proffession out there untill jedi is so ridiculously outbalanced and easy to play the game loses any appeal to older more skilledMMORPG'ers


Message Edited by Thassk on 10-19-2005 09:48 AM



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Methyl
Wed Oct 19, 2005 10:13 am
#75



ScOpEH wrote:
I dont want you nerfed just the balance back no one can get a saber with a max damage over 750 your guns are like 1200not balancedwe have force,mind and action cost no real defence you lot want a challenge then stop crying nerf. i got so nerf for you
Reduce BH damage in all weapons to match jedi
Reduce heal times to match jedi
Give BH a Risk for losing to a Jedi ie the person you took the mission from puts a bounty on your head for failing(happens in the real world)
Dont let BH wear armor as we can't (like the good old days)
If SOE continue the way its going you are not going to have any jedi to fight
Let jedi use mind trick to know if your after them
Instant BAN for a BH if a friend gets involved ie drag spawn, stopping from cloaking
The balance between JEDI & BH is way out of control now and most of you will agree
jedi should be 1.5x stronger but can be soled by anyone it should take 2of you according to SOE
Respect to you all and have a nice day

Message Edited by ScOpEH on 10-18-2005 11:34 PM





First of all i have to say that im a BH and a Jedi so i can see both sides of the story, and there are ways that i would like to see some changes but i have to stay on the earth and see that SOE will never change anything with the weapons or armor cuz that meens that Those changes have to be changed all over the game.

But something i have to say id like to see and a thing that would make the BH proff more fun is IF a BH abort or fail a misson he will get a BH on his head from 1 person and will be on the boards 1 time, and during that time he is not able to take any player misson untill he or she have got killd or kill the bh that came after him or her. So then it will be more like the post above said. It will be more like real life.

There is a easy way to get that done in when u can start to hunt players. just an ide....

When u grind u get X amount of invest xp and with that should be like a "hunting player xp" and when you got X amount like say 10.000 you can start to hunt players. But if u fail a misson or abort a misson you will lose like 1k of that hunting player xp. And if the BH comes under a X amount he cant hunt players. So then he have to grind back that xp in running NPC's missons.

This was just a fast mind boost i hade and there are things that needs to be changed cuz i grinded MBH/MCM in 4 days and then u have nothing to lose only to gain and that is wrong in a way when a jedi is the only one that can lose on a player hunt.

Feed back plz and plz if u dont have something creative to say dont say it at all.



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Getoc
Wed Oct 19, 2005 10:52 am
#76

I play chars on 3 different servers. On one server i had highly effective bh's for pure manhunting.
I dont have a bodycount list or took screenshots of each and every kill to prove what im saying but with highly efficent i mean a really big ingnore list because of childish hate 'conversations'.
On my main server i have a PVE MBH and never hunted a single jedi player ..... as most others i went to the village to exchange xp , did the 'quests' there and got my unlock around 2 months ago. As im a day 1 player and u see how long even with the double xp periods took me to get there its quite clear that im no grinder .
I could have done the hologrind like some of my friends and as we had the same only time i would have mastered all profs pre 9 if i wanted too .
So now finally at last i got my jedi ....... hell yeah but that didnt change the way i feel about grinding at all so after these 2 month i ended up with 3 jedi skillboxes before i got first killed by a BH and lost XP .
After this we had a guildhunt and normally to help the new ones i take my BH char there because with my jedi i cant neither deal damage or tank but this time there were enough level 80's so i hunted with my jedi in a full group and it took around 2 lairs to get the xp back .
I roleplay him, dont grind to get a full template within weeks and i dont have a single problem with getting killed by a Bh .... if im dumb enough to get visibility i deserve to be on the boards. As i use a BH for manhunting on others servers i know both sides now i dont understand whats the problem with u guys ?
Is ure ego to big to be send to the clone center ....... is jedi not ure i win button u thought u would get ....... is it that after a kill u might have to do a couple of lairs again to get ure xp back ?
Getting Xp i so easy these days that ull get it faster back then u can get on the boards even if u wanted to.
I never wanted a jedi for pvp its just my roleplaying toon and its really nice for that purpose .
I had my pvp uber time when i was MRM/MCM and i can tell u slauthering the helpless quickly gets old and annoying and that xcatly where it would lead us if a non pvp orientated player just because of his toon could take on 2 other experienced combat chars.
If u get killed take it like a man u coward ...... and btw a lot of pvping jedis i know are far away from the point saying that they are too weak.
U simply want an i win button thats all no tactics no running not accepting any xp loss without acting like a kid and crying for more power because u want to be as strong as 2 other players as u said ureself.
Jedis like u are getting on the nerves of quite a lot roleplaying jedis, the bounty hunters which u would like to have been nerfed and everyone who could take a beating like a man.

Edit ... this is only adressed to the opener of this threat .

Message Edited by Getoc on 10-19-2005 07:54 PM



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Darka-ce
Wed Oct 19, 2005 12:19 pm
#77


DoctorFett wrote:
anyway jedi and bh are balenced its a little thing that im pretty sure all jedi have called force cloak, you know use the force to haide yourself from the enemy and in the enemies confusion run around them and make them look stupid. then when they least expect it.....................ATTACK!





Many, many things are wrong with this post from DoctorFett. First is the assumption that Jedi and BHs are supposed to be BALANCED. Full Temp Jedi, as stated by the Devs are SUPPOSED to be 1.5x stronger than a CL80. Second, is the assumption that all Jedi have cloak. Third is the assumption that we can attack a BH with cloak. We cannot attack a BH until the BH attacks first, thus initiating the TEF. Finally his use of some childish "look at me" font size and color.

My friend, please do not speak of things which you do not know. As for the original poster's remarks, I say this; He is clearly frustrated and arguably, his frustration is justified. Forgive him if he came here to these forums to vent. It is not that he is truly angry with BHs. He is just angry at what once was a strong profession, is now a laughing stock. Jedi, as a whole, and with the only possible exceptions being pre-CU Jedi with perfect sabers, have become cattle.

It may not be pleasant for some BHs to hear, but there is truth to his remarks. Jedi do not have the max damage nor the DPS that BHs do. In most cases it is HALF of what a BHs with a good rifle can output. Jedi saber speed has been acknowledged by the Devs as being broken. Our sabers ONLY perform at the base speed not the modded speed. Jedi speed CAs are also broken. Jedi (MDEF notwithstanding) do not have the defenses of BHs. Jedi also do not have the healing power of the now standard BH/CMs. One must admit that this is a sorry state for a profession that was STATED to be 1.5x stronger than a CL80.

To anyone who views MY post as a whine, I remind you that I am not complaining. I am merely stating the facts presently. If the truth somehow wounds some BHs fragile "I am uber" egos, I apologize. Lastly, before ANYONE tells me to go post on "my own" forums, check my sig. I have two accounts. I've been BH since Pub 7 and killed more Jedi when BH was hard, than most of you younglings have, period.

Message Edited by Darka-ce on 10-19-2005 03:22 AM





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BarneyIX
Wed Oct 19, 2005 12:32 pm
#78






ScOpEH wrote:


I dont want you nerfed just the balance back no one can get a saber with a max damage over 750 your guns are like 1200not balancedwe have force,mind and action cost no real defence you lot want a challenge then stop crying nerf. i got so nerf for you


Wait a sec don't you still get saber block? You know that skill which blocks ranged weapons of all kinds despite the type of projectile? I haven't fought a Jedi in a LONG time since I left the game Pre CU so maybe this was taken out... I just remember 80% of my shots NOT getting through.


Reduce BH damage in all weapons to match jedi


Fine as long as you make our Min 100 less than our Maximum similar to your Light Sabers and make our damage a special type that negates all of your Jedi Defenses.


Reduce heal times to match jedi

Give BH a Risk for losing to a Jedi ie the person you took the mission from puts a bounty on your head for failing(happens in the real world)


Why? We aren't 1.5X stronger than any other proffession if you want us to be an Alpha class as well as Jedi then I would accpent the XP penalty


Dont let BH wear armor as we can't (like the good old days)


Did you actually play in the old days or just read about it? We had armor several types and macros to switch from an unarmored state, to an armored state, and back again to lessen the HAM hits that were so incredibly high with the first sets of armor. Although you can not wear armor you do get very nice defensive bonuses above and beyond what normal proffessions right?


If SOE continue the way its going you are not going to have any jedi to fight


One can hope I suppose.


Let jedi use mind trick to know if your after them


Why not just give you the "I WIN" button that you want so badly... you could just Mind Trick us to drop dead.


Instant BAN for a BH if a friend gets involved ie drag spawn, stopping from cloaking


Both BH and Jedi are guilty of exploiting this and many other issues and I agree ANY exploiter should be punished PERIOD.


The balance between JEDI & BH is way out of control now and most of you will agree


jedi should be 1.5x stronger but can be soled by anyone it should take 2of you according to SOE


Perhaps if you increased your PvP Skills/Rating instead of your Forum Board Rant/Whine/Troll rating you wouldn't die 1v1 every time.


Respect to you all and have a nice day

Message Edited by ScOpEH on 10-18-2005 11:34 PM





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