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Thread: Using Force Powers While Cloaked...
egazmen wrote:
ShaikeRamjet wrote:
A cloaker should not be able to use any other force powers while cloaked, especially force regen. They can stay perpetually cloaked. The other night, I was in a PvP battle where a cloaked Jedi was using an exploit to attack me while cloaked. If he were not allowed to use any powers while cloaked, this exploit wouldn't happen.
As cloak is, it is way too overpowering. I can track my bounty and as soon as I attack from range, he cloaks and is gone. The jedi then can force regen, pop a bunch of food and hit his Booster Blue... and I no longer have first strike capabilities. It was stated by the devs that what makes a BH able to be 1vs1 with a full temp Jedi is our first strike capabilities. If that is taken away from us... then what do we have?
Bottom line is... a Jedi should not be able to use force powers while cloaked.
wow another noob bh complaining
learn to use the sneaky tactics and learn to catch your bounty of gaurd noobs
Message Edited by egazmen on 07-22-2005 03:08 AM
A Noob BH? Why don't you take a look at my register date fool. I have been a BH since Aug '03. I can stay in the 20m range. The Jedi use Stasis, run out of range, cloak and the force regen. They reengage before the TEF timer is up and then when their force is getting low again, they pull this stunt again. I can't be killed by these Jedi. But at the same time, I can't kill them. They have perpetual force. They can do this indefinitely. I know how to hunt Jedi. Try calling someone who hasn't been playing longer than you a noob.
DivNotDed wrote:
ShaikeRamjet wrote:
A cloaker should not be able to use any other force powers while cloaked, especially force regen. They can stay perpetually cloaked. The other night, I was in a PvP battle where a cloaked Jedi was using an exploit to attack me while cloaked. If he were not allowed to use any powers while cloaked, this exploit wouldn't happen.
As cloak is, it is way too overpowering. I can track my bounty and as soon as I attack from range, he cloaks and is gone. The jedi then can force regen, pop a bunch of food and hit his Booster Blue... and I no longer have first strike capabilities. It was stated by the devs that what makes a BH able to be 1vs1 with a full temp Jedi is our first strike capabilities. If that is taken away from us... then what do we have?
Bottom line is(according to theSWG authority on game dynamics)... a Jedi should not be able to use force powers while cloaked.
How many 1st strikes do you want? I mean isn't the second shot you take no longer the first strike, you already took your first strike. You let the Jedi know you were there, and he/she used a Jedi Mind Trick that allows the weak minded to be spoofed into thinking the Jedi is no longer there. Then the Jedi chose to a) Take off or b) prepare for his/her turn at first strike, which if you think about it is only 2.5 minutes if you are using foods with less than that range then you might want to look at some great post's by your'e fellow BH on food consumption.
So what is so overpowering about a move when not exploited does not allow them to attack you?
Because certain Jedi HAVE figured out a way to attack while cloaked. Not to mention, as stated in my post above, I can stay in the 20m range with no problem. I can tank powers moves all day. The problem is they use stasis, run out of range, then cloak and use force regen as soon as thier force gets low. They can do this as many times as they want giving them UNLIMITED FORCE. They reengage and then as soon as they get low again, they pull this stunt again.
acmtalk wrote:
ShaikeRamjet wrote:
Glingal wrote:
first of all its not an exploit, its a bug, the only way that can happen is from lag (been there done that) it cant be done over and over, its a rare thing. and i guess this is like saying dont use sniper shot while in cover, or dont shoot him while he's rooted....
Yes. It is an exploit because I know people that can reproduce this anytime they want. Maybe you should know what you are talking about before you post. A rifleman can only do a single attack while under cover. Their cover can be broken, cloak can not. Root is a completely different ability than cloak or cover so it doesn't even fit here.
I swear... it seems the Jedi profession is breeding morons. A smart Jedi will come in and leave a good reply and then he's followed by 5 idiots...
Bullshhith!! once the jedi atacks, cloak breaks, you just came with this "exploit" thing so u could get some attention...
Go back to your own Jedi boards and research this. As a matter of fact, the same Jedi that did this to me is in the post I made their admitting to it. Other Jedi know exactly how to do this anytime they want.
2. Cloak isnt a switch you just throw on, there cant be any players or npc:s (of any kind) within 20 meters.
3. With proper use of roots, snares and knockdowns you should be able to keep within 20 meters of your target.
And before you start flaming me as a jedi trolling the bh-forums, I have been a bh far longer then I have been a jedi.
I very rarely have issues with cloakers, simply because usually the target is either grinding or in a city/town.
In both cases there usually is lots of things around preventing the use of cloak.
This allows you to do your first strike from your maximum range and then running in with burst run(parwan ftw).
If the target runs, instantly root/snare or kd.
ShaikeRamjet wrote:
Now read the last few posts... I am capable of staying in the 20m range. It's the use fo Force Stasis, running out of range, cloaking then using force regen. I can not move during this time. They reengage in combat and then when thier force gets low again, they use this tactic again, giving them virtually unlimited Force.
As somebody already mentioned, not every BH template can take on every Jedi template.
If a Jedi template is build for escape with MEnh / Powers x4xx the Jedi spent 117 skill points just to be able to get away. If you dont have enough roots / KDs / Paralyze in your template he should be expected to be able get away easily.
Master Enhancer does not get any powerful attacks for the 89 skill points except a root and a snare, Powers x4xx does not get any attack moves worth mentioning for the 28 skill points needed. The 117 skill points spent on MEnh / Powers x4xx will be missing in either defense, offense or healing abilities. A Jedi is not required to build a tank template and stand toe-to-toe with a BH.
On a last note: Cloak is supposed to break as soon as any attacks are done. There currently is a bug that is exploited by some to be able to attack while cloaked. If you see it, report it. Just because a skill is exploited doesnt mean it needs to be nerfed, it means the bug needs to be fixed.
The only problem with cloak currently is that a cloaked Jedi can assist another Jedi with heals and Force transfers without needing to uncloak. That is an issue, everything else is not.
ShaikeRamjet wrote:
Odd... I have ran into 2 of them in the last 2 days...
The point was that an Master Enhancer doesnt need cloak to get away. He can just stasis you and run off and there is nothing you can do about it.
If he has cloak then thats an option as well, but the end result is the same.
So asking to nerf cloak wont help you a bit with master enhancers, if they wish to disengage they will get away regardless of whether they have cloak or not.
acmtalk wrote:
ShaikeRamjet wrote:
Glingal wrote:
first of all its not an exploit, its a bug, the only way that can happen is from lag (been there done that) it cant be done over and over, its a rare thing. and i guess this is like saying dont use sniper shot while in cover, or dont shoot him while he's rooted....
Yes. It is an exploit because I know people that can reproduce this anytime they want. Maybe you should know what you are talking about before you post. A rifleman can only do a single attack while under cover. Their cover can be broken, cloak can not. Root is a completely different ability than cloak or cover so it doesn't even fit here.
I swear... it seems the Jedi profession is breeding morons. A smart Jedi will come in and leave a good reply and then he's followed by 5 idiots...
Bullshhith!! once the jedi atacks, cloak breaks, you just came with this "exploit" thing so u could get some attention...
No BS, just because you don't know doesn't mean it's BS. I have seen this many times in PVP, it's a bug that is repeatable and being used as an exploit. There are others who throttle their internet connection to cause a brief lag to make themselves cloak witihin a few meter range of you as well.
ShaikeRamjet wrote:
The other night, I was in a PvP battle where a cloaked Jedi was using an exploit to attack me while cloaked. If he were not allowed to use any powers while cloaked, this exploit wouldn't happen.
Message Edited by Erel on 07-22-2005 08:47 AM